New Rules for 2013

Keep single tire supplier but increase choice of compounds, all of which should drop off predictably at the end.

Lift all fuel restrictions and allow unlimited fuel.

Eliminate major (not all) rider aids, traction control, wheelie control, launch control, etc. to pre-2006 standards.

Limit displacement to 1000cc, but lift all other engine requirements.

Mandate a minimum rider salary and require league to revenue share TV income.

Eliminate two tier system of rules for entires such as CRTs vs Prototypes, one or the other.

Institute the Nicky Rule (see Kropo for an explanation).

Imo, it would have been practical to bore limit the sport back when they were using the 800s. A modest bore limit (e.g. 76mm) could have relieved some of the expenses related to fuel limiting. Mitigating the impact of the fuel limitations could have taken pressure off of the tire manufacturers to do everything necessary to raise corner speed. The tire war could have been continued, and Kawasaki and Suzuki could have been spared, imo. The only purpose of the 800s was to reduce top speed and horsepower. Somehow that mission was lost in the bicker-fest that broke out in 2007 as the new formula destabilized the sport.



As much as I dislike the fuel limitations for ruining the racing, the manufacturers have made it clear that they want to continue fuel-limitation as a means of controling the performance of the bikes. I wish the teams were given a fuel allocation per season, and the teams would decide how much of their allocation to use at each round. The amount of fuel and engines would depend upon the historical performance of the manufacturer over a given period of time. The technical regulations would be liberalized, and the tire war would be reinstated.



The reality is that the manufacturers are bored, Honda particularly. They need a real challenge. They have already agreed to a similar system for 2014 by running prototype electronics at 20L against spec electronics at 24L. I don't really see this arrangement as equitable or beneficial for the sports brand identity. I'm not sure Dorna's horsepower-limited entertainment fest is going to attract new manufacturers who want to compete against Honda and Yamaha within a single rules system. They could broker a much better deal, imo.

First lift restrictions on Moto2 to allow engine suppliers back in. Then using moto2 as the base make motogp 600cc as well but with no limits on using turbo's, forced induction or whatever else people might think of such as KERS, two strokes, direct injection etc etc.



Too much energy is wasted in a 1000cc four stroke. Less fuel is a boring solution to making them efficient, using the energy lost in exhaust would be more interesting and useful for development. If a future fuel crisis is inevitable, motogp could be the testing bed of hybrid engine tech, not simply fuel conservation and electronic management.



Bring back the tire war.

Jumkie said:

Keep single tire supplier but increase choice of compounds.

Lift all fuel restrictions and allow unlimited fuel.

Eliminate major (not all) rider aids, traction control, wheelie control, launch control, etc. to pre-2006 standards.

Limit displacement to 1000cc, but lift all other engine requirements.

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Hmmm, pretty much what Jumkie has said but with a couple of omissions.

And the addition of: 1) Machine must a minimum and maximum of 2 wheels. 2) No exotic metals. (with a definition of exotic)

This is Prototype racing. The rule book pertaining to the "machine" should be about 4 pages long.

The Engine section should read: Engine free. Limited to 1000cc.

Pretty much the word "Free" should appear many times in the "Machine" rule book.



I know this would then become cheque book racing, so in the interest of longevity maybe have a budget cap! (How would this be policed? I dunno! This is a fantasty question, I don't have ALL the answers!)

- Have said for a while that the choice of compounds should be increased as should tyre sizes (if a manufacturer wants to play, let them). In addition (and this is only if CRT are seen as the way of the future - my opinion there is known) I would open up the tyre supplier to allow them to develop for any CRT bike thus increasing competition and possibly competitiveness.



- Would increase away from competition testing for all riders but have it included in the season's engine tally



- reintroduce multiple compound wet weather and intermediate tyres

Mandate 500s. The factories will have to drag them out of their museums or risk getting flogged by some Swissies.

Four strokes...the crappiest idea foisted on us.

you guys sure you want another tyre war?

i always thought that the better the performance of the tyres ,the more restrictions we will see on horsepower,corner speed gets higher and the racing crappier.

power has to get bigger relative to the grip provided by the tyres

Where'd this theme that high corner speed = crap racing come from??

Why was the preAprilia dominated 125 racing so good? Cornering and relative parity of power. All the 500 guys begged for edge grip.

FFS bikes are about going around corners.

That's the fun, and the challenge for riders and engineers.

Single tyre rule narrows development opportunities.

Simple pull out all the 2005/2006 bikes, lock the rules, have Bridgestone develop tires for them, let'm rip!

The control tire must die.

Keep a standardized compound (or set of compounds) if you like, but allow/mandate a wide variety of carcass characteristics, including custom builds. (But no overnight specials for the Yellow Clown or Golden Boi.)



IMO, this will do more to get more riders up to speed than any other single change. (Remember some dude named Elias?)



Got chatter? Rather than spend untold millions on swing-arm, chassis, and shock mods, just drop in a different tire. Even w/o chatter, a variety of tires will greatly simplify chassis development. If Ezzy really wants the CRT crapwagons to compete, give them tires they can use out-of -the-box.







Beyond that...

Bird's turbo suggestion sounds fun, but 600cc will be WAY too much. The 1500cc F1 grenades made 1500++ HP at god-knows how many PSI of boost (probably around 90). As much as I'd like to see one, a 700HP MotoGP bike is not remotely practical. Will need to limit the pressure ratio. 500cc at 4 bar and 12000RPM is about 300HP



Free engine configuration. This might invite other manufacturers to enter the the circus. Allow Triumph to run a 3 cylinder if they like. Or a Guzzi twin (with another few cc or PSI of boost, perhaps.)



Screw fuel capacity limits or delivery rates.



Every Monday following or Thursday preceding a race is a free test day. No or very limited fly-away testing during mid-season. More value for the fans and lowered expenses for the teams.



Limit electronics to basic moon-shot protection. No corner-by-corner torque mapping, no anti-wheelie, etc. The programmers can amuse themselves writing code to optimize the turbo's power characteristics.



Oh yea, fire that ....... ..... Ezzy!

I like the testing idea. Very simple, but easily beneficial.

barbedwirebiker said:

I like the testing idea. Very simple, but easily beneficial.

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+1



That's a really good idea. When I first started watching I assumed they did this, was shocked to find out otherwise.

Weight: 150kg

Fuel: Pump Gas

Engine: 1000cc - conventially aspirated.



Other than that, run what you brung.

Geonerd said:

IMO, this will do more to get more riders up to speed than any other single change. (Remember some dude named Elias?)



Got chatter? Rather than spend untold millions on swing-arm, chassis, and shock mods, just drop in a different tire. Even w/o chatter, a variety of tires will greatly simplify chassis development. If Ezzy really wants the CRT crapwagons to compete, give them tires they can use out-of -the-box.

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The tire war could be fun if the manufacturers were each allowed to homologate a certain number of tire variants. Instead of supplying teams under contract, they would take orders before each round. Certain riders and manufacturers would gravitate towards a certain preference, but limiting the number of homologated tires would make it more difficult for one tire manufacturer to gain an absolute advantage. Furthermore, we wouldn't have to listen to the riders and teams whine about whether or not they are getting the good stuff. The tire manufacturers would also have a constructors championship similar to the manufacturers championship.



I don't have any idea how such a plan could be administered or made safe, and I don't know if it meets the manufacturers marketing objectives (tire or bike), but it could be fun.

bluegreen said:

+1



That's a really good idea. When I first started watching I assumed they did this, was shocked to find out otherwise.

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+2.



What was the rationale behind dropping Thursday out of the race weekend??

mylexicon said:

The tire war could be fun if the manufacturers were each allowed to homologate a certain number of tire variants. Instead of supplying teams under contract, they would take orders before each round. Certain riders and manufacturers would gravitate towards a certain preference, but limiting the number of homologated tires would make it more difficult for one tire manufacturer to gain an absolute advantage. Furthermore, we wouldn't have to listen to the riders and teams whine about whether or not they are getting the good stuff. The tire manufacturers would also have a constructors championship similar to the manufacturers championship.



I don't have any idea how such a plan could be administered or made safe, and I don't know if it meets the manufacturers marketing objectives (tire or bike), but it could be fun.

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Nice one. The thing that concerns me about all this is how far into the distance is BS in MotoGP tyre tech? Similar to the whinge from BMW about Yammie and Honda, would anyone dare put their corporate pride on the line?

After this many years with one tyre manufacturer, can the genie be shoved back in the bottle?

(Another reason to hate the tyre rule)

Dr No said:

+2.



What was the rationale behind dropping Thursday out of the race weekend??

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Thursday is generally used as a charity day for riders for health, It give joe public the chance to meet their hero's.

Or stalk in Jums case

I'm relativley new to the sport but didn't know they have run on the thursdays.

The testing Idea is a good one however when in europe and there are two weekends back to back I don't think the logistics for the teams getting there would be possible unless the two tracks are pretty close to each other,

But the monday and tuesday where there is a week off after would really work.

And make it worth having a week away instead of just a weekend

mylexicon said:

The tire war could be fun if the manufacturers were each allowed to homologate a certain number of tire variants. Instead of supplying teams under contract, they would take orders before each round. Certain riders and manufacturers would gravitate towards a certain preference, but limiting the number of homologated tires would make it more difficult for one tire manufacturer to gain an absolute advantage. Furthermore, we wouldn't have to listen to the riders and teams whine about whether or not they are getting the good stuff. The tire manufacturers would also have a constructors championship similar to the manufacturers championship.



I don't have any idea how such a plan could be administered or made safe, and I don't know if it meets the manufacturers marketing objectives (tire or bike), but it could be fun.

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That is the best Lex idea in a long time, personal sponsorships is going to be a problem and there will be a quick and natural migration to exclusivity, if you could make it work though...



It would never work with VR on both Michelin and Bridgestones competitive ads.