Melandri ain't pleased with Honda

Marco should keep it shut, or he might be boicotted by Honda and end up riding in SBK.

Yes. But at least these guys got the right translation of the original ie the one on Marco's website.
Have you read the article on motogp.com????????
http://www.motogp.com/en/motogp/motogp_new..._id=3&section=1

I was just about to start an 'I HATE MOTOGP.COM' thread on here....letting you see the correspondence I've had with them today regarding precisely this. Believe me, if you think the crash.net thing is bad, you should see what they 'quote' him as saying on motogp.com.

I agree he could be getting himself into trouble..but he just says it like he feels it.

well i believe he is good mates with rossi so mabe a switch to yam is on the cards.
i agree with teo,he better watch what he says out load.

How many of you guys here actually go onto his website and read what he writes for himself??

I think a lot of these problems these bikes have are magnified in the riders head because they are so far behind Rossi in sheer talent.Rarely will you have a perfect bike,but deep inside the other riders know that is what it will take to beat him.As far as leaving Honda,thats usually not a good move.It worked for Rossi because he is Rossi,but he has not been anywhere near as dominant on the Yamaha as he was on the Honda.He has had to fight for wins instead of the 7-8 second wins that were common on the Honda.I would be willing to bet Rossi and Burgess could take Melandri's bike and within a month win on it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Mar 29 2007, 10:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Believe me, if you think the crash.net thing is bad, you should see what they 'quote' him as saying on motogp.com. I am confused. the motogp.com version seems more sanitized than the crash article.


Honda 's strategy has been to throw a lot of bikes on the track. Right now they have 6 bikes and provide the engine to another. Yamaha has 4, the other manufacturers have 3 or less. The problem with having so many bikes is that they cannot give enough attention to all the bikes (especially with Hayden wanting a new clutch, crankshat moved etc -- just kidding guys) They focus on one or two riders for feedback and use that to develop the bike. Right now those two are probably Pedrosa and Hayden. Marco should stop complaining and atleast try to beat his teamate Elias first before spouting off against Honda. He is beginning to sound like Biaggi too.

No manufacturer likes a rider badmouthing their bikes. If he continues he will be kicked to the curb like Biaggi. Honda made the mistake of giving him a ride even though he was bad mouthing Yamaha. The moment he got on his dream ride -- a works honda -- he starts blaming them for his failure to beat Rossi. I don't think any manufacturer will make that mistake again.

Point to note:

The Honda artuicle was written by Melandri on his on-line diary immediately following the race. Subsquently he was quite happy with the Jerez post race test where he had the quicket times and had this to say, "I'm happy because today we made a step forward with the setting of the bike," claimed Marco. "We tested some different solutions to improve the feeling with the front and changed the weight balance. We found some interesting solutions and I look confident to the next GP. We also did some tyre testing and in the end we tested two qualifying [tyres] because I need to improve in this area. I look forward to Istanbul with optimism.""

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Mar 29 2007, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I am confused. the motogp.com version seems more sanitized than the crash article.
Motogp "Quotes" Marco as saying 'he's not interested in what the problem is" and also quotes Marco as saying something like "Why will they not spend money on me" crap which is not what he says at all.

And yeah...the original wasn't very pretty I'm afraid. ALthough I do suggest you read the whole thing in its entirety to grasp the spirit in which it all was said (written actually).

What I meant was simply that the motogp one was in actual fact wrongly translated.
An example:
Proper translation: "I just told my crew, sadly in a bad way although I later apologized, that for tomorrow's test, I don't care how where and why, but I want a radical change on the front to try out because we just can't go on like this."
The Motogp.com version:
"Finding out where and and why the problems happened doesn't interest me but what I want is a radical change in the front end because it is nearly impossible to go forward."
Hardly the same thing!!!! Not only out of context, but also badly translated. How do you think people, fans and sponsors will react to a rider saying he's not interested in his problems?

Another example...quite atrocious this:

The proper transtlation:
Have you ever asked yourselves why Yamaha started winning with Valentino??Maybe because they told themselves: Damn with all the money we spent to get him…could it be the case of spending some more to do everything he asks???


The motogp version:
"Has anyone ever asked themselves why Yamaha only started to win with Valentino? Perhaps becaue they realised that they spent a lot of money on him...so why isn't it the case that money is spent to help me do everything that I ask for?"

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What da f$& was THAT all about???

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Mar 29 2007, 06:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well i believe he is good mates with rossi so mabe a switch to yam is on the cards.
i agree with teo,he better watch what he says out load.
+1

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Mar 29 2007, 07:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The Honda artuicle was written by Melandri on his on-line diary immediately following the race.

Yes I am perfectly aware of that crvlvr.

And I know what you mean. He shouldn't go around being quite so blatantly pissed off at Honda. I wasn't defending that at all!!
All I said was motogp.com made a pig's ear out of it, making it seem, in my opinion, even worse than it was.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Mar 29 2007, 07:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Subsquently he was quite happy with the Jerez post race test where he had the quicket times and had this to say, "I'm happy because today we made a step forward with the setting of the bike," claimed Marco. "We tested some different solutions to improve the feeling with the front and changed the weight balance. We found some interesting solutions and I look confident to the next GP. We also did some tyre testing and in the end we tested two qualifying [tyres] because I need to improve in this area. I look forward to Istanbul with optimism.""
Yes I'm perfectly aware of that too. He's normally quite a chirpy and upbeat kid. Hopefully his bad mood will blow over soon.

I think melandri is a great up and coming rider, with a decent bike underneath him I reckon he's in with a good chance of winning the champion ship, who knows what would have happened last season if he hadn't had that crash!

Personally I'd like to see him on a Ducati

Not good! He is breaking the cardinal rule of any competitive sport wether individual or team. You never air your dirty laundry in public, things like that should remain in-house. Secondly you never, ever, complain directly about the sacred bull (Honda). All Melandri fans should watch him race as much as possible. I suspect that even as I am typing this post a top Honda executive is travelling to Iga mountain to engage the services of one of the Iga ninja clan assassins to "fix" Melandri's problems. Rest in peace Marco you will be missed.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Mar 29 2007, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think a lot of these problems these bikes have are magnified in the riders head because they are so far behind Rossi in sheer talent.Rarely will you have a perfect bike,but deep inside the other riders know that is what it will take to beat him.As far as leaving Honda,thats usually not a good move.It worked for Rossi because he is Rossi,but he has not been anywhere near as dominant on the Yamaha as he was on the Honda.He has had to fight for wins instead of the 7-8 second wins that were common on the Honda.I would be willing to bet Rossi and Burgess could take Melandri's bike and within a month win on it.

Just the Stats to it… Rossi used to win by several seconds or catch up from running off track or even under 10 seconds penalties more than once!

2000 – Honda – 2 wins (Rookie).
2001 – Honda – 11 wins (Satellite Team).
2002 – Honda – 11 wins (Official Team).
2003 – Honda – 9 wins (Official Team).
2004 – Yamaha – 9 wins (Officially crappy bike).
2005 – Yamaha – 11 wins (Official Team).
2006 – Yamaha – 5 wins (Official messed up).
2007 – Yamaha – 1 win so far…

To me the most impressive still is 11 wins on a Satellite Team!


Anyway, about the Topic, my only and greatest doubt would be: Why does Honda keep promising Factory Support to Satellite Riders (I can count a few like Biaggi, Barros, Tamada, Gibernua, etc. and more recently Melandri) if they’re not going to fulfill? Just don’t promise it! They just think MotoGP revolves around them my guess. I would be angry too!

eh someone had to take over the role of complaining since Max left.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Mar 29 2007, 09:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree he could be getting himself into trouble..but he just says it like he feels it.
I will keep this in mind when another certain American rider speaks his mind.

I may add, the rationalizations and defense of Marco's comments were quiet more impressive than the other rationalizations and defense I read from another poster coming to the rescue of another Italian rider doing poorly. At very least the defense was not started with a shot at another rider.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Mar 29 2007, 10:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not good! He is breaking the cardinal rule of any competitive sport wether individual or team. You never air your dirty laundry in public, things like that should remain in-house. Secondly you never, ever, complain directly about the sacred bull (Honda). All Melandri fans should watch him race as much as possible. I suspect that even as I am typing this post a top Honda executive is travelling to Iga mountain to engage the services of one of the Iga ninja clan assassins to "fix" Melandri's problems. Rest in peace Marco you will be missed.

Haha, very funny. But I think Marco is brave for coming out and speaking his mind. But I guess "brave" can get you killed just the same. Good thing he is very well liked, I think if he were a certain somebody else they might have ate the guy alive. (ah, double standards are fun) Kinda reminds me of poor old Biaggi, he had similar complaints, but he didn't get much of a rescue for his comments.

I like Marco, hell I spent close to a year meticulously painting a Spiderman replica of his on my bike. How's that for liking a guy.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ogunski @ Mar 29 2007, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not good! He is breaking the cardinal rule of any competitive sport wether individual or team. You never air your dirty laundry in public, things like that should remain in-house. Secondly you never, ever, complain directly about the sacred bull (Honda). All Melandri fans should watch him race as much as possible. I suspect that even as I am typing this post a top Honda executive is travelling to Iga mountain to engage the services of one of the Iga ninja clan assassins to "fix" Melandri's problems. Rest in peace Marco you will be missed.


It seems to me...if he speaks out he gets shafted. If he doesn't speak out he gets shafted anyway.
He's making himself look like a whining brat to be kicked aside (ah..the world of superbike beckons). But if he makes no noise, who's gonna listen? We have a saying which translated more or less says "A baby that doesn't cry won't get a ..." If you make no demands, you won't get a thing. Certainly he's not doing a great job out of it at the moment and I certainly believe his potential is far more than he's showing right now so I feel bad for him.
I guess he wanted some attention. Well for better or worse he's certainly gotten it now. I just hope turning down Ducati wasn't a career-wrecking move.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Racejumkie @ Mar 30 2007, 02:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But I think Marco is brave for coming out and speaking his mind. But I guess "brave" can get you killed just the same. Good thing he is very well liked, I think if he were a certain somebody else they might have ate the guy alive. (ah, double standards are fun)Yep I think the guy deserves credit for telling it like it is. The difference is with Biaggi is he always cried his eyes out no matter what bike he was on, it was never good enough.

But back to Marco, the guy can win and consistently get on the podium if he feels good with what he's riding. He's obviously looking at Stoner, Edwards, Capirossi and Pedrosa and thinking he can beat all those guys on his day but because he's limited by the bike/package he's got, he can't get near them. He hasn't been given what he was promised so what could be easier to understand? If you're screwed already then why not square up to Honda? I say good on him. Could Melandri perform better than say Edwards on a Yamaha or Capi on the Ducati? I'd say very possibly. If Honda do nothing extra to help him right now then he's no worse off than he was anyway and he'll be looking to see if he can get on a Ducati or Yam next year. With the rumour that Toseland's manager has been talking to motogp teams and Ten Kate considering running a sattelite Honda team and the ensuing musical chairs that will follow, it could be wise for Marco to voice his frustrations with Honda. If he puts it out that he wants to leave team Gresini, the phone will ring. I don't think Honda will look to harshly on Marco for what he's said, and I can't see them leaving him to fester at the crappy end of the top ten. He's not the only guy complaining about the Honda's vague front end, he's just the first to spit the dummy because of it, expext Hayden to follow soon. Cue moronic Hayden/baby/dummy jokes...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Mar 29 2007, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I wasn't defending that at all!!
All I said was motogp.com made a pig's ear out of it, making it seem, in my opinion, even worse than it was.

it's typical "MCN style" sensationalised ........ reporting - I would expect better from MotoGP.com who as far as I'm concerned have a duty to tell it how it is and not resort to hamming things up just to make it all a bit more interesting.

i've seen loads of examples where ive actually watched the interview live on Eurosport and then when i come to read the 'transcript' of the same thing in MCN or other rags, it's completely taken out of context.

anyway, why shouldn't Marco speak out ? if his bike is ..... - it's ....., and why should he pretend otherwise ? Unlike Biaggi - Marco will persevere and do the best he can where as Biaggi would just park the bike up and go home.