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Kropo may not know what question to ask, but a few of us do.

It's simple: When F1 no longer used turn 12 (and it had nothing to do with turn 12 and everything to do with the entry speed to turn 13 that using the old layout brought into play) did Catalunya not remove the tarmac runoff?

The follow-up question would be: Why does MotoGP not work to get gravel traps returned to the circuits they race at so riders don't risk sliding endlessly?
 
JPSLotus said:
Kropo may not know what question to ask, but a few of us do.

It's simple: When F1 no longer used turn 12 (and it had nothing to do with turn 12 and everything to do with the entry speed to turn 13 that using the old layout brought into play) did Catalunya not remove the tarmac runoff?

The follow-up question would be: Why does MotoGP not work to get gravel traps returned to the circuits they race at so riders don't risk sliding endlessly?
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You should do my job. You are obviously a much better journalist than me, and probably anyone else in the paddock.
 
Kropotkin said:
You should do my job. You are obviously a much better journalist than me, and probably anyone else in the paddock.
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Krop, a serious question if I may regarding the safety at circuits etc

I came across a video by Mr Jarno Zaffelli (video below) which I found to be ridiculously interesting given the discussion is to be had after this weekend. Is Zaffelli associated with FIM, DORNA etc or is he standalone as he does mention MotoGP as being the basis for a lot of the research, research which personally I found very interesting.



Asking as personally I found the video very interesting in terms of the work that is going on to try to develop safer environments and equipment and was wondering as to his background as for me, Catalunya would have been assessed and it interests me to see their risk assessment of the circuit and other circuits on the calendar

Thanks
 
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Kropotkin said:
You should do my job. You are obviously a much better journalist than me, and probably anyone else in the paddock.
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Lol, since all said was the two questions that should... No, actually NEED to be asked. Instead of acting indignant over it and thinking I've said anything about being a better journalist than you --which I never even came close to saying-- you should ask the questions since a few of us would like to know.
 
Kropo here's the real question for you and your fellows journalists...if Lorenzo or Marquez go down this weekend during the race and the crowd cheers, are any of you guys going to take Rossi to ask for it this time?
 
JPSLotus said:
Kropo may not know what question to ask, but a few of us do.
It's simple: When F1 no longer used turn 12 (and it had nothing to do with turn 12 and everything to do with the entry speed to turn 13 that using the old layout brought into play) did Catalunya not remove the tarmac runoff?

The follow-up question would be: Why does MotoGP not work to get gravel traps returned to the circuits they race at so riders don't risk sliding endlessly?
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Learn humility you tool!
 
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JPSLotus said:
Lol, since all said was the two questions that should... No, actually NEED to be asked. Instead of acting indignant over it and thinking I've said anything about being a better journalist than you --which I never even came close to saying-- you should ask the questions since a few of us would like to know.
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Why are you so lazy? Come here, ask the questions you want to know. I'm just a .... journalist who is useless. You would do a much better job. Start a website, get credentials, show us how it's done.
 
Kropotkin said:
Why are you so lazy? Come here, ask the questions you want to know. I'm just a .... journalist who is useless. You would do a much better job. Start a website, get credentials, show us how it's done.
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Ah the ad hominem shows up, was waiting for that.

Since I never said you were ...., or claimed I could do a better job, try again.

See because I don't feel like reading another cliched piece about motorsport is dangerous when someone dies, and would rather see some actual questions being asked regarding the circuit to /FIM/MotoGP/Dorna before they go into spin mode, doesn't mean I'm telling you that you are ..... I'm asking more from you, which currently is flying over your head.

Instead of coming back with ad hominems, read carefully you thin-skinned .....
 
JPSLotus said:
Kropo may not know what question to ask, but a few of us do.

It's simple: When F1 no longer used turn 12 (and it had nothing to do with turn 12 and everything to do with the entry speed to turn 13 that using the old layout brought into play) did Catalunya not remove the tarmac runoff?

The follow-up question would be: Why does MotoGP not work to get gravel traps returned to the circuits they race at so riders don't risk sliding endlessly?
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JPS,
Actually these are pretty simple questions to answer. No one had a crystal ball.

How many years have they raced at Catalunya without an incident? I am sure if they every believe something like this would happen they would have made a change. Hind Site is a beautiful thing.

I do not know every corner of every track, but I am sure they are others just as or nearly as dangerous. Should they all be taken out? Maybe start racing ovals?

It is tragic and it hurts, and the rest of the season will not be the same, but it is the risk that these guys take. They know it and we love and idolize them for it.


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On a weekend where Lorenzo traditionally promotes awareness of mental disabilities, along with Anna Vives, your comment is pretty distasteful Dani. Especially on a thread where the danger of motorsports is being discussed, where a head injury could leave a rider with such a condition if not worse.
 
Daniboy said:
You can get help for dementia these days. Early diagnosis can almost stop it. Might be too late for you though!
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There is something worse than psychological analysis by Internet then. Neurological diagnosis by Internet is even less valid.

I actually think JPS has a very valid point about tracks made to suit car racing, particularly F1, if not about David Emmett. It is a point I believe Stoner made when he was still racing in advance of this terrible event, which again as with Simoncelli I fortunately missed and will continue to attempt to evade.
 
yamfan said:
On a weekend where Lorenzo traditionally promotes awareness of mental disabilities, along with Anna Vives, your comment is pretty distasteful Dani. Especially on a thread where the danger of motorsports is being discussed, where a head injury could leave a rider with such a condition if not worse.
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How can you say it was distasteful? I was only trying to help the poor fellow.
 
michaelm said:
There is something worse than psychological analysis by Internet then. Neurological diagnosis by Internet is even less valid.

I actually think JPS has a very valid point about tracks made to suit car racing, particularly F1, if not about David Emmett. It is a point I believe Stoner made when he was still racing in advance of this terrible event, which again as with Simoncelli I fortunately missed and will continue to attempt to evade.
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Stoner made his comment prior to the Tomizawa incident and was ridiculed by many as a 'whiner' when he made the comments and often subsequently for his views on track safety (or lack thereof).

Sadly, Stoner was ignored prior to Tomizawa and remained ignored as his view was not a populist view whilst his likely delivery was also less than diplomatic or populist.

The sadder reality is that there is more money from a circuit owners view in car racing than there is in bike racing, and as such many tracks (the majority?) will be setup to favour cars. Of course, just like any racer they do not want to damage their vehicle should then leave the track and as such, tarmac areas are increasing.

On the plus side, whilst PI has added tarmac at turn 1 they have gravel behind the tarmac and then more tarmac as there have been cars and bikes go across that strip and onto the loop across the years. But, despite pushes from the V8 fraternity and club racing, so far they have refused to remove or cover and other trap with tarmac as for PI, the pinnacle event that they host are bikes (WSBK, MotoGP and the lesser recognised Island Classic)
 

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