Most improved bike after summer break?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (johnnyKO @ Aug 8 2008, 02:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lol i've never really considered it that way, but I think honda could be considered the Yankees of MotoGP racing.
It is a joke of course,but i'm not sure what you mean" Yankees the fotball or baseballteam(I don't follow those sports) "or just "American"?

Double post ,sorry once again

Suzuki have to get their machine to be competitive it is still a damn hybrid.. Denning said there were changes coming at Brno and there better be. I am hoping for something big like an entirely new frame, aero package and ramped up motor output.

Kawasaki just can't get going. I thought they would suck but not this much.

Yamaha will remain the same and the bike is running beautifully anyway. Too risky to bump the hp up and risk a championship losing DNF. Reliability is the key for the next several races I would think.

I would just park the Duke and take a holiday. The bike is superb and they don't have huge pressure on them to win the title. Of course they want to but Honda and Yamaha have pressure. No worries as the Aussies say.

Honda have to get Pedrosa on the pneumatic valved bike if they want the championship. Hayden won't feel any pressure at all if he has signed with Ducati and may have a good year end. He's had enough bad luck. His bike should be race ready after the break.

So that is my late night ramble. I say Honda will be most improved but I hope Suzuki come to fight.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DomUK @ Aug 8 2008, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>They all have an electronics package you mean? I know that. I heard a rider discussing the ducati system on eurosport at the laguna seca race talking about the gps set up it had and therefore knowing where casey was and which corner and therefore how much TC to apply etc but I can't remember who it was now.

The Ducati system is off the shelf and is the same one the 1098R street bike has - it doesn't do half what the speculators say it does. It has become the Bogey Man of motogp, the talk just isn't realistic. The nuts outside area 50 whatever in Nevada looking for UFO's are talking about the Ducati system as well.

The bike to improve is the Kawasaki. They must have enough data now from the other bikes to work out what is good or bad and as soon as thy get Marco onboard and dump poor old out of his depth Westy they can make a few steps forward.

Suzuki on the other hand have been looking good but mostly that is CV showing himself to be a Laguna and wet weather specialist. No one spends more money than Honda so thewy have to have something in the bag (after all the 800 idea was their baby).

Yamaha and Ducati look sooooo good. Little improvements from each team could make big differences. Everything else is a battle for third.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Aug 8 2008, 04:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Ducati system is off the shelf and is the same one the 1098R street bike has - it doesn't do half what the speculators say it does. It has become the Bogey Man of motogp, the talk just isn't realistic. The nuts outside area 50 whatever in Nevada looking for UFO's are talking about the Ducati system as well.

The bike to improve is the Kawasaki. They must have enough data now from the other bikes to work out what is good or bad and as soon as thy get Marco onboard and dump poor old out of his depth Westy they can make a few steps forward.

Suzuki on the other hand have been looking good but mostly that is CV showing himself to be a Laguna and wet weather specialist. No one spends more money than Honda so thewy have to have something in the bag (after all the 800 idea was their baby).

Yamaha and Ducati look sooooo good. Little improvements from each team could make big differences. Everything else is a battle for third.
you can not be serious !

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Aug 8 2008, 04:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Ducati system is off the shelf and is the same one the 1098R street bike has - it doesn't do half what the speculators say it does. It has become the Bogey Man of motogp, the talk just isn't realistic.
I agree with you to an extent, and have argued previously that whilst ducati may have started with better electronics, or designed a bike and/or hired a rider more able to benefit from electronics, it seems likely the other manufacturers would have the same calibre of hardware and software available to them by now, particularly given that several of them have far greater resources than ducati.

However whatever the hardware on the roadbike it would seem extremely likely that the applications, sensor inputs etc which apparently may extend to track position aware engine mapping (not that I have seen specific confirmation of this for the ducati) are far more sophisticated for the racebike.

I am waiting for a Kawa to land a top 6 finish in one of the remaining races.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 8 2008, 07:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think honda. there not living up to there big H name and really need to pull there finger out.
.... me, I agree with you again. I'm off to kill myself.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Aug 7 2008, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not even if it comes in "Nicky Hayden" flavo<u>u</u>r?

I agree with you - many of us support a rider, but to pretend that any failings of that rider to achieve are due to unfair advantages of the others out there is pretty childish.
Nicky's Kool-Aid is the worst, mostly because if you drink it you have to be absolutely brain-dead. And I haven't moved yet, I can still spell things as improper as I like.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 7 2008, 03:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i think honda. there not living up to there big H name and really need to pull there finger out.
I'm sure they've been working with the data that Nicky's gathered for the pneumo and have made some tweaks but that's it. Pedrosa will get it and decide whether or not he likes it but I don't think it will be much improved from what Hayden was given. Which is a step up from the springer but that improvement was already made. If Pedrosa gets the pneumo does that count as a summer break improvement? What are the rules of this thread? Define 'improvement' and 'break'. Anyone? Bueller?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Anders GUZZI @ Aug 7 2008, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It is a joke of course,but i'm not sure what you mean" Yankees the fotball or baseballteam(I don't follow those sports) "or just "American"?
The baseball team. See Real Madrid.

Weren't Kawasaki supposed to be massively better this season? But then Hopkins got spit off and development stopped because Westy can't set up a GP bike much less develop one (no offense, I like Westy). Then he came back and made some improvements here and there, nothing earth shattering, but then the thing spit him off again and progress is at a halt again. It's hard to make your bike better when your riders are always either on the mend or incompetent (again, no offense). If Hopper can stay on the thing long enough to get some valuable data before it spits him again for the rest of the season and into close season testing then the ZX-RR may be a much stronger bike in 09. But I highly doubt it. And I highly doubt they can make any major developments for Brno with Hopkins on crutches.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ Aug 8 2008, 02:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>.... me, I agree with you again. I'm off to kill myself.
careful, this is how me and jumkie started

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy Roo @ Aug 8 2008, 04:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Ducati system is off the shelf and is the same one the 1098R street bike has - it doesn't do half what the speculators say it does.
Trust me, the 1098R system is a million miles from the 800GP bike system. Have a look at this.

The WSBK system may well use the MM software (a la 1098R), but if so it will be calibrated utterly differently.

i didn't think anything "off the shelf" was aloud to be uced in motogp. remember WCM getting booted out for it ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 8 2008, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i didn't think anything "off the shelf" was aloud to be uced in motogp. remember WCM getting booted out for it ?
yeah it may all be derived from motogp or similar but I can't believe it would be the same.

Most improved bike after summer, mine

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Aug 8 2008, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nicky's Kool-Aid is the worst, mostly because if you drink it you have to be absolutely brain-dead. And I haven't moved yet, I can still spell things as improper as I like.


I'm sure they've been working with the data that Nicky's gathered for the pneumo and have made some tweaks but that's it. Pedrosa will get it and decide whether or not he likes it but I don't think it will be much improved from what Hayden was given. Which is a step up from the springer but that improvement was already made. If Pedrosa gets the pneumo does that count as a summer break improvement? What are the rules of this thread? Define 'improvement' and 'break'. Anyone? Bueller?


The baseball team. See Real Madrid.

Weren't Kawasaki supposed to be massively better this season? But then Hopkins got spit off and development stopped because Westy can't set up a GP bike much less develop one (no offense, I like Westy). Then he came back and made some improvements here and there, nothing earth shattering, but then the thing spit him off again and progress is at a halt again. It's hard to make your bike better when your riders are always either on the mend or incompetent (again, no offense). If Hopper can stay on the thing long enough to get some valuable data before it spits him again for the rest of the season and into close season testing then the ZX-RR may be a much stronger bike in 09. But I highly doubt it. And I highly doubt they can make any major developments for Brno with Hopkins on crutches.
OK,Baseball team,got it.
Thanks Austin.
I'm not really jeallous of the Kawasaki racing department with the mess they are in.They must have lost almost 6 months of developement on that screamer engine that never came.Then their main rider got bad injuries.But now they finally can make something happen so maybe they have tons of things piled up for Hopkins and West to evaluate.They are probarbly going to listen to Hopkins opinions alot more closely so if he crashes heavily in Brno Kawasaki GP is pretty much screwed for 2008.If they aren't already.

Hopkins is getting spat off because he is a tryer. He puts the effort in and is willing to risk injury because of that.
That is why I like the guy. So what if the results aren't there? Not everyone can get results. But not everyone trys as hard as Hopper.
He WILL get good results on that bike, it's just a matter of time.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Aug 8 2008, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hopkins is getting spat off because he is a tryer. He puts the effort in and is willing to risk injury because of that.
That is why I like the guy. So what if the results aren't there? Not everyone can get results. But not everyone trys as hard as Hopper.
He WILL get good results on that bike, it's just a matter of time.
He tries pretty hard when on the bike, I don't think there's anyone out there consistently overriding as much as Hopkins. This is just my own personal opinion and I have absolutely zero evidence to back this up but I feel like he has a bit of Bostrom syndrome. Focused at the track. Off it, he could be anywhere doing anything.