Pedrosa chassis woes

Was dovi suffering from the same head shaking, if not it might point to pedders weight being dimissed by honda engineers as no longer important for development.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Talpa @ Apr 22 2010, 05:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dani, it seems, is very unhappy with his 2010 mount from the big h. Bodyweight may be his issue, but suffering 300kmph speed wobbles and a lack of bike balance certainly provides him a great excuse for his unusually 'terrestrial' start to the season....

'it gives me no chance of winning, the bike is .... to ride!'

The on board camera mounted on his rear fairing gives clear evidence of the mighty midgets claims, showing the rc212 shaking all over the track.

Big h engineers are not blaming the shift from Showa to Ohlins shocks for this season, citing that they are trying to build a more user friendly bike and have failed-so far.......

Once again IMO highlighting the importance of not developing the bike around one rider, ducati seem to have finally learnt but the big wheels at Honda are taking a little longer to turn.

So the rider is probably more important than the bike? Dear, dear… Has Yamaha's strategy in focusing on great riders (and developers) and adapting the bike paid off? No doubt! Poor old Big H, hope they learnt the lesson by now!

Obviously great Riders need a winning bike too!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Apr 22 2010, 08:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So the rider is probably more important than the bike? Dear, dear… Has Yamaha's strategy in focusing on great riders (and developers) and adapting the bike paid off? No doubt! Poor old Big H, hope they learnt the lesson by now!

Obviously great Riders need a winning bike too!

Well Pedi probably has about the best power to total-weight ratio on the grid - That would explain his lightning start ability. Apart from that I'm not convinced that he's such a "great Rider". Dovi certainly doesn't appear to be having any problems with either handling, acceleration or topspeed. Maybe Pedders should take up drag-strip racing.

'it gives me no chance of winning, the bike is .... to ride!'

What is the source for this quote, would like to read the whole article/interview.

Kharma, that contract with the devil must have expired.

Lets look at the facts. Only one rider is able to ride the Honda. Everyone else is completely uncomfortable on the bike. The results state that Honda haven't changed one bit no matter how many quotes come out of Honda.

Dani supposedly can't ride the bike b/c of the flex of the bike is completely different if I've understood things correctly.

The new Honda has a really tall swingarm, and as MotoLiam opined, this is the increase the stiffness of the bike along the verticle axis. In other words, the taller longer swingarm is meant to handle more weight at the back end of the bike without flexing.

I remember hearing on Eurosport that Pedrosa likes the suspension relatively soft b/c he can transfer weight bias backwards and forwards by applying the throttle or the brakes. I've heard the same thing about Melandri as well. So if they like to transfer weight backwards and forwards, but the swingarm is designed not to transfer load along the vertical axis, there is going to be some problems.

Furthermore, I think I remember reading that Pedrosa also like that bike to have a lot of lateral stiffness which caused problems for Nicky. If I'm not mistaken; however, Ducati and Yamaha bolt the swingarm directly to the back of the engine to lengthen it and give it more torsional flex. If Honda have copied this handling attribute, it means Pedrosa is like a fish out of water on the new bike and none of his set up data is useful.

Imo, the Pedrosa situation is down to the tires. Bridgestone said Pedrosa would suffer as a result of switching to Bridgestone. At the time it appeared that Yamada might be making a vindictive remark, but now that the Honda is designed to work with Bridgestones, it looks like Yamada was simply stating the obvious.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Apr 22 2010, 09:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lets look at the facts. Only one rider is able to ride the Honda. Everyone else is completely uncomfortable on the bike. The results state that Honda haven't changed one bit no matter how many quotes come out of Honda.
Honda is just plain broken; I don't know if they ever will change .  I get the impression that internal politics plays such a huge role in daily decisions that functional management is no longer possible.  Any company that would leave The Evil One to run it's MotoGP team for so many years is clearly not making rational decisions.   

They got rid of Puig, maybe, sort of, but who or what will replace him?  Given the corporate environment, will that person have a hope in Hell of doing any better?  Maybe Livio can bring some common sense to the party, but will it be enough?  Will anyone even listen to him?   Don't hold your breath!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Apr 22 2010, 09:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Honda is just plain broken; I don't know if they ever will change .  I get the impression that internal politics plays such a huge role in daily decisions that functional management is no longer possible.  Any company that would leave The Evil One to run it's MotoGP team for so many years is clearly not making rational decisions.   

They got rid of Puig, maybe, sort of, but who or what will replace him?  Given the corporate environment, will that person have a hope in Hell of doing any better?  Maybe Livio can bring some common sense to the party, but will it be enough?  Will anyone even listen to him?   Don't hold your breath!

And to think they basically run MotoGP via the MSMA

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ptk50 @ Apr 22 2010, 06:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Maybe Pedders should take up drag-strip racing.
good one

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Apr 22 2010, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And to think they basically run MotoGP via the MSMA
So true

No sooner are the words out of my mouth.

Pedrosa to Test Stiffer Chassis

Okay.. now we need a conspiracy theory that connects Honda to the
volcano - which is allowing them time to manufacture extra chassis
and swingarms in time for the next race.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Apr 22 2010, 05:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Okay.. now we need a conspiracy theory that connects Honda to the
volcano - which is allowing them time to manufacture extra chassis
and swingarms in time for the next race.

Can't help you. I only engage in conspiracy theory (aka common business practices) when they are true.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Apr 22 2010, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No sooner are the words out of my mouth.

Pedrosa to Test Stiffer Chassis
Credit where credit is due. Nice one

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Apr 22 2010, 08:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Credit where credit is due. Nice one

No need to recognize, I just like to gloat.

Keep in mind that I'm relaying information from the real geniuses. I'm just a conduit........oh the irony

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Apr 23 2010, 07:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No need to recognize, I just like to gloat.

Keep in mind that I'm relaying information from the real geniuses. I'm just a conduit........oh the irony

Nice catch, but next time, why not use the same words as the geniuses. Your description of the situation about a swingarm designed being longer and stiffer to take more load but not designed to take weight transfer made little to no sense. In other words, why transform all news into a section of the lex-files?