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Noyes on Electronics Motogp,BSB.Wsbk.etc

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Dennis Noyes looks at how electronics aids have changed the game in MotoGP and other roadracing series and what some are doing (and what some aren't) to fight back.

Dennis Noyes | Posted September 06, 2011 Hoopeston, IL



In 2012 the British Superbike Championship will run without traction control, without launch control, without auto-blipping, without closed loop fueling, without anti-wheelie and without anti-jerk -- without all the electronic strategies intended to increase efficiency and (arguably) rider safety. All have been axed.



This was not done hastily or without wide consultation. The use of a standard ECU has been tested for the last two seasons (2010 and 2011) in the EVO class, a 1000cc racing category that shared the two-tiered grid with full-blown BSB Superbikes. The decision, reached by BSB technical authorities under the direction of Stuart Higgs, was taken after discussions with British Superbike teams and input from outside consultants.



I have been following all this for several months, hopeful that the leaders of Europe’s leading national Superbike series would have the courage to the make rule change that 80% of fans recently replying to a Motorcycle Sport magazine (Great Britain) poll have said they want at the Superbike level.



Even as recently as the USGP at Laguna Seca, Higgs, present as an FIM steward, would not go on record as saying that TC would be completely banned. There was a proposal to allow some sort of 'safety net' TC that would react to sudden wheelspin but would not be informed by any form of inclination input. The idea behind the proposal was to maintain safety standards similar to those in place in '11 in the British Superbike class and to avoid possible litigation in case a rider, accustomed to traction control from past seasons, were to suffer injury due to a crash that would have been avoided by electronics.



The final decision, however, was an outright ban on traction control and the success or failure of this move could have far-reaching influence on other national championships. And those who favor an electronics ban in World Superbike will also be keeping tabs of the quality of the racing in the BSB in 2012.



MotoGP fans who support a ban on TC should not get their hopes up, however, because the manufacturers have made it abundantly clear to Dorna that they are determined to continue development of electronic rider aids in the premier series and that a ban like the one that will be in effect in the BSB next year would make them have to reconsider their involvement in the series -- a stern warning to Dorna in a series that has only 17 machines on track at the start of most races this season.



lots more to read page 1/4



http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-noyes-notebook-broke-dumbing-down-or-wising-up-pt-i/
 
Most production bikes now have TC etc as standard equipment so its strange that now a production based race series wants to ban it!
 
I'm ambivalent towards traction control. Pro rants and con rants can be written by anyone who understands how the system works. Pro rants would outline the safety aspects, and the entertainment aspects (the system gives everyone similar throttle control skills). Con rants would highlight the unsporting nature of TC systems.
 
I just hope everyone remembers this when comparing this generation against older generations of racers. It's probably much easier to be more precise on the bikes when the riders aren't doing as much. Not to take away anything from the current crop of riders because they are still the best with what they have. They say we don't see as many mistakes during a race because these guys train more and are that much better but the human factor is getting taken out of the racing so of course we aren't going to see as many mistakes.
 
I just hope everyone remembers this when comparing this generation against older generations of racers. It's probably much easier to be more precise on the bikes when the riders aren't doing as much. Not to take away anything from the current crop of riders because they are still the best with what they have. They say we don't see as many mistakes during a race because these guys train more and are that much better but the human factor is getting taken out of the racing so of course we aren't going to see as many mistakes.



Very good point.



And as far as comparing generations, there is a pretty big grey area I imagine as was pointed out in this article. Exactly when did the NSR500 etc get TC? At what point did it become any good?
 
Oh yeah... MOST bikes at yer local dealer now come with TC eh? Not even at the Aprillia dealer is that true you knob!

Yea,there are a few bikes that offer traction control, but its far from 'most'. " Most" bikes dont even have ABS, much less TC
 
kill all the electronics!!.. make'm run carburetors!
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BSB has some tight racing already. It's ultra competitive and one of six guys could win at any race. I love the thought of seeing these guys going at it with minimal help from the bikes electronic brain box. Jonathan Palmer thinks we are gonna see bike racing in its purest form. Lap times may be a bit slower but won't it be nice to see thesoe dudes sideways and wrestling a superbike around a track.
 
BSB has some tight racing already. It's ultra competitive and one of six guys could win at any race. I love the thought of seeing these guys going at it with minimal help from the bikes electronic brain box. Jonathan Palmer thinks we are gonna see bike racing in its purest form. Lap times may be a bit slower but won't it be nice to see thesoe dudes sideways and wrestling a superbike around a track.

Are you deliberately trying to make us feel worse?
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Oh yeah... MOST bikes at yer local dealer now come with TC eh? Not even at the Aprillia dealer is that true you knob!



Knob?, righto ........ most sports bikes in a few years will have TC as standard Happy now?
 
Knob?, righto ........ most sports bikes in a few years will have TC as standard Happy now?

Not really... caught your inaccurate broad generalisation and didn't like it? I could go with, "most sportbikes at the high end of the litre class and some elite 600s" though. The market won't support the cost of TC across the board... ...., anti-lock brake penetration in the bike market is slim.
 
which 600?get your .... straight before mouthing other people off....message before accuracy in any case....



edit : also ,i really don't agree about abs brakes...try to buy a s1000rr or fireblade from the local dealer, most will have abs fitted
 
I thought the "in a few years" part was implied... And I'll stand by abs penetration in the motorcycle market being slim... Higher in the sportbike class absolutely but still slim overall.
 
I think that as of next year all new large displacement bikes in Spain, and Europe must be equipped with ABS as standard. For a few years now there has been bikes such as the GSXR 1000 with different mapping systems. My Aprilia Dorsoduro 750 has 3 different maps and is ride by wire. The new 1200 does have traction control. It's a matter of time, and very little time at that, before the statement of "most" is true.
 
I know this is a racing forum but you gotta realise sport bikes are only a segment of the motorcycle market. Looking at the entire spectrum of motorcycles available "most" in relation to TC ain't gonna happen soon. In regards to ABS, maybe, if government regulators get their bumbling fingers into things... Let's hope they let us turn off the ABS if we feel like it.
 
I do like the engine maps we are starting to see and I think it would get more people into bikes if some of the sport bikes would come with a beginner setting that limited hp to 40-60. Some guys avoid bikes because they don't want to start out on 250, 500, or something else that looks ugly- kanatuna. Then there are people who get the bike they want and completely destroy it.
 
First bikes I saw with ABS were Goldwings about 8 years ago. Here in Europe, as I mentioned, the gov regulators have made this mandatory. I don't know if deactivation will be possible, but I hope so! This law is obviously to increase security. I'll be willing to bet that in the same time frame TC will be much more common on large displacement bikes and the gov regulators will decide to make a new law. If it is not safety, it will be in place to reduce fuel consumption and emissions. I



Hawk- What you write about is possible and done on a lot of bikes here in Spain, and most of Europe. New riders must be limited 32 cv. for the first 2 years. There are "limiting kits" to reduce hp to 32 cv. Some are electrical and some mechanical depending on the bike. Here in Spain this is documented work that goes along with the bikes license. What happens most time is that the new rider will take his first ride to the mechanic to remove the limiting kit once the bike is registered. So, having the option to have a beginner tuned bike is not something the average 20 year old male really uses...
 

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