Moto 2 single engine manufacturer

Whoever the engine supplier is going to be, a 600cc IL4 with the specifications regarding weight and materials they are speaking of, will never be a real GP engine.

They should replace the 250cc with a 400cc twin cylinder formula 4-stroke , whose engines could be easily obtained by cutting in half the current 800cc MotoGP engines. 125 should be replaced with signle-cylinder 200cc 4-stroke. Such engines would fit on the current 125-250 chassis, and MotoGP manufacturers could earn money selling engine kits to the lower classes.

That would be the best use of the current 800cc technology. providing cylinders and heads for the other classes.

The premier class should return to 1000cc

Amen.

It'll be Bultaco.

Sete's return to Moto GP is all part of the grand plan to re-launch and resurrect the brand

What about yamaha?

Seems pretty drastic to only have one engine supplier. Maybe they could rotate every 2 years on some kind of schedule.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Apr 13 2009, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Seems pretty drastic to only have one engine supplier. Maybe they could rotate every 2 years on some kind of schedule.
Why does this seem"drastic" to you?

Going from multiple engine/bike suppliers to one I mean. More NASCAR all the time. I can hardly wait for the templates.

One engine supplier in the "minor leagues" is a huge positive... why are you against it?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kp4e @ Apr 12 2009, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How about COSOMOTO ?
One of the favorites of Kropotkin
here is the LINK:

http://www.cosentinoengineering.com/moto2/index.htm<div align='center'> <div align='center'>COSOMOTO

... But cosmoto has their bike designed around a V4 - not an inline 4 as is the current spec requirement

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Snurfer @ Apr 13 2009, 10:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>... But cosmoto has their bike designed around a V4 - not an inline 4 as is the current spec requirement
TFB for them guessing...

This is an interesting tidbit on this subject... nothing definate of coarse, but has some legitamate cases and rumors -

http://www.motogpmatters.com/news/2009/04/...ngine_deal.html

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Apr 12 2009, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Who else on Honda in '08 tom?

A few wildcards, nobody serious as i recall.

Anyway, as for the single engine supply. It's not ideal but i wonder if the spec engine (whoever makes it) will be branded by its creator. Like would a Honda team for example have to have Kawasaki stickers on their bike for the engine?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mick D @ Apr 13 2009, 11:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>One engine supplier in the "minor leagues" is a huge positive... why are you against it?

I don't like stagnation. Really, it doesn't bother me that much I'm not really a 250 fan. It just seems like a recipe for blandness.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Apr 15 2009, 05:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't like stagnation. Really, it doesn't bother me that much I'm not really a 250 fan. It just seems like a recipe for blandness.
I kinda see it like A1 GP... one engine equals close racing...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 15 2009, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It's not ideal but i wonder if the spec engine (whoever makes it) will be branded by its creator. Like would a Honda team for example have to have Kawasaki stickers on their bike for the engine?
This is what I was wondering. Why would Yamaha, Big H, Ducati etc want to enter a championship where they cant run their own engine? It just seems weird to me that any of the prominent manufacturers would be happy to have another major manufacturer supplying them with engines, we end up with a mash up i.e. Kawacati or Yamasaki.

So this series is 'our chassis is better than your chassis'. Cool

I think engineering close exciting racing will not work. It will turn out to be a worse series than World Supersport, which don't get me wrong is okay but not a MotoGP derivate. If it is a Honda engine then everyone will use the Honda chassis. Who is going to build a better chassis on their own? No-one. Will it attract the best riders like the 250 series now? Unlikely. Might as well just line up the entire production machine of the winning bidder. That is taking away half the interest I would have in the series right there.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Apr 15 2009, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think engineering close exciting racing will not work. It will turn out to be a worse series than World Supersport, which don't get me wrong is okay but not a MotoGP derivate. If it is a Honda engine then everyone will use the Honda chassis. Who is going to build a better chassis on their own? No-one. Will it attract the best riders like the 250 series now? Unlikely. Might as well just line up the entire production machine of the winning bidder. That is taking away half the interest I would have in the series right there.
I don't know... how much interest is there in the non-current, not-production-usable technology of the current 125/250 smokers?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gsfan @ Apr 15 2009, 06:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think engineering close exciting racing will not work. It will turn out to be a worse series than World Supersport, which don't get me wrong is okay but not a MotoGP derivate. If it is a Honda engine then everyone will use the Honda chassis. Who is going to build a better chassis on their own? No-one. Will it attract the best riders like the 250 series now? Unlikely. Might as well just line up the entire production machine of the winning bidder. That is taking away half the interest I would have in the series right there.

Moto2 is not a premiere class and you can't judge the new spec-engine rule against an ideal. The spec-engine rule is simply the means to an end. Dorna must 1. control costs 2. control performance 3. control parity. Dorna must achieve all of these while avoiding a lawsuit from InFront.

A single engine producer is one of the only solutions at this point.

MotoGP budgets are extremely tight so Dorna can't afford to create a series that diverts sponsors and resources away from GP. The new Moto2 class is particularly dangerous to MotoGP because the Japanese manufacturers sell huge quantities of 600cc repli-racers. Manufacturers who aren't doing well in GP might be tempted to divert resources. Ezy and co. are probably looking to create a series that can survive with very limited sponsorship dollars.

Look what has happened to GP since the induction of 4-strokes. It was an amazing revolution for a short time, but it has been marred by manufacturers and teams complaining about costs and excessive performance. Dorna would look extremely foolish if they created another 4 stroke series without putting regulations in place to avoid unintended consequences.

Spec engine is not ideal, but it is easiest and cheapest.

I agree with Lex and would add that DORNA wants Moto2 to be a participant's series and not a manufacturer's series. Even this year there are only a couple of (Honda) teams that mention the manufacturer in their teams names - contrast to the premiere 800s where every team name (except Hayate) includes the manufacturer. DORNA is angling towards a series in which manufacturers (large or small) play a support role to the main draw - the riders and teams.

People can participate on track days and club racing and national level racing. This is a world championship for gods sake. There has to be something premiere about it. True, 250 has no production intent but what actual pure race machine does.