MotoGP's Future

Mental Anarchist · Sep 2, 2011

Krop has an article that no doubt you will all read (doesn't everybody read motomatters.com?).

http://www.motomatte...d_up_how_s.html

We have had scattered discussions regarding this in the past.

As per Krops article Carmelo Ezpeleta has come out and said that within a few years MotoGP will be 100% CRT or Moto1 as I like to refer to them as and factories will be gone. Personally I think this is good for the sport because with any luck we may return to prototyping for racing purposes rather than production purposes.

A couple of points I think are worth discussing as flow on's from MotoGP becoming Moto1 are:

Will we see race teams morphing into new boutique bike manufacturers and providing race replica bikes for sale to the likes of you and me. I can see that this will allow fans to become fans of the race teams rather than just riders because they have a unique bit of kit parked in the garage.

The big topic for me though is will we see Rossi start (for those who watch AMA MX) his own version of Chad Reeds, Two Two Motorsports maybe a FourSix Moto1 Team (although I am sure he will come up with something distinctly Rossi for a name) in 2013? Funding would be no problem at all and the politics is right up his alley also so I am sure he would be able to put together a top piece of kit with a top team to keep it all going. Could Rossi win on a Moto1 bike under his own banner?

It is not just Rossi who may do this as potentially their could be a TwoSeven Moto1 Team or a NineNine one etc etc.

What about riders like Abraham who bought their way in? Could this be an avenue for well backed riders to buy into the pinnacle by starting their own teams?

What else could be the benefits of no manufactures just race teams. What about the negatives? Are the regulations too tight to make it successful? Do you think their is room for pure prototyping of predominately the chassis?

digger · Sep 2, 2011

sounds good to me man. as long as they are really loud, really fast and the racing close, that would keep me happy, as well as most fans too i would imagine

33 Coupe · Sep 2, 2011

I don't like that idea. I like Moto GP because it is the top guys on cutting edge, difficult to ride equipment. Dumbing it down just to make big fields & bikes rideable for everyone is just stupid as far as I'm concerned.

I would rather see Moto GP stay prototypes & world superbikes become a series for special, limited edition manufacturer bikes like the Honda RC30. Bikes must race with the equipment they leave the factory with & they must make a run of maybe 300 bikes which would be available to the public.

GeePee · Sep 2, 2011

From the lnk above

Stoner had plenty of praise for the work ethic at Ducati, though. "I know how hard the Ducati guys work," he said, "and it's disappointing to watch them struggle so much."

What do people make of this comment from Stoner???

Is it genuine for the guys he left behind or is it a dig at the new crew that have moved in to the house that was Stoner's?

or a different meaning?

BarryMachine · Sep 2, 2011

I honestly think Stoner believes Rossi is not trying hard enough. Which is what I believe too.

He is waiting for Ducati to make the bike perfect so anybody can ride it ..... then he will try !!??? WTF is that!?

Though even if he did try I doubt he would e in front of Pedro/Lorenzo/Stoner, mainly because they are a step above him, and Stoner possibly 2 steps.

Stoner has skills Rossi never had:

http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/201109024724/Rossi-non-posso-guidare-come-Stoner.html

mylexicon · Sep 2, 2011

Using CRT to populate the entire grid is a bad idea. I doubt Ezpeleta wants to get rid of the factory teams completely b/c they bring money and sponsorship to the track. Furthermore, many of the manufacturers don't even have a suitable bore measurements on their production engines to be competitive in CRT trim.

I'm hoping that Ezpeleta meant the following: In two or three years, fully-developed CRT bikes will be capable of beating factory machines. The MSMA will be forced to adopt 24L fuel regulations.

stiefel · Sep 3, 2011

GeePee said:
From the lnk above

What do people make of this comment from Stoner???

Is it genuine for the guys he left behind or is it a dig at the new crew that have moved in to the house that was Stoner's?

or a different meaning?

BarryMachine said:
I honestly think Stoner believes Rossi is not trying hard enough. Which is what I believe too.

He is waiting for Ducati to make the bike perfect so anybody can ride it ..... then he will try !!??? WTF is that!?

Though even if he did try I doubt he would e in front of Pedro/Lorenzo/Stoner, mainly because they are a step above him, and Stoner possibly 2 steps.

Stoner has skills Rossi never had:

http://www.gpone.com...ome-Stoner.html

Why not post this in one of the many Rossi vs Stoner threats, rather than clogging this threat up with it? I'm serious, Barry's link is quite interesting and confusing, and I'd like to discuss it, but I don't want to hijack this threat.

BarryMachine · Sep 3, 2011

stiefel said:
Barry's link is quite interesting and confusing, and I'd like to discuss it, but I don't want to hijack this threat.

That's exactly what I thought ....... but based on the title I posted it anyway

Mental Anarchist · Sep 3, 2011

mylexicon said:
Using CRT to populate the entire grid is a bad idea. I doubt Ezpeleta wants to get rid of the factory teams completely b/c they bring money and sponsorship to the track. Furthermore, many of the manufacturers don't even have a suitable bore measurements on their production engines to be competitive in CRT trim.

I'm hoping that Ezpeleta meant the following: In two or three years, fully-developed CRT bikes will be capable of beating factory machines. The MSMA will be forced to adopt 24L fuel regulations.

Do you think there is any chance we could see Rossi on a Moto1 bike under his own banner in 2013?

Keshav · Sep 3, 2011

WSGP. What's next? Have 'em all riding on an oval? Oh well.... can't beat 'em - join 'em. Anyone think Carmine is using this threat as a bargaining card to get the the manufacturers to be more compliant?

povol · Sep 3, 2011

Keshav said:
WSGP. What's next? Have 'em all riding on an oval? Oh well.... can't beat 'em - join 'em. Anyone think Carmine is using this threat as a bargaining card to get the the manufacturers to be more compliant?

I certainly hope so, I do not like where this headed. Even without the manufacturers, someone will be dominant, fans will ..... about the racing. More silly rules will follow and eventually to appease the bitchy bored fan, you end up with a spec engine, to go along with the spec tire. Oh, the chassis is prototype, whoppeee. Sound familiar. Yea, Moto 2 has close racing, so does DSB, and that series doesnt inspire me either. When GP becomes glorified spec Superbikes, i hope the bitchy fan who was bored with exotic prototypes, is happy.

stiefel · Sep 3, 2011

povol said:
I certainly hope so, I do not like where this headed. Even without the manufacturers, someone will be dominant, fans will ..... about the racing. More silly rules will follow and eventually to appease the bitchy bored fan, you end up with a spec engine, to go along with the spec tire. Oh, the chassis is prototype, whoppeee. Sound familiar. Yea, Moto 2 has close racing, so does DSB, and that series doesnt inspire me either. When GP becomes glorified spec Superbikes, i hope the bitchy fan who was bored with exotic prototypes, is happy.

I have nothing against the crt's as such, in fact I welcome them because I like full grids as much as anyone. But they are an easy fix to bring up the number of entries, not a substitute for the factory prototypes. I can only wholeheartedly agree with you, the bitching fans may want to consider what they are wishing for, they might just get it.

mylexicon · Sep 3, 2011

Mental Anarchist said:
Do you think there is any chance we could see Rossi on a Moto1 bike under his own banner in 2013?

No. Production engines do not have the same performance characteristics as 81mm prototype engines so Rossi will stay factory unless a new production engine is released.

Talpa · Sep 3, 2011

I don't know that it will change too much as to the state of standings........I think it could be a shot across the bow from Dorna at the MSMA, Honda, Yamaha, Ducati and Suzuki will still make a far better motogp bike........however I think there are real concerns as to where all of this restriction is leading....and its justified! This sport has always been about great racing, and the last 5 seasons have proven to be the opposite........yes the fans are bored....yes they bitching....and yes Dorna should be listening to them as they pay the bills! Also we must factor in cost, I believe the writing is on the wall for Satelite teams who have to pay an arm and a leg to lease a bike from the big boys (as much as 4-5 million euros apparently).....knowing that they do not stand even a slight chance of winning......ever- under these rules. This is where the problem lies, the satelite efforts make up 8 of the 17 bikes in the field currently and not one of them stands a chance of winning.

Of course there will be support from purists on this current formula....however are we really seeing the best bikes with the best rubber? Nope not at all......21 litre fuel restriction....6 max engine rule for 18 rounds......2 tyre choices.....its no where near the pinnacle of engineering, more so the pinnacle of engineering under ridiculous restriction.....which in itself is counterproductive and more important- prohibitively expensive.

The old argument which I read on kropos site 'is it better to be equal or to be fair?' Tyres are the biggest problem.....however Dorna seems to have had enough of the MSMA and is making contingency plans if a fallout occurs.....

Pigeon · Jan 26, 2012

Another Future is TV Where will it go..

Tweets today from Krop.Toby. etc Thanks

interesting thoughts after Spanish TV La Sexta have canceled TV contract for F1

WHO MIGHT DROP MOTOGP COVERAGE ?

BBC When there contracts up leaving it to Brit Eurosport only in the UK on PayTV ?

I For one wont take PAYTV $$££ and a New 12month contract to watch it

TODAY

motomatters David Emmett

Interesting: Spanish TV La Sexta have canceled TV contract for F1 - too expensive. Now up for bidding.

motomatters David Emmett

Spanish F1 TV rights apparently worth 45 million a year for 3.3 million TV viewers. That's less than MotoGP viewers, and TVE paid 20M a year

TobyMoody Toby Moody

@

@motomatters - Yeah, but at the time they paid for them, Spain was watching F1 as Alonso was further up. Rmbr he only won one GP in 2011.

motomatters David Emmett

@TobyMoody But what happens in Oz when Stoner retires? Italy if there's no Italian to follow Rossi? France without RdP?

36 minutes ago

David Emmett

motomatters David Emmett

@TobyMoody Food for thought over future retirements. All know what will happen when Rossi retires, that's been done to death (cont.)...

TobyMoody Toby Moody

Future TV sport coverage: I think we'll watch races on our WiFi TVs buying each race like an iTunes song or album. It is going to change...

povol · Jan 26, 2012

Pigeon said:
Another Future is TV Where will it go..

Tweets today from Krop.Toby. etc Thanks

interesting thoughts after Spanish TV La Sexta have canceled TV contract for F1

WHO MIGHT DROP MOTOGP COVERAGE ?

BBC When there contracts up leaving it to Brit Eurosport only in the UK on PayTV ?

I For one wont take PAYTV $$££ and a New 12month contract to watch it

TODAY

motomatters David Emmett

Interesting: Spanish TV La Sexta have canceled TV contract for F1 - too expensive. Now up for bidding.

motomatters David Emmett

Spanish F1 TV rights apparently worth 45 million a year for 3.3 million TV viewers. That's less than MotoGP viewers, and TVE paid 20M a year

TobyMoody Toby Moody

@

@motomatters - Yeah, but at the time they paid for them, Spain was watching F1 as Alonso was further up. Rmbr he only won one GP in 2011.

motomatters David Emmett

@TobyMoody But what happens in Oz when Stoner retires? Italy if there's no Italian to follow Rossi? France without RdP?

36 minutes ago

David Emmett

motomatters David Emmett

@TobyMoody Food for thought over future retirements. All know what will happen when Rossi retires, that's been done to death (cont.)...

TobyMoody Toby Moody

Future TV sport coverage: I think we'll watch races on our WiFi TVs buying each race like an iTunes song or album. It is going to change...

Considering ratings fell close to 50% when Rossi was out injured, and returned to normal when he came back, i guess they do know whats going to happen. Those same people will leave the sport unless Dorna creates another diety for them to worship

Jumkie · Jan 26, 2012

povol said:
Considering ratings fell close to 50% when Rossi was out injured, and returned to normal when he came back, i guess they do know whats going to happen. Those same people will leave the sport unless Dorna creates another diety for them to worship

Sadly, I think that person may have been Marco Simonchelli.

Pov, putting aside the condescending tone of your post in regard to Rossi, there is some value in this idea of needing some hero to follow. I've given lots of grief in the past over hero worship as you know. However, I've also come to the realization that our sport couldn't survive on a fan base like many of us here on powerslide, that is, staunch addicted followers of the sport, we are too few. We need many of the hero-worshipping peeps that we see ebb and flow on PS according to who is being worshipped. Most of the money is made on the casual fans that have an affinity to worship; today we see many representations of this fan here on powerslide. Just look now at the shifts here on the forum, we now have a slue of worshiping fans, Rossi worship has been replaced with Stoner worship.

povol · Jan 26, 2012

Jumkie said:
Sadly, I think that person may have been Marco Simonchelli.

Pov, putting aside the condescending tone of your post in regard to Rossi, there is some value in this idea of needing some hero to follow. I've given lots of grief in the past over hero worship as you know. However, I've also come to the realization that our sport couldn't survive on a fan base like many of us here on powerslide, that is, staunch addicted followers of the sport, we are too few. We need many of the hero-worshipping peeps that we see ebb and flow on PS according to who is being worshipped. Most of the money is made on the casual fans that have an affinity to worship; today we see many representations of this fan here on powerslide. Just look now at the shifts here on the forum, we now have a slue of worshiping fans, Rossi worship has been replaced with Stoner worship.

I dont blame Rossi as much as i do Dorna. Its not healthy for a sport to get the reputation of favoritism, and Dorna has done that. As far as Stoner worship, 99% of it is flat out retribution instead of worship.

spooky · Jan 26, 2012

Yeah, i dont think Rossi set out to be the figure he is today. However, how would you feel Pov if Casey was singled out to be Dorna's next marketing focus? Would you instantly disown him and post scathing comments about him on this forum? Like you say, Dorna are the ones to blame in this whole debacle...they've effectively ruined the sport, the useless twats!

cliche guevara · Jan 26, 2012

50%?!

thats a frightening number, but i hope that had largely to do with one guy dominating the racing and that if 2010 had been a closer battle between jorge and dani that more people would have followed the series that season.

good post jumkie, i feel the exact same way

i'm feeling a bit more optimistic though, the series has a number of very talented riders and my hope is that as soon as the series is "dumbed down" to create more of a parity on the machine side the spectacle will improve and there will be no need for a posterchild other than exciting motorcycle racing

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