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New RC211V

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The hot rumor has it that Honda will show up with an all new RC211V for Brno. It is still unkown what all the changes will be and who will get the bike. Gibernau, Biaggi, Hayden or all the Honda riders? I think we will see the new RCV in the garages of Gibernau and on one side of the Repsol garage, whether it is with Hayden or Biaggi I don't know.

My question is, with the revival of Gibernau at Sachsenring and Hayden's much improved performance over the last five races will a mightier RCV be what they need to dismount Rossi from the top step of the podium? If the rumor becomes reality and there is a newer, all mightier RCV than already exists for the HRC men Rossi may not see the top step as often. The riders have been improving in the last few races, barring Melandri, and this may be the boost they needed to win races regularly.

I'm not saying Rossi's reign is going to end, he will continue to win races and will win the title. But I do believe that he may not win 80% of the races anymore. We may see Hayden atop the box again, Gibernau win, Biaggi and if the satelite riders get the new spec RCV Barros and Melandri challenging for wins on a regular basis and Tamada flying in Japan.

If HRC really does have a "Rossi Beater" spec RC211V waiting in the wings in Japan, the second half of the season may look vastly different than the first.
 
Sounds believable since they were running the new chassis on Biaggi and Sete's bikes. I hope it works out...as entertaining as this season has been this far..it could actually get even more exciting...
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I would love to see more races where the out come is unknown. Rossi always on top tends to bore me at times. Mixing it up a bit and having other riders challenge is always more fun!
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Bring on the Rossi beater i say!!!

And the young guns Pedrosa, Vermeulen and hopefully Kiyonari!!! the sooner the better!!

Also Hoppkins needs a Yam or Honda too.
 
Ooost ive just thought of something. Is this guna be like last year when they brought out that new RC211V chassis and nothing happened? Remember the hype about '7 RCVs at Motegi to bring Rossi down? including Tohru Ukawa on the prototype RCV? Look what happened there, only one beat him, and that was Tamada on a satelite RCV.

Also do you think Motegi is a 'Bridgestone' track? and that were guna see Bridgestone front runners or even a Bridgestone winner at Motegi this year? Who have we got on Bridgestones? Suzuki- cant see Hopper n Roberts up there with the Suzukis lack in power. Ducati? maybe?
 
I think the new RCV will be much faster than the '05 spec RCV that Ukawa rode at Motegi last year. Ukawa, IMO, has never been much of a rider and his success was due to the RC211V. The RCV he rode at Motegi, to my understanding, just had a few adjustments to the chassis with no mods to the powerplant. I think the new spec RCV engine slated to make 270+ bhp along with the Phillip Island test spec chassis should be a very powerful combination.

I do feel Motegi is a Bridgestone track and Hopkins went very well there last year until he was t-boned with Capirossi. I think he has a shot at his first podium when they make their way to Japan. If Tamada comes good with the Michelins he will be very hard to stop, especillay if he gets a hold of this new "Rossi Beater" spec RCV.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drill @ Aug 2 2005, 02:19 AM)<div class='quotemain'>Hope the tyres are up to coping with the extra power-remember Nakano?
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Ohhh I remember Nakano...
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(Sorry Im .......izing this thread!!)
 
tell me plz as i may b stupid but r we all watching the same races this year?
1 post says how good is rossi, well do all of u think rossi HAS earnt his wins this year or has it been rossi so easy? cus 1 he has a slow horse power bike compaired to honda and 2 he hasnt made a a start so he cuts through the field and wins, that tells me hes had to earn it just like last year apart from making sum starts..
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rossi 46 winner @ Aug 2 2005, 03:51 PM)<div class='quotemain'>tell me plz as i may b stupid but r we all watching the same races this year?
1 post says how good is rossi, well do all of u think rossi  HAS  earnt his wins this year or has it been rossi so easy? cus 1 he has a slow horse power bike compaired to honda and 2 he hasnt made a a start so he cuts through the field and wins, that tells me hes had to earn it just like last year apart from making sum starts..
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No doubt at all ,its just if viewing figures pick up and tv coverage improves
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,then we dont want to hear the "it`s a bloody procession not a race" remarks like F1.We`ve avoided it so far ,so fingers crossed....my shillings worth anyway!!
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I think Rossi has earned at least half of his victories this season. Some were just horrible runaway wins but the past few races have been teriffic.
 
He's earned every race win he's gotten this year. What I am trying to say is that with a better bike than the Honda boys already have they may be able to win races more regularly.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rossi 46 winner @ Aug 2 2005, 11:51 AM)<div class='quotemain'>tell me plz as i may b stupid but r we all watching the same races this year?
1 post says how good is rossi, well do all of u think rossi  HAS  earnt his wins this year or has it been rossi so easy? cus 1 he has a slow horse power bike compaired to honda and 2 he hasnt made a a start so he cuts through the field and wins, that tells me hes had to earn it just like last year apart from making sum starts..
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Actually, to my understanding, since Burgess has ripped apart the M1 and redone it, and the way they have it dialed in to Rossi's "style", if you will, there's really not much advantage if any with the Honda anymore. I have read that the specs are quite similar for power output, with the M1 being at only a slight disadvantage and that the M1 is actually even more nimble than the honda.

Having more horsepower also means nothing if you can't put it on the ground. What i mean is, having a 250HP bike vs a 240 HP bike isn't always a good thing for the more powerful one if they can't make that power hook up at the rear wheel, which is entirely the battle in GP these days as far as the bikes go, imo; Who can make the most efficient use of the power that is given from the motor. who can make their rear tire stick to the ground and keep the front wheel planted.

Rossi is undoubtedly the best racer and i'm not taking that away from him. I'm also not saying the yamaha is better than the honda by any means. What i am saying, however, is that i think it's clear that in his first season on the yamaha, alot of development was needed to get it to work perfectly for him. We are seeing the result of that this year and to say the M1 is any lesser of a bike than the Honda is somewhat foolish, in my opinion. (and im a honda nut, so thats not easy for me to say!)

Of course he works for his wins. It doesn't matter what bike he is on, he works his ... off either way!
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Heres my take on the new bike mod's.................why are Honda concentrating their efforts on power rather than the handling?

Every race this year the commentators talk about the "honda lane" and "how good the yam is round the corners".............I read somewhere that the new bikes could be pumping more than 30bhp than the Yam
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Not sure if thats correct, but I cant see why they are putting power first.

I know they will be looking at trying to get a better cornering bike...............but everyone seems to focus on the power issue.

voovoo..........nice pictures, come on.............make a post and tell us all how you have got so "intimate" with the teams at Laguna!!?

rossi 46 winner..........of course he has earnt his wins mate! you dont get to the finsh line trundling around the track! lol Look at Colin, identical bikes...........yet nealry half Rossi's points. Hes a class above everyone.

I think people would like to see him challenged more thats all.............it appears to me that he is the only rider who can slice through the field with relative ease.....pull out the fast laps when he needs too..............when the going gets tough, Rossi gets going!
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Its like he has a turbo strapped to the bike..........when he dedcides its time to fly...not many riders can stick on his wheel. Granted, he was pushed on Sunday, but he would have still kicked Sete's ... even if he hadnt made that error.

What can you do about the boy? He's a living legend and we will be telling our kids/grandkids about the days when Rossi was king.

I think if Nicky & Melandri get faster & start getting consistent.................they are the future GP champs...........thats what Rossi does so well, he's bloody consistent...................everyone says, Biaggi is un-beatable on his day etc...........thing is, to win world champs.......you have to be consistent
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What I'd like to see more in GP is 2/3 guys duking it out more, you cant beat the first race of the season for entertain in my opinion............last lap show downs rock! Thats why it was a bit of a downer when Sete over cooked it on Sunday, if that had gone to the wire & Rossi had nailed him............would have looked 20 times sweeter for him!
 
Sorry forgot to mention Burgess as General says.................theres alot of people behind the rider
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