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Prosecutor considers action over Tomizawa death

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IT'S NEEDED THERE WAS SO MUCH WRONG WITH SUNDAY'S RACE CONTROL





Prosecutor considers action over Tomizawa death

The prosecutor of Rimini has reportedly launched an investigation into the death of Shoya Tomizawa following the Moto2 Grand Prix at Misano.



According to the Italian ANSA news agency, Paolo Giovagnoli will begin an inquest into the 19-year-old's tragic death in a move that could also see criminal charges being brought.



Tomizawa crashed on lap 12 of the race into the path of Alex de Angelis and Scott Redding, but the race was not stopped as track marshals swiftly stretchered him off the circuit.



However, Tomizawa was then accidentally dropped by a marshal when they stumbled whilst carrying through the gravel.



With an impending autopsy set to reveal exactly what contributed to his death, ANSA says Giovagnoli is considering bringing charges to individuals that are yet to be identified.



The news comes after MotoGP officials defended the decision not to stop the race to allow Tomizawa to receive treatment at the track, claiming they were better equipped to deal with his serious injuries behind the scenes.







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is there a set guide/rule FIM etc that motogp have to follow as regards rider safety.Rider on a track etc ?
 
The prosecutor of Rimini Paolo Giovagnoli will make a short charge of manslaughter against persons unknown



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Oh my god. I didnt realize he was dropped...





Something definitely needs to be done, that race should have been stopped. There were 3 riders on the ....... track, (excuse my french) one of which was dead, i'm sorry but i dont care what ........ track politics they try and get away with, he was dead. Scott Redding was lay hurt in the middle of the track for a long while, and then only moving arms and legs after that, he could have injured his back, moving him straight away without checking him out first could very well have left him paralyzed for all they knew.



The whole situation was handled appallingly and heads should roll for it. Namely Paul Butler's. He should be sacked.





I also have a problem with marshals anyway as of late. In Indianapolis a lot of riders crashed throughout the weekend and it took marshals an age to get to them, if they did at all! There were instances where riders were left to retrieve their bikes without help at all. I could count the number of marshals that were not overweight and actually capable of running more than 5 paces, on one hand. It's disgusting, these people potentially have riders' lives in their hands.



Changes need to be made.
 
The Italians seem to like to want to put people in jail for deaths at races. First the decade long investigation/trial/........, they dragged Adrian Newey through for the Senna death, not this. It's an accident, Nobody is at fault.



They are just trying to make sure when the body was dropped, it played in no part of his death. Clear all Italians of the incident.
 
Is this world INSANE??? Criminal charges???? Although Shoya's death is a tragedy it is hardly a criminal matter. If someone gets charged and convicted over this tragedy THAT would be a bigger travesty, in my mind, than the actions of the trackside medics.



BTW, Barry, how can you possibly think this is a good idea based on all you have said in the other thread?
 
looks like some fresh news on why Shoya was moved asap



The Rimini prosecutor's office (the Italian equivalent of a district attorney, or crown prosecution service) is to investigate the events surrounding the death of Shoya Tomizawa during Sunday's Moto2 race at Misano. The prosecutor is to investigate whether any of the parties involved in the crash can be regarded as culpable for the tragic death of the Japanese rider in any way. Charges of "culpable homicide" (equivalent to criminally negligent manslaughter in Anglo-Saxon law) are being brought against persons unknown during the extent of the investigation.



According to the Italian press agency ANSA, an autopsy is to be performed on Tomizawa to determine whether the fact that a corner worker charged with carrying Tomizawa from trackside to the ambulance slipped in the gravel and fell, dropping the stretcher Tomizawa was on and allowing the Japanese rider to fall on his head, was a contributing factor to Tomizawa's death. The decision to move Tomizawa had been made by one of the medical officials, who had determined that Tomizawa was not breathing and needed to be put on a respirator as soon as possible, which the nearby ambulance contained. The marshalls were charged with moving Tomizawa to the ambulance as quickly as possible.



The investigation will further seek to determine whether medical attention was provided in a timely and adequate manner, and whether the course of action followed was the best one to take under the circumstances. The Italian traffic police have already examined the scene of the accident, as is normal practice for such events.



Kropotkin David





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no excuse for dropping him tbf. they shouldve immediately red flagged the race and seen to the injured riders either on track or off, like they do at bsb.
 
Mick D said:
BTW, Barry, how can you possibly think this is a good idea based on all you have said in the other thread?
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Cos there is so many rumours and unknowns floating around.





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Because folk are saying things like Shoya was dropped off the stretcher, not just that a bearer tripped. And if he did trip or drop did it cause Shoya's death?



Only one way to get to the bottom of that is to have an official enquiry.
 
Mick D said:
Is this world INSANE??? Criminal charges???? Although Shoya's death is a tragedy it is hardly a criminal matter. If someone gets charged and convicted over this tragedy THAT would be a bigger travesty, in my mind, than the actions of the trackside medics.



BTW, Barry, how can you possibly think this is a good idea based on all you have said in the other thread?
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Indeed, but dont you know that someone has to be at fault for every ....... thing that happens in todays society. There are no accidents and someone should always go down. Makes me want to puke.Should the race have been red flagged, yes. Did it cause Shoya's death no. Did dropping him cause his death, 99% no. Even if it did, do you charge a guy with manslaughter for stumbling. This is a dangerous sport, if procedural mistakes were made, correct them and move on. Unlike car racing, there is not much you can do to make bike racing safe, so it is what it is.
 
BarryMachine said:
Cos there is so many rumours and unknowns floating around.





eg.

Because folk are saying things like Shoya was dropped off the stretcher, not just that a bearer tripped. And if he did trip or drop did it cause Shoya's death?



Only one way to get to the bottom of that is to have an official enquiry.
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And if this prosecutor is bent on making a name for him/her self and someone ends up doing time for this you are OK with that?
 
povol said:
... dont you know that someone has to be at fault for every ....... thing that happens in todays society. There are no accidents and someone should always go down. Makes me want to puke.
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My thoughts on our litigious, blame-game society exactly, Pov.
 
I don't think any marshall should face prosecution. They did their job in a way they have been trained and in the situation they found themselves,they acted in good faith. I don't think dropping the stretcher caused anymore harm but even if it did it was an accident that happened in the heat of the moment. I welcome this inquest and hope it is directed at the right people. The marshalls should never have been put under this much pressure to remove the stricken riders in such a hurry that such an accident could occur. I think the golden questions are, were the doctors able to ..... tomi's injures in the right manner before moving him or did they feel under pressure to move him knowing the rest of the racers would be bearing down on them in under a minute due to no red flag. Did the doctors feel safe in doing their job by the trackside. Was the life saving equipment able to be transported to the track, if not why not. These are the questions im hopping will be answered.
 
Mick D said:
And if this prosecutor is bent on making a name for him/her self and someone ends up doing time for this you are OK with that?
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No I'm certainly not. Hence why I attempted to quell the cries of "burn the witch" early.



Just stating it how it is. If enough folk cry "wolf" then there will allways be some "hero" out there to appease them
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The courts and Police types are gunna love this.



Bit late now though ........
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chopperman said:
I don't think any marshall should face prosecution.
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.... me Rog.!!! you were one of the first to cry wolf about the marshals .......... well congratufuckinglations!!! you may get your wish!!
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My dad used to say about guys like you ........" they are allways revving their mouth before they put their brain into gear" ......... its a great saying and a good description of you
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And with all the bitching about Butler ......... do you think he will even get a mention
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If someone cops itover all this ....... guess who it will be ..........
 
BarryMachine said:
.... me Rog.!!! you were one of the first to cry wolf about the marshals .......... well congratufuckinglations!!! you may get your wish!!
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And with all the bitching about Butler ......... do you think he will even get a mention
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If someone cops itover all this ....... guess who it will be ..........
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I still think the standard of marshaling was poor like the chap bringing out the bales with a ... in his gob buts it's hardly grounds for prosecution. Stop trying to misquote me to cause argument. My gripe is with race direction or lack of. ive always stated this . I will however take this opportunity to say again, .... off, im not interested in talking to you !
 
povol said:
Indeed, but dont you know that someone has to be at fault for every ....... thing that happens in todays society. There are no accidents and someone should always go down. Makes me want to puke. Should the race have been red flagged, yes. Did it cause Shoya's death no. Did dropping him cause his death, 99% no. Even if it did, do you charge a guy with manslaughter for stumbling? This is a dangerous sport, if procedural mistakes were made, correct them and move on. Unlike car racing, there is not much you can do to make bike racing safe, so it is what it is.
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Says it all.



Are the crazy fuckers gonna charge Redding and AdA as accessories to murder as well?
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povol said:
Indeed, but dont you know that someone has to be at fault for every ....... thing that happens in todays society. There are no accidents and someone should always go down. Makes me want to puke.Should the race have been red flagged, yes. Did it cause Shoya's death no. Did dropping him cause his death, 99% no. Even if it did, do you charge a guy with manslaughter for stumbling. This is a dangerous sport, if procedural mistakes were made, correct them and move on. Unlike car racing, there is not much you can do to make bike racing safe, so it is what it is.
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If the drop did make this worse in his death, then I could see how charges could be filed. Happens all the time in the US. But it's an accident, the Italian police just don't understand racing and deadly accidents.



Geonerd said:
Says it all.



Are the crazy fuckers gonna charge Redding and AdA as accessories to murder as well?
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Involuntary manslaughter. They contributed to his death, but they did so unwillingly. But under what grounds did they do wrong? They where unable to slow or move out of the way.



Even so, this is a non-story. The Italian criminal justice system is lost when it comes to motor racing.
 
povol said:
Indeed, but dont you know that someone has to be at fault for every ....... thing that happens in todays society. There are no accidents and someone should always go down. Makes me want to puke.
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It is pretty horrible, but look at the other thread on here. it was mere hours after the announcement was made and this place was full of people desperate to label someone resonsible and see someone punished.
 

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