melandri and ducati

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(skidmark @ Dec 9 2007, 06:19 PM) [snapback]103914[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I'd love to see Marco get on with the Ducati but it really isn't a promising start. Ducati probably aren't all that happy either, they give him the bike that won the title and he can't ride it, more than that he's given a list of things that, in his opinion, need changed. Sound familiar? The super supple and forgiving Gresini 990 was exremely flattering to Melandri, whilst the taut and fickle M1 and the inadequate Gresini 800 were most definately not. Marco's initial form on the all-conquering factory Ducati, especially on the B'stones he's so used to, says more of Stoner than Marco. If Honda don't bring it next year, Nicky should start waving his flag, he's got wins ahead of him on the right bike.


How many 250 titles did stoner win ? Thats right .... all. He did not have his belovid TC and engine mapping to help him out.
How rude skidmark !!! have some respect.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dion @ Dec 30 2007, 07:06 AM) [snapback]105451[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
How many 250 titles did stoner win ? Thats right .... all. He did not have his belovid TC and engine mapping to help him out.
How rude skidmark !!! have some respect.


Who cares how many 250 titles he didn't win! That is a totally irrelevant statement!

Talk about showing respect ... how about you practice what you preach! Give Casey some credit ... he rode what he had better than everybody else rode what they had ... actually make that better by a LONG way! Did Marco not have TC and engine mapping last year ... and the year before ... and the year before that?!

BTW, I like MM and the way he rides!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krusty @ Dec 30 2007, 09:40 AM) [snapback]105460[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
BTW, I like MM and the way he rides!


Same here ....... and I'm kinda affeared the Ducati thing is not going to work for Marco ..... hope I'm wrong.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krusty @ Dec 29 2007, 11:40 PM) [snapback]105460[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Who cares how many 250 titles he didn't win! That is a totally irrelevant statement!

Talk about showing respect ... how about you practice what you preach! Give Casey some credit ... he rode what he had better than everybody else rode what they had ... actually make that better by a LONG way! Did Marco not have TC and engine mapping last year ... and the year before ... and the year before that?!

BTW, I like MM and the way he rides!

I kind of like Melandri's riding too ,it's an agressive style that Capirossi has.The thing that impresses me the most about Melandri though is his abillity to be fast eventhough he has broken bones and so on.Thinking of Laguna Seca this season for example.
As 250 result goes i don't know, and i don't think a whole lot of people know who really was the fast one because of the big difference in bikes in different teams.The clear difference and what every body was talking about was how factory Aprilia team bikes was faster than private Aprilia and definitly faster than any Honda on many tracks.
I'm not saying that Lorenzo isn't a very good rider,he sure seems to have the right mentality,and is ofcourse extremly talanted.
But what i am saying is ,it will be very interresting to see how Dovisioso will do in motogp.
He did really well i think considering what he rode in 2007.
Maybe it's the same deal with him as with Stoner.
If Dovisioso like it on the Honda he could be really fast,maybe the most successful rookie in 2008,who knows.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(krusty @ Dec 29 2007, 10:40 PM) [snapback]105460[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Who cares how many 250 titles he didn't win! That is a totally irrelevant statement!

Talk about showing respect ... how about you practice what you preach! Give Casey some credit ... he rode what he had better than everybody else rode what they had ... actually make that better by a LONG way! Did Marco not have TC and engine mapping last year ... and the year before ... and the year before that?!

BTW, I like MM and the way he rides!


Macro was the only one winning on non factory Honda these past couple seasons so he deserves alot of credit just for that.

we'll wait and see, i bet marco wont win a race, unless its a wet race he wins by bike change strategy like loris did in 07.

your only as good as your last race, and for people to harp on about 250 championship from 5 years ago makes me laugh.

there is a great commercial from gillete, where tiger woods, rodger federer say that they dont think about the past, what counts is today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4L3bm6m3KQ&feature=related

i can imagine marco's commercial. "yesterday is everything. dont think about today i will never win today, what counts is half a decade ago" LOL

Autosport... Guintoli on how to ride the Ducati

Take a look. We are getting a little bit more insight into how things are going for other riders suiting themselves to the big Duke.

I hope that Melandri can summon some old 250 majic or else he will be down the pack..... say it aint so....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Duc999 @ Dec 31 2007, 06:29 PM) [snapback]105543[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Autosport... Guintoli on how to ride the Ducati

Take a look. We are getting a little bit more insight into how things are going for other riders suiting themselves to the big Duke.

I hope that Melandri can summon some old 250 majic or else he will be down the pack..... say it aint so....


Obviously Guintoli was a 'lying dog' (I wonder which forum member said that?), we all know it's down to Casey being the bestest ever.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Duc999 @ Dec 31 2007, 10:29 AM) [snapback]105543[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Autosport... Guintoli on how to ride the Ducati

Take a look. We are getting a little bit more insight into how things are going for other riders suiting themselves to the big Duke.

I hope that Melandri can summon some old 250 majic or else he will be down the pack..... say it aint so....


I'm quite happy to hear the Stoner rides a modified point and shoot. Anyone with any inkling of mechanical knowledge knows point and shoot is fastest on the traditional bike design (passive suspension while the bike is pitched on its side). I hope he continues to spoon feed Pedrosa humble pie until both of their careers are finished (but it does look like Pedro is modifying his style a bit).

Good for Casey. He is a riding genius. Now if he could just work on the issue of race management.

If the Duc is good for point and shoot why did Barros struggle? And why the hell didn't Hayden sign up for being the new Lawson?

wasnt marco the 250 king half a decade ago?

loris the 250king over a decade ago

comon dont give up on them just yet. lol

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pinky @ Dec 31 2007, 11:45 PM) [snapback]105561[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
wasnt marco the 250 king half a decade ago?

loris the 250king over a decade ago

comon dont give up on them just yet. lol


The 250s seem harder to ride than the 800s... apart from being faster thats about it.

If Motogp falls flat again next year, i'll be watching Bautista

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Duc999 @ Jan 1 2008, 05:29 AM) [snapback]105543[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Autosport... Guintoli on how to ride the Ducati

Take a look. We are getting a little bit more insight into how things are going for other riders suiting themselves to the big Duke.

I hope that Melandri can summon some old 250 majic or else he will be down the pack..... say it aint so....


If Melandri can summon the way he rode at PI in 06 again ( he went with some flair and yet some wreckless abandon ) loved his ride there .... if he can wrestle and push the Duc around like he did the Honda in PI ( 06 ) he'll get there. Still reckon that was the best I have ever seen Melandri ride .... what a slide at the end ...... the bike was him and so he just excelled.

But I must admit it will be a hard call for Marco to keep that up for a whole season ...... even Stoner didn't seem to "have it" every round in 07 and he dominated that WC.

The Guintoli article says it all ..... funny thing is I can see Guintoli possesing the "wreckless abondon" ( needed for riding the Duc. ) moreso than Marco of recent.

I hope they do get up there on it ...... will make another good year for Duc. I guess .... even better than 07 ..... but really .... we can all say "Stoner is the best" .... or "Hayden is the best" .... or "Pedrosa is the best" .... or Rossi is the best" ...... but that kinda discounts that someone is going to come through and even surpass say Stoners performance of 07 .......

08 is going to be a great year for motogp and early will be interesting .....

Lorenzo, Dovi, Toseland, De Angelis ....... who knows how they will go .... if any one of them get an early win .... could be a new ... new kid on the block.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BarryMachine @ Jan 1 2008, 03:33 AM) [snapback]105575[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
If Melandri can summon the way he rode at PI in 06 again ( he went with some flair and yet some wreckless abandon ) loved his ride there .... if he can wrestle and push the Duc around like he did the Honda in PI ( 06 ) he'll get there. Still reckon that was the best I have ever seen Melandri ride .... what a slide at the end ...... the bike was him and so he just excelled.


Been looking over Melandri's results and he usually finishes the races higher than he qualifies.. so a bad test might not be the end for him.

But hes not gonna change his style to Stoners just because that works for him.

Well after hearing Stoners comments at the Wroom thingo for Ducati .... I'm kinda raising my hopes for Melandri a bit more. Stoner basically said he himself went crap in the first test of the Duc. but come race time was ready.

Here's hoping for Melandri anyway. The Duc. Team looks great this year Stoner and Melandri seem a good couple of riders.

I'm not too optimistic that Melandri will provide competition for Stoner if the Ducati is once again the unbeatable force (when ridden by someone with the proper skill set).

However, when you look at his times he is usually about a second slow. Capi was generally .5 to 1 second slow all season. These are Melandri's first rides on the Duc, and unlike Capi, Melandri doesn't have old school Ducati muscle memory.

Long and short, Melandri SHOULD be able to improve significantly throughout the season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dion @ Dec 29 2007, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How many 250 titles did stoner win ? Thats right .... all. He did not have his belovid TC and engine mapping to help him out.
How rude skidmark !!! have some respect. really Dion, did I strike a nerve there? Who's talking 250's anyway? What is it that annoyed you so much about my opinion? You shouldn't take it so seriously, we've all got our own ideas. I thought I summed it up correctly, did I not? If everything ain't 100% on the day for Marco, expect '.... all' as you put it. I love to see the guy at the front all the time but that ain't the way it is, see.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (krusty @ Dec 29 2007, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Who cares how many 250 titles he didn't win! That is a totally irrelevant statement!

Talk about showing respect ... how about you practice what you preach! Give Casey some credit ... he rode what he had better than everybody else rode what they had ... actually make that better by a LONG way! Did Marco not have TC and engine mapping last year ... and the year before ... and the year before that?!

BTW, I like MM and the way he rides!well put Krusty!


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jan 9 2008, 04:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Long and short, Melandri SHOULD be able to improve significantly throughout the season.I hope you're right, my gut tells me of all the Ducati riders after Casey, Guintoli will be getting a lot of airtime on here once the season starts, I was very impressed with the way he conducted himself last year, I just like the guy, he's a battler.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Jan 9 2008, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I hope you're right, my gut tells me of all the Ducati riders after Casey, Guintoli will be getting a lot of airtime on here once the season starts, I was very impressed with the way he conducted himself last year, I just like the guy, he's a battler.

I feel the same. I can't wait to see Elias back the Duc into the corners, but instinct tells me when Guinters finds a rhythm, he will be the better of the two.

Besides, the last guy to hit a Duc rider and end his career was Stoner (he hit Gibby). They say history repeats itself so Guintoli is in a good position.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Jan 10 2008, 05:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I feel the same. I can't wait to see Elias back the Duc into the corners, but instinct tells me when Guinters finds a rhythm, he will be the better of the two.

Besides, the last guy to hit a Duc rider and end his career was Stoner (he hit Gibby). They say history repeats itself so Guintoli is in a good position.


I think Elias will be the surprise out of the new Duc riders.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Jan 9 2008, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Elias will be the surprise out of the new Duc riders.
Ah the dark horse.

I hope so, because he's the only Spanish rider I like and Spain, for all there support of this sport, deserve a worthy man to cheer for--unlike that other Spanish .... bird. Not to mention that new one coming to the series that rather plant a flag in dedication to his over-grown ego instead of the nation's flag of his birth.