"Moto2" 600cc Four-Stroke

I wonder how they're lap times will b compared to the 800s. I feel like there's not enough difference between the two. Motogp should be something completely different, not just a change in a couple hundred cc's

and the "premier" class is 200cc bigger ....... ...!

MotoGP needs to go to 1200cc or WSBK is going to RULE!

If Dorna wants to cut cost, why bother with all these silly rules, just run MotoGP SS (supersport). There are currently a number of different Supersport series throughout the world, they could just run their own and simply try and attract the best talent and support.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Dec 11 2008, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Dorna wants to cut cost, why bother with all these silly rules, just run MotoGP SS (supersport). There are currently a number of different Supersport series throughout the world, they could just run their own and simply try and attract the best talent and support.
I thought they Flamini's had a monopoly on Supersport based world championships.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Dec 11 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If Dorna wants to cut cost, why bother with all these silly rules, just run MotoGP SS (supersport). There are currently a number of different Supersport series throughout the world, they could just run their own and simply try and attract the best talent and support.

I don't think they can refer to it as SS b/c WSS already use that moniker. Furthermore, this IS a prototype attempt at WSS. A very poor one to boot.

Why are Ezy and his legion of doom (the Japanese manufacturers) so STUPID?

This ain't the premier class so chances are most of the great design guru are content to work within the confines of certain parameters in the name of cost suppression.

Motorcycle racing is so easy. Why do they insist on screwing it up?!

Hand the manufacturers a torque curve and an HP curve and then give them the line of best fit formula you will use to measure tolerances. Tell them to build whatever they want within 600-650cc & 4 strokes.

Tell the manufacturers to give the electronic ECU specs to the governing body. The governing body hires an ECU company to produce the teams ECU's as they request. Put a little black box on the bike before the race. Any output from the ECU that deviates from the normal settings results in disqualification. The spec ECU could obviously not be used for TC or anything else because it would be recorded on the black box. Once the ECU data is in, engine development is frozen until the next season when they can have a new engine/ECU config approved.

Tell the manufacturers to run their sims at the beginning of every season and to come up with a transmission. That's what they use for the entire season. That will help spread the wins out based upon which track they want their transmissions to suit, or it will allow a small dark horse manufacturer to pick up wins by designing a bike that is strong at tracks where the big manufacturers are relatively weak.

Set a minimum bike+rider weight so midgets don't take over the sport.

Steel brakes. Conventional forks. Chain drive. Conventional rear shock (same old passive suspension when the bike is at full lean).

Change the perfomance specs every couple of years.

The end. Everyone wins.

Manufacturers get to test all kinds of new engine configs, chassis, and design philosophies. The governing body gets to keep performance within reason so tracks don't have to be remodeled every couple of years. Fans get diverse machines and good racing. Riders of many different sizes all get roughly the same equipment. Variations within chassis design allows a team to build around a rider's desires.

Sounds good to me Lex!!

I think it's great that they are now switching to 600cc 4strokes. Those are the sportsbikes that are being sold in dealers everywhere not the 250 2strokers, so hopefully some of the technology will be transferred over to street bikes so the average consumer can have their very own 'Moto' machine, or as close to one as they'll ever get. The problem I have is with the 800cc premier class that is MotoGP. They need to bump it up to 1000cc, controlled ecu, no traction control. All this about safety issues and trying to slow the bikes down is ridiculous. I mean think about it, motorcycles are dangerous........period. It's not like slowing bikes down from 210mph to 200mph is going to make a damn difference. Or slowing down cornering speeds from 100mph to 95mph is going to make a difference in safety. Im all for safety as far as having the best corner workers, medical staff, safety run-off areas, best rider equipment technology, etcc... but trying to slow down bikes a few mph is just ridiculous if Dorna is that concern with rider's safety. Its a joke really, I hope they get their act together because WSBK is knocking on their door.

SS56 - is it just me or are your post getting better and better? No backsliding now...

Just great, a 'kin 'prototype chassis' class, wonderful, a true dorna yawnfest - it will fit in with british .......s corp just fine.
Basically we should all say .... you honda, you dont like 2smokes but we do..........s

"Teams will only be allowed one bike and two engines per race weekend."

If the rider crashes in practice he's got nothing to go out on until the bike is repaired.

And if it starts to rain during the race???

Lots of folks get told to go .... themselves in the ... - but this is the first time I've seen someone
try this hard to comply. Whatever drugs Dorna are taking . . . are the ones you really want to avoid. Next - they're going to re-introduce Le Mans starts.

prepare for another 15 bike grid in GP

WSBK, WSS ftw

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Keshav @ Dec 12 2008, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>"Teams will only be allowed one bike and two engines per race weekend."

If the rider crashes in practice he's got nothing to go out on until the bike is repaired.

And if it starts to rain during the race???

Lots of folks get told to go .... themselves in the ... - but this is the first time I've seen someone
try this hard to comply. Whatever drugs Dorna are taking . . . are the ones you really want to avoid. Next - they're going to re-introduce Le Mans starts.

Would the following be a better senario?


125cc 2 stroke......becomes.....200cc 4 stroke

250cc 2 stroke......becomes.....400cc 4 stroke

MotoGP 800cc 4 stroke.


Each class doubles engine capacity of the class below it.....200/400/800 just like the old days of 125/250/500.

I think 400cc 4 stroke GP bikes would be a hugely popular catagory in the future to get into racing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GeePee @ Dec 12 2008, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Would the following be a better senario?


125cc 2 stroke......becomes.....200cc 4 stroke

250cc 2 stroke......becomes.....400cc 4 stroke

MotoGP 800cc 4 stroke.


Each class doubles engine capacity of the class below it.....200/400/800 just like the old days of 125/250/500.

I think 400cc 4 stroke GP bikes would be a hugely popular catagory in the future to get into racing.


if anything it should be 125's to 450 singles.. 250's to 650 singles.. 800s to 990s..

every manufacturer has an engine in that class.

I was secretly hoping Ducati would bring the Supermono into production....looks like that wont be happening with these no desmo rules.


Long live the SUPERMONO, one of the best bikes that Ducati has ever made

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I seriously hope someone makes a single that will dominate the class...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Traverser @ Dec 12 2008, 12:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was secretly hoping Ducati would bring the Supermono into production....looks like that wont be happening with these no desmo rules.


Long live the SUPERMONO, one of the best bikes that Ducati has ever made

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I seriously hope someone makes a single that will dominate the class...

I was also waiting for a supermono to dominate the old 125 class

Where does it say no desmo? The gpmatters article says the valves must be as conventional as possible with no variable valve timing or pneumatics. It doesn't say anything about desmo, does it?

Moto2=retardation

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Dec 12 2008, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Moto2=retardation

I hate it too

HOWEVER.................

If this new class leads Honda to develop a V-3 with 2 forward cylinders and 1 rearward firing cylinder, I won't be too upset.

It will be as narrow as a Ducati twin and as smooth as an I-4.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Dec 12 2008, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was also waiting for a supermono to dominate the old 125 class

Where does it say no desmo? The gpmatters article says the valves must be as conventional as possible with no variable valve timing or pneumatics. It doesn't say anything about desmo, does it?

My bad. I read it to quick and wrong!