"Motosports can be dangerous"

JPSLotus said:

Ah the ad hominem shows up, was waiting for that.

Since I never said you were ...., or claimed I could do a better job, try again.

See because I don't feel like reading another cliched piece about motorsport is dangerous when someone dies, and would rather see some actual questions being asked regarding the circuit to /FIM/MotoGP/Dorna before they go into spin mode, doesn't mean I'm telling you that you are ..... I'm asking more from you, which currently is flying over your head.

Instead of coming back with ad hominems, read carefully you thin-skinned .....

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michaelm said:

There is something worse than psychological analysis by Internet then. Neurological diagnosis by Internet is even less valid.

I actually think JPS has a very valid point about tracks made to suit car racing, particularly F1, if not about David Emmett. It is a point I believe Stoner made when he was still racing in advance of this terrible event, which again as with Simoncelli I fortunately missed and will continue to attempt to evade.

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Gaz said:

Krop, a serious question if I may regarding the safety at circuits etc

I came across a video by Mr Jarno Zaffelli (video below) which I found to be ridiculously interesting given the discussion is to be had after this weekend. Is Zaffelli associated with FIM, DORNA etc or is he standalone as he does mention MotoGP as being the basis for a lot of the research, research which personally I found very interesting.



Asking as personally I found the video very interesting in terms of the work that is going on to try to develop safer environments and equipment and was wondering as to his background as for me, Catalunya would have been assessed and it interests me to see their risk assessment of the circuit and other circuits on the calendar

Thanks

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JPSLotus said:

Kropo may not know what question to ask, but a few of us do.

It's simple: When F1 no longer used turn 12 (and it had nothing to do with turn 12 and everything to do with the entry speed to turn 13 that using the old layout brought into play) did Catalunya not remove the tarmac runoff?

The follow-up question would be: Why does MotoGP not work to get gravel traps returned to the circuits they race at so riders don't risk sliding endlessly?

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Kropotkin said:

Lazy. If you don't want to read another .... piece of journalism by a waste of oxygen such as myself, get yourself a credential, come ask all the right questions, the ones I am too stupid to ask, and then write your own original piece. I am sure it will gain a massive readership, and earn you the respect you deserve.

Alternatively, if you don't want to read a cliched piece about danger in motorsports, stop reading anything I write. Simple.

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Kropotkin said:

1. The tarmac runoff is there to allow F1 cars to brake if they miss the entrance to what is now Turn 13 (in the F1 layout).

2. They already do, and they work a lot with circuits to find a compromise which allows them to run both F1 and MotoGP safely. They have worked with the FIA to design kerbs which discourage bikes from going on them in the first place, and keeps cars from running wide and needing asphalt. I did an article about this for a Dutch magazine last year, and had a long interview with Mike Webb about this. Franco Uncini works closely with the FIA to try to find a compromise that works for both.


So the answer to your question, why didn't I ask those questions, is because I already knew the answers.

My point was that there was little I could ask which would be enlightening at that point. Salom crashed at a very strange place, and was miles off line when he went down. He is the only rider to ever have crashed at that point. A marshal tells me there have been only 6 crashes in that corner in something like 10 years, and they always ended up in the gravel further along. Riders have never raised that corner in the Safety Commission. It has never been an issue.

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Kropotkin said:

1. The tarmac runoff is there to allow F1 cars to brake if they miss the entrance to what is now Turn 13 (in the F1 layout).

2. They already do, and they work a lot with circuits to find a compromise which allows them to run both F1 and MotoGP safely. They have worked with the FIA to design kerbs which discourage bikes from going on them in the first place, and keeps cars from running wide and needing asphalt. I did an article about this for a Dutch magazine last year, and had a long interview with Mike Webb about this. Franco Uncini works closely with the FIA to try to find a compromise that works for both.


So the answer to your question, why didn't I ask those questions, is because I already knew the answers.

My point was that there was little I could ask which would be enlightening at that point. Salom crashed at a very strange place, and was miles off line when he went down. He is the only rider to ever have crashed at that point. A marshal tells me there have been only 6 crashes in that corner in something like 10 years, and they always ended up in the gravel further along. Riders have never raised that corner in the Safety Commission. It has never been an issue.

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RCV600RR said:

Quite the demolition job.

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