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Pedrosa's Crime against Hayden

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I just had to talk about,
and also see what is being said about, the most
outrageous moment I have ever seen in motorcycle racing
history. I see that there are many angles and diverse
comments about pedrosa's crash of Hayden. It is
always amazing to me to see how people can see the
same incident and have completely opposing views and
everything in-between. It reminds me of politics and
how people see their side as the right one despite
evidence to the contrary. In this case, I can’t
hardly believe that there are people thinking that
this was “just a racing incident.” Perhaps they’ve
never been on the track or only follow racing
superficially to say such an ignorant statement.
Others seem content in saying, “well Hayden should
have been racing better” or “He has been losing points
due to poor performances.” Perhaps these people are
not aware of the points formulas of winning a
Championship, but its basically an accumulation of
points. So for Hayden to be leading the championship
is a straight mathematical result of consistently
excellent performance, rather than a lack of effort
as some are implying. Those commenting
on the response to Hayden’s reaction saying he
should stop “whining” have certainly not worked for a
lifelong dream only to have it crushed, at the threshold
no less, of almost realizing that dream. What would have
been your passionate or lack there of reaction in
similar circumstances? There is certainly a lot of
blame to go around, but the most outrageously ludicrous
of the comments I have read so far, are the ones that
amazingly lay some of the blame on Hayden. That would
seem to me an equivalent of blaming a victim of
robbery that it was their fault for being robbed. By
saying, well they should have been more careful, or it
is their fault for having things that thieves covet.
It is outrageous to an infinite degree. I think
volumes could be written as to why Pedrosa was to
blame for his foolish sabotage upon the outcome of the
MotoGP championship. In the long list of offended
persons, the first victim is Hayden. All of the blame
should be placed on pedrosa. He was not racing
prudently, he was not being a team player, and his
flagrant absurdity resulted in him endangering the
life of Hayden. This is not a racing incident!!! This
is criminal. The only appropriate response by the
MotoGP authority would be to suspend him immediately
pending a thorough investigation. The Repsol Honda
team should fire him immediately for conduct
unbecoming of a teammate and lack of professionalism.
And other MotoGP teams should not consider hiring him
for the above mentioned reasons. Pedrosa should be
sued by those race fans in attendance that paid good
money and were deprived of witnessing a straight up
racing battle between the championship points leader
and the reigning champion. All the racing fans around
the world were also cheated, by pedrosa’s now infamous
madness, of seeing what should have been a historic
racing battle. To see it any other way is simply
irrational and dishonest regardless of who you support
in the championship.
 
like maybe i should have sued schumacher when he crashed into damon hill and stopped him winning the F1 championship? or maybe people shouldnt be so keen to sue at the drop of a hat these days.. really pisses me off.

of course people are going to have differing views on what happened. i dont disagree with some of your points here like hayden being upset at how close his is to realising his dream but i dont think its right to accuse pedrosa of sabotage. i really doubt somehow his intention was to make hayden crash.

but i really must disagree with your statement that anyone who views it any other way is being dishonest. everyone is entitled to their own views of this matter just the same as you are.
 
Was it Dani's fault? Yes. Was he wreckless and irresponsible? No. Did he do it on purpose? You must be joking. Should he be suspended? "Racing Incidents," as this one was, are not taken so seriously by the FIM. Should he be fired by Repsol Honda? Yeah... fire the three time world champion and the most promising rookie since Valentino Rossi.

I'm as big of a Hayden fan as they come but some of the stuff you are saying is ridiculous. It was a racing incident, end of story. Nicky and Dani will move on to Valencia and prepare for the race in the same manner that they would have if this whole thing never happened.
 
First of all welcome... I can see that it is your first post to this forum and you have decided to write a long view on your beliefs. FYI... I too joined the forum yesterday, wrote a long opinion, with facts mind you and caught hell for it... so don't take it personal.

Bottom line, it was a racing accident. No one could predict it happening but it did. Nicky needs to just prep up for Valencia just alike all the other riders. As his first and foremost objective, he needs to win. Where Valentino finishes is beyond his control.

One thing I will say though... If Nicky wins the championship, do you think based on his post race interview, will he be gracious as a champion? I think it will somehow be tarnished because he didn't act like a professional to recieve the championship. It's all up for you to decide.
 
I agree with your reasoning but cant agree with your punishment. Yes, Dani did rob the world of the best motorcycle racing battle of my lifetime but I am sure he will think twice before he tries a ....... move like that again. Especially in a situation like that. IMO Dani should be punished my the team so that he knows that this behavior is not and will not be tolerated!! Thats it though. Let the team or Honda handle it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Oct 18 2006, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Was it Dani's fault? Yes. Was he wreckless and irresponsible? No. Did he do it on purpose? You must be joking. Should he be suspended? "Racing Incidents," as this one was, are not taken so seriously by the FIM. Should he be fired by Repsol Honda? Yeah... fire the three time world champion and the most promising rookie since Valentino Rossi.

I'm as big of a Hayden fan as they come but some of the stuff you are saying is ridiculous. It was a racing incident, end of story. Nicky and Dani will move on to Valencia and prepare for the race in the same manner that they would have if this whole thing never happened.

what Ooostin said... +1
 
You say "Was he wreckless and irresponsible? ""No. "" I’m amazed. If anything, this is perhaps the best characterization of how pedrosa rode his bike on Sunday. Did you pay attention to what Roberts said in his post race interview? He said (paraphrasing), he wanted to give Rossi ample space when racing for the lead so as not to endanger the championship outcome. This is from a guy who is not even on the same team as Rossi, and is a compatriot of Hayden. Yet he had the presence of mind at 150 miles per hour plus to realize the magnitude and importance of the race and the professionalism he should approach while competing and battling for the lead. Pedrosa should have had even more care on the track than Roberts for his teammate. Which logically leads me to believe that he was “wreckless and irresponsible?" Did you not listen to the commentators calling the race? Even they were stunned by pedrosa's lack of prudence and professionalism on the track in regards to his teammate. They commented on Edwards' and Rossi's "harmony" but had no such kind words for pedrosa's on track professionalism.

As far as not firing him on the grounds of his transgressions because he has been successful on the track (3 time champ); well, that seems to be the exact rationalization that allows pro athletes to operate with immunity despite their wrecklessness and irresponsibility. What a great response you will have when your kids look to you for integrity. "Well, it’s ok to be irresponsible son, as long as your team wins." Punishments is not only there to deter but also a statement of principle.

As a three time champ, it is even more baffling that pedrosa would try to put his bike in a space where there was none. A crystal ball is not needed to predict the outcome of such a foolish move. I think it is a fair assessment to infer something about his character. In this case, it was reckless and irresponsible. I had previously enjoyed watching pedrosa race because I saw that he is aggressive. Lots of talent is wasted on some of these awesome riders that don't have that aggressive edge, however, aggressiveness when not combined with prudence turns into childish wisdom with tragic consequences.

Perhaps he did not intend to sabotage the championship. However the effect is the same. Severe negligence is many times equivalent to purposeful intension. When a minor gets in car and drives recklessly and causes tragic damage in an accident, perhaps one can make the case that the minor did not "intend" to do it, but his irresponsible actions should be seen as such. I would think you might see it this way if you were the one injured. Would you say this is a "driving incident" or would you be more inclined to say it was an incident caused by irresponsible reckless negligence? Think about this seriously for a moment. It bears repeating, would you say this was a "driving incident"?

Perhaps there is no legal standing to sue somebody for this, and I don't think this would be the appropriate response in this particular case. But to quote one of the responses, it sure "pisses" me off that someone can drive negligently and have those unaffected arrogantly chalk it up to, "thats racing". That makes as much sense as calling the above example as "well that minor's driving." Is that what you would call it if you were the one rearended by a teenage driver haulling ... into you?

Well that is what pedrosa did. He is a professionally trained racer and a champion at that, therefore, it further leads me to believe that he was: reckless, irresponsible, and negligent.

I have no doubt that Hayden will bounce back. He has been tested before and has always answered the call.

No offense to anybody. I appreciate your response. Some of the best people I've met in my life and friends are motorcycle riders. That you are passionate about bikes already makes you kindred spirit. I enjoy reading what you have to say, even if you're wrong. (joking)
 
Im sorry but your comments are boadering idioticy and your comment saying Fire Pedrosa what are you talking about?!? Sorry but Pedrosa is gonna REPLACE HAYDEN next year as number 1 rider

Also your sueing thing is stupid people in america AND Canada sueing everyone is what ruins so much.

Example Track events (car and motorcylce) in Canada and America are so safety concerned aka 1 person on the track at a time, you go off the track shut down the track and wait till you get going you need a race suit for some events motorcycling in vancouver no modified exhuast because the nearby housing will SUE for noise etc etc..

Because of this I hated driving/motorcycle track days in Canada and USA for your average person SUCK so much because of INSURANCE and fears of SUEING I moved to Japan, Japan track days for cars you have a Helmet Okay people wanna drift people wanna grip go ahead spin off the track? Just pull back on track when its safe

Also did you forget that Hayden did the same thing to Pedrosa the lap before pushing him off line. As well if Hayden is so good why can't he just win the title next year?? Oh wait he WONT I will print my text out and eat it if he even wins the next race.. Quote me on that
 
I'd just like to say remember to respect other people's opinions even if you disagree. Keep it healthy and don't let things turn ugly
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Oct 17 2006, 11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I just had to talk about,
and also see what is being said about, the most
outrageous moment I have ever seen in motorcycle racing
history. I see that there are many angles and diverse
comments about pedrosa's crash of Hayden. It is
always amazing to me to see how people can see the
same incident and have completely opposing views and
everything in-between. It reminds me of politics and
how people see their side as the right one despite
evidence to the contrary. In this case, I can’t
hardly believe that there are people thinking that
this was “just a racing incident.” Perhaps they’ve
never been on the track or only follow racing
superficially to say such an ignorant statement.
Others seem content in saying, “well Hayden should
have been racing better” or “He has been losing points
due to poor performances.” Perhaps these people are
not aware of the points formulas of winning a
Championship, but its basically an accumulation of
points. So for Hayden to be leading the championship
is a straight mathematical result of consistently
excellent performance, rather than a lack of effort
as some are implying. Those commenting
on the response to Hayden’s reaction saying he
should stop “whining” have certainly not worked for a
lifelong dream only to have it crushed, at the threshold
no less, of almost realizing that dream. What would have
been your passionate or lack there of reaction in
similar circumstances? There is certainly a lot of
blame to go around, but the most outrageously ludicrous
of the comments I have read so far, are the ones that
amazingly lay some of the blame on Hayden. That would
seem to me an equivalent of blaming a victim of
robbery that it was their fault for being robbed. By
saying, well they should have been more careful, or it
is their fault for having things that thieves covet.
It is outrageous to an infinite degree. I think
volumes could be written as to why Pedrosa was to
blame for his foolish sabotage upon the outcome of the
MotoGP championship. In the long list of offended
persons, the first victim is Hayden. All of the blame
should be placed on pedrosa. He was not racing
prudently, he was not being a team player, and his
flagrant absurdity resulted in him endangering the
life of Hayden. This is not a racing incident!!! This
is criminal. The only appropriate response by the
MotoGP authority would be to suspend him immediately
pending a thorough investigation. The Repsol Honda
team should fire him immediately for conduct
unbecoming of a teammate and lack of professionalism.
And other MotoGP teams should not consider hiring him
for the above mentioned reasons. Pedrosa should be
sued by those race fans in attendance that paid good
money and were deprived of witnessing a straight up
racing battle between the championship points leader
and the reigning champion. All the racing fans around
the world were also cheated, by pedrosa’s now infamous
madness, of seeing what should have been a historic
racing battle. To see it any other way is simply
irrational and dishonest regardless of who you support
in the championship.

are you going to sue padrosa then ?
 
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Man oh man! Then all Rossi Fans are gonna have to sue Elias for Jerez. And Michelin for China. Bring on the lawyers!!!!! heehee!!!
Dude it's ok to be passionate about something but everyone's entitled to their opinion. I hardly think Dani dropped it on purpose. He seems neither vindictive nor the kind to want to win at all costs. In any case he had absolutely NOTHING to gain by putting himself and Nicky out of the race. It just happened. Get over it!
 
Thats pretty funny stuff.................

I think people forget that there are more than two riders racing, the fans WERE treated to one of the best races of the season, Elias VS Rossi VS KRJR
 
the lads in moto gp who came up through the 125 and 250 ranks are well used to a bit of "bar bashing" here and there. riders like rossi biaggi capi ect are well used to very close racing, gibbers and hayden on the other hand did not come up through these ranks. when elies took rossi out which could have destroid rossis championship,did rossi go ape ....,no he concidered it a racing incedent, padrosa raced like he always raced in the lower classes,get through anyway you can.
now i understand why some people think this is dangerious,all motorsport is.
imagine what it would be like if there were 40 motogp starts like the 125s.
if that happened in the first corner no one would say anything.
motogp is close racing and there will always be racing insidents,the last thing the sport needs is some do-gooder wanting to sanitize it.
sorry to rant, i respect all points of view,this is mine
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Oct 18 2006, 05:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'd just like to say remember to respect other people's opinions even if you disagree. Keep it healthy and don't let things turn ugly

Damn right!

I agree partly with the first poster, but! it was a racing incident. However that doesn't mean that Hayden should brush it off and stop whining. When was the last time something like this has happened in the premier class? Nicky has every right to be upset! things have gone beautifully his way for most of the season and unless he makes a big jump up in performance, he may never get an opportunity like this again in his whole career. Its not fair for people to simply just say "Ahhh! stop whining, things like this happen all the time" The thing is, THEY DONT! somefolks need to be abit more sensitive to Hayden!

And Elias taking out Rossi doesn't even compare to what happened last week.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (krazy91 @ Oct 18 2006, 05:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sorry but Pedrosa is gonna REPLACE HAYDEN next year as number 1 rider

Pedrosa was already the no1 rider, he had the best bike, Hayden did not! sorry had to pick you up on that. Hayden has pretty much been the development rider all year! IMO
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Isn't it amazing the amount of new posters that have come along since sundays race and moaned their heads off about this incident?
If you guys are trying to wind us up you're succeeding. If you can't see the accident for what it was then please go back to the I love Hayden website and let us get on with it.
 
You might want to take it on the newbies please ... they're opinions are as welcome as anyones.

this will all die down soon enough.
 
IMO it's good that people get so passionate about it. Only Pedrosa knows the answer to that one and he's the one who has to sleep at night if what people suspect is true, it will be a pivotal moment in Pedrosa's career.....a long remembered incident. If Pedrosa is as successful and controversial as MS in F1 then we should see some amazing races in future. It all makes the MotoGP Pot much more interesting. If he hadn't taken out his team mate would we still be talking about it ?(unless it was Rossi obviously ha ha).

The more the merrier that's what I say as long as it doesn't turn into a personal point scoring debate and slagging each other off then everyone's opinion is welcome!
 

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