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Oh here we go again, rossi want V4 engine

Wow sour grapes or what?
IMO he's reacting the way that Biaggi did when he couldn't win races, its the bike never the rider, its known Vinales has issues temprament wise when the bike won't do what he wants it to do, but he's not a whinger like Rossi, Old fart.
 
Theo said:
Wow sour grapes or what?
IMO he's reacting the way that Biaggi did when he couldn't win races, its the bike never the rider, its known Vinales has issues temprament wise when the bike won't do what he wants it to do, but he's not a whinger like Rossi, Old fart.
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I don't know about that. Maverick was super on the Suzuki, super on a Moto2, super on a Moto3, and super on the first iteration of the Yamaha (he destroyed everyone, really). Zarco also doesn't have temperament issues, and now he's struggling to make the top 10.
 
RCV600RR said:
I don't know about that. Maverick was super on the Suzuki, super on a Moto2, super on a Moto3, and super on the first iteration of the Yamaha (he destroyed everyone, really). Zarco also doesn't have temperament issues, and now he's struggling to make the top 10.
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Every time I see Vinales face its either sad/sour, or happy, theres a world of difference between the two.
 
Theo said:
Every time I see Vinales face its either sad/sour, or happy, theres a world of difference between the two.
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He might be expressive, but I don't think his performance on any other bike suggests that his temperament is an issue. It seems that the current Yamaha is a temperamental bike.
 
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I don't get the feeling that Yamaha is quite on the level of Ducati and Honda when it comes to development. every week, Honda and Ducati are coming out with new components, frames, swingarms, etc. why Yamaha is not really doing much, or at least its not being talked about.
 
RCV600RR said:
He might be expressive, but I don't think his performance on any other bike suggests that his temperament is an issue. It seems that the current Yamaha is a temperamental bike.
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The Yamaha has been pretty average for a few seasons now, compared to the Honda and Ducati their development seems ultra conservative.
 
pyeman said:
Give him whatever configuration he wants,he'll still get his arse handed to him by Marquez every race weekend.
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Piefuck is an expert at getting his arse handed to him.
I even wrap it up nicely every time I do that.
 
RCV600RR said:
He might be expressive, but I don't think his performance on any other bike suggests that his temperament is an issue. It seems that the current Yamaha is a temperamental bike.
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If memory is right, many of the issues seemed to occur or at least appear with the tyre changes of last season as MV was simply destroying the field (MM included) early on, then tyre change and then the issues arose with MV and seemingly were further exacerbated for VR.

Certainly there has to be something with the bike, but one also has to wonder if it is something simple that is missing rather than a complete and full redesign as to change to a V configuration will then bring with it, a full redesign of every aspect which will likely then mean further time to bring things to speed. I mean, Lorenzo was turned around by the fuel tank solution on the Ducati so could it genuinely be something simple that either has not been found or not believed?

IMO here, but a change to a V configuration sounds like a dummy spit frustrated reaction which generally does not work out well in a short term
 
Gaz said:
If memory is right, many of the issues seemed to occur or at least appear with the tyre changes of last season as MV was simply destroying the field (MM included) early on, then tyre change and then the issues arose with MV and seemingly were further exacerbated for VR.

Certainly there has to be something with the bike, but one also has to wonder if it is something simple that is missing rather than a complete and full redesign as to change to a V configuration will then bring with it, a full redesign of every aspect which will likely then mean further time to bring things to speed. I mean, Lorenzo was turned around by the fuel tank solution on the Ducati so could it genuinely be something simple that either has not been found or not believed?

IMO here, but a change to a V configuration sounds like a dummy spit frustrated reaction which generally does not work out well in a short term
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Keep in mind, none of the actual quotes from Rossi say that “He wants a V4”.
They are more like “Honda and Ducati learned how to make friendlier power delivery like Yamaha. Maybe a V4 will make us competitive again, I don’t know”.

But as usual, the mouthbreathers here read what they want to read.

Anyway... Considering that they have more experience than Rossi on V4, V5 and in-line 4 engines, we definitely should take their opinion over Rossi’s.
 
synn said:
Keep in mind, none of the actual quotes from Rossi say that “He wants a V4”.
They are more like “Honda and Ducati learned how to make friendlier power delivery like Yamaha. Maybe a V4 will make us competitive again, I don’t know”.

But as usual, the mouthbreathers here read what they want to read.

Anyway... Considering that they have more experience than Rossi on V4, V5 and in-line 4 engines, we definitely should take their opinion over Rossi’s.
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My comment is a general comment as I have seen this same story reported under two headlines (1 x Rossi wants a V4, 1 x Yamaha looking at V4).

To me, making decisions based on frustrations rarely, if ever end well as decisions of this nature need to be well considered and to throw out the history , data and skills of an I4 would need to be very well considered first
 
I agree with Gaz in that the problems seemed to have cropped up post the tyre changes. With that being said, it would suggest that the problem may not necessarily be solved by huge change like a total alteration of engine config and may well just be a series of 'tweaks'. Having said that, I don't for a second want to come across as saying that it would be easily solved, quite the opposite. Just that they had a winning package that went off the boil following a known change, so that, at least gives a starting point.
I realize that they would be working on this anyway, but opening up a European test program is a good place to start and is, unfortunately a bit behind the other big manufacturers.

I also agree with Synn's take on what Vale said, in that Vale was just saying about how the other manufacturers have made a friendly power delivery system, not "I WANT A V4, NOW!!!!"
Given that the most obvious woe for the Yam's is acceleration/getting the power to the black stuff, it's a pretty fair statement.
 
McZee said:
I agree with Gaz in that the problems seemed to have cropped up post the tyre changes. With that being said, it would suggest that the problem may not necessarily be solved by huge change like a total alteration of engine config and may well just be a series of 'tweaks'. Having said that, I don't for a second want to come across as saying that it would be easily solved, quite the opposite. Just that they had a winning package that went off the boil following a known change, so that, at least gives a starting point.
I realize that they would be working on this anyway, but opening up a European test program is a good place to start and is, unfortunately a bit behind the other big manufacturers.

I also agree with Synn's take on what Vale said, in that Vale was just saying about how the other manufacturers have made a friendly power delivery system, not "I WANT A V4, NOW!!!!"
Given that the most obvious woe for the Yam's is acceleration/getting the power to the black stuff, it's a pretty fair statement.
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He does have form though as the OP implied, having very definitely asked for a V4 last time a Ducati rider was faster than he was on a Yamaha, although it was only one rider then as opposed to two now.

As I have said, I don’t think vesting everything in a rider who is rising 40 and whatever crew chief he can find who will continue to stroke his ego is a smart choice by Yamaha, certainly not in the short to medium term anyway. I am
happy for Rossi to be out there enjoying still being vaguely competitive at what he loves doing as seemed to be the case when he first returned to Yamaha in 2013, but not with all the continuing manipulation and whinging on the assumption that he is still the rider he was in his heyday, I don’t believe his current course/attitude is in the Yamaha factory team’s best interests other than perhaps for sponsorship benefits, and his obvious deep resentment of a competitor who at his current age of 25 is probably at least as good as Rossi was in his heyday when he was 25 himself is rather unedifying.
 
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michaelm said:
He does have form though as the OP implied, having very definitely asked for a V4 last time a Ducati rider was faster than he was on a Yamaha, although it was only one rider then as opposed to two now.

As I have said, I don’t think vesting everything in a rider who is rising 40 and whatever crew chief he can find who will continue to stroke his ego is a smart choice by Yamaha, certainly not in the short to medium term anyway. I am
happy for Rossi to be out there enjoying still being vaguely competitive at what he loves doing as seemed to be the case when he first returned to Yamaha in 2013, but not with all the continuing manipulation and whinging on the assumption that he is still the rider he was in his heyday, I don’t believe his current course/attitude is in the Yamaha factory team’s best interests other than perhaps for sponsorship benefits, and his obvious deep resentment of a competitor who at his current age of 25 is probably at least as good as Rossi was in his heyday when he was 25 himself is rather unedifying.
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In my opinion Marquez is a far more talented rider than Rossi was in his heyday and will go on to eclipse him in titles,i've never seen anyone with the reactions that Marquez possesses,the guy is a freak on a motorcycle and i wish he had been able to race Stoner on the same bike,another hugely talented rider,i agree that Yamaha shouldn't be pandering to Rossi at his age as he's all but finished and has no chance of another world title,they'd be better off accommodating Vinales and building a machine around him,these days Rossi only excels at selling t shirts and baseball caps and 1 off helmet designs to come 7th or 8th.
 

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