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New AMA Superbike rules

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Equally impressive is that second through 20th places earn $5000 each

This worries me.

So, where is the incentive to improve or try your hardest when you can earn the same amount of money for 20th as you can for second>

This just rewards mediocrity (within the field).

Instead all prize money should be on a scale downwards across the number of positions decided (in this case 20)


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>And in order to ensure a good show, the rules state that “If necessary, specific motorcycles may be allowed a variance from the standard power to weight ratio to ensure parity in competition.

This is the catch to allow other bikes that currently do not conform to enter if the promoter/owner sees fit.

Or does it open the potential for a team to not put the dollars and effort into motor development but instead run a bike with 120HP and aim for some dispensation (doubt that would happen)


I dare say that interesting times are ahead for the US race scene.





Garry
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ May 27 2008, 03:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This worries me.

So, where is the incentive to improve or try your hardest when you can earn the same amount of money for 20th as you can for second>

This just rewards mediocrity (within the field).

Instead all prize money should be on a scale downwards across the number of positions decided (in this case 20)




This is the catch to allow other bikes that currently do not conform to enter if the promoter/owner sees fit.

Or does it open the potential for a team to not put the dollars and effort into motor development but instead run a bike with 120HP and aim for some dispensation (doubt that would happen)


I dare say that interesting times are ahead for the US race scene.





Garry

That would be known as the Buell Rule.They can tweak the rules till the Buell wins
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ May 27 2008, 02:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That would be known as the Buell Rule.They can tweak the rules till the Buell wins
I wonder why they would do that.









Here's a good quote; Don't stoop too low you might hurt your back.
 
Mixed feelings for me.

1. Safety in the AMA is horrible, so it seems like they almost had to move to 600s. Mladin has always whined about safety. Now the AMA is using the time tested safety improvement technique--slowing the bikes down.

2. I'm not shocked at all by the racing for cash. I was certain DMG would throw that in the mix of new rules. The real question is how much longer before they are racing for cars, houses, and women.
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3. The superpole payout is an waste of $5,000 grand that could be applied to the other podium purses.

4. I like the power to weight ratio. It means bike manufacturers will have to focus on power throughout the range rather than top end hit. In other words, big riders will still have some chance in the new 600 class.

I saw the Buell rule, but as far as I can tell displacement isn't limited strictly to 600cc. If you look on the list of eligible bikes the GSX-R 750 is listed.
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Can we call that the Suzuki rule? It seems like an extra 150cc would give a superior bottom and midrange hit to all the other Japanese bikes in the field.


How long until all the Japanese manufacturers are bringing 750's or 800's or whatever the feel like making?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ May 27 2008, 02:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>That would be known as the Buell Rule.They can tweak the rules till the Buell wins
....and it works in WSB too (for a certain Italian marque)
 
I enjoy superpole almost as much as the racing in WSBK. Hope they run it on all the tracks and run it in the same manner.
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I really think they need to take into account the riders weight in this whole "power to weight". Give the rider say a 3 to 5% buffer.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ May 27 2008, 01:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So, where is the incentive to improve or try your hardest when you can earn the same amount of money for 20th as you can for second?

Better yet, with easy money up for grabs, where is the incentive to race in the other series? (should the factories start a break-away series, that is).

The Frances will hand out sponsors and subsidize teams. Once again, they did it with Grand-Am. This is how they work: DESTROY the competition, use pre-emptive strikes if necessary!
 
These results could be a great success if well executed, and if the entry list (riders and teams) is credible
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 27 2008, 04:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>These results could be a great success if well executed, and if the entry list (riders and teams) is credible

Yes, but factories run Superbike to boost sales. Those 600's and 1000's are known for racing. Like in Grand Am, this would create a state of no innovation, essentially making racing unnecissary for the factories.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ May 27 2008, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes, but factories run Superbike to boost sales. Those 600's and 1000's are known for racing. Like in Grand Am, this would create a state of no innovation, essentially making racing unnecissary for the factories.

Superbike racing isn't about innovation, thats GP. As long as the race bike looks like the one in the shop then the advertising is done.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ May 27 2008, 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Superbike racing isn't about innovation, thats GP. As long as the race bike looks like the one in the shop then the advertising is done.
Spot on.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Jun 2 2008, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Suzuki won't complain about this one.

Are you sure? Suzuki's 600 isn't that competitive in the SS classes over here, and I don't remember seeing it up top over there.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Jun 2 2008, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Are you sure? Suzuki's 600 isn't that competitive in the SS classes over here, and I don't remember seeing it up top over there.

What happened in BSS last year?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jun 2 2008, 10:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What happened in BSS last year?
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Some Irishman on a 750 in disguise won?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ Jun 2 2008, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Some Irishman on a 750 in disguise won?
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AKA Suzuki 1-2. Lowry also won the most recent BSS race and lies 4th in the championship on one of the bikes in question.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Jun 2 2008, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>AKA Suzuki 1-2. Lowry also won the most recent BSS race and lies 4th in the championship on one of the bikes in question.

Well obviously Suzuki don't want Americans to win in America.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hayden Fan @ May 27 2008, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes, but factories run Superbike to boost sales. Those 600's and 1000's are known for racing. Like in Grand Am, this would create a state of no innovation, essentially making racing unnecissary for the factories.

And yet manufacturers are lining up for NASCAR.

If everyone is running the same machine but made by a different company with a different sticker set, the rider will be the most important factor.

I have some trepidation that riders will succeed (pay & fanbase) based only on their personality, but the AMA doesn't run ovals and they don't bump one another into the wall for fun. I'm imagining that should be sufficient to make sure the sport stays relatively pure.

I can't understand why people are knocking the spec changes. THE AMA IS NOT A VENUE FOR INNOVATION! AMA companies want to run cheap machinery while raking in sponsorship and fan $$$. Interestingly enough, cheap machinery is good for the amateurs as well.

Plus if this actually works, and profits rise, and venues improve, the AMA will have the ability to be the only series on the planet with rising displacement for all machines involved.
 
I presume its not going to be known as AMA Superbike ?
AMA Supersport or AMA Joke.
AMA has shot themselves in the foot.
 

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