Marquez out for another 2-3 months

Bern1 · Aug 22, 2020

Well, this certainly puts the season in a new light. There appears understandably to be much information being withheld from the public.

Another warning shot regarding the longevity and sustainability of a career and the choices made. When to hold and when to fold.

It’s refreshing to see the young guns all going for it but I certainly look forward to seeI got MM back at full strength and how the field sorts out then.

I hope it happens.

MigsAngel · Aug 22, 2020

Nakagami should replace MM at Repsol least until MM returns....they can out Bradl at LCR.
And Repsol needs to start looking beyond MM, and Pol isnt the answer nor is Alex M.

Woodstock · Aug 25, 2020

I like and respect Marquez but it is much more interesting without him at the moment. It’s hard to say who will win the championship this year. Still, obviously I hope he is better soon!

michaelm · Aug 26, 2020

Woodstock said:
I like and respect Marquez but it is much more interesting without him at the moment. It’s hard to say who will win the championship this year. Still, obviously I hope he is better soon!

Sure, these guys can do no more than compete against those who are on the grid to race them. But it is also the case that if MM is much better than the rest of the field then he is much better than them. This involves staying on the track, however.

misfit · Aug 26, 2020

michaelm said:
Sure, these guys can do no more than compete against those who are on the grid to race them. But it is also the case that if MM is much better than the rest of the field then he is much better than them. This involves staying on the track, however.

Couldn't agree more. His fall and injury had everything to do with his competing. He wasn't punted or anything. He crashed out while pushing really hard to catch the Yamahas.

It would have been VERY interesting to see how Marq would have gotten on with these tyres. Yes, he was quite quick in the first races, but so was Fabio on the Yamaha and look what's happening to Fabio.

Only Miller can claim some level of consistency since season's start and I know if there's anyone who could tame the tyres it would be Marquez, but I'd love to have witnessed his performance with them either way.

birdman · Aug 28, 2020

It’s bad news but it’s good news in reality. Honda, why let him ride? Because he had to know, he couldn’t give up without at least trying. A riders mental state, I presume, is actually more important than the physical. Mick Doohan said if he won in 92 he might of quit. He didn’t win 92, had something to prove to the world, and did it 5 years straight. I won’t say as a cripple because that’s disrespect, but his ankle was fused and he was at a disadvantage obviously.
I don’t pretend to know first hand Marquez’s motivation, all I know from media is he had to try for his own piece of mind, that he didn’t give up. I get that fully.

JPSLotus · Sep 4, 2020

birdman said:
It’s bad news but it’s good news in reality. Honda, why let him ride? Because he had to know, he couldn’t give up without at least trying. A riders mental state, I presume, is actually more important than the physical. Mick Doohan said if he won in 92 he might of quit. He didn’t win 92, had something to prove to the world, and did it 5 years straight. I won’t say as a cripple because that’s disrespect, but his ankle was fused and he was at a disadvantage obviously.
I don’t pretend to know first hand Marquez’s motivation, all I know from media is he had to try for his own piece of mind, that he didn’t give up. I get that fully.

Marc has a lot to prove next season now. How far above the competition he is should be clear now given the general competitiveness of the field. With that much skill and a desire to prove the crash didn't make him weak, he's going to be one very difficult customer in 2021.

danski · Sep 5, 2020

A lot will depend on how the inactivity will affect his mentality, it will take a lot of work to get the strength back in his arm. I still think there's more that we don't know about this injury, 2-3 months is a very long time for a clean arm break.

Keshav · Sep 5, 2020

danski said:
A lot will depend on how the inactivity will affect his mentality, it will take a lot of work to get the strength back in his arm. I still think there's more that we don't know about this injury, 2-3 months is a very long time for a clean arm break.

I'm sure he'll be doing tons of physical therapy between now and next season. And he's clearly not a guy who shies away from training. I reckon he'll be as determined, if not moreso, as ever to dominate. I would be truly shocked if he didn't come back strong as ever.

What I find myself wondering about, is how the Honda will change for next year. Will HRC be taking into account input from the current riders, or will they continue developing a bike that only Marquez can wrestle around the track? And how soon they'll be able to do testing with Marquez and how much will be allowed under rulebook regulations.

JPSLotus · Sep 5, 2020

Keshav said:
I'm sure he'll be doing tons of physical therapy between now and next season. And he's clearly not a guy who shies away from training. I reckon he'll be as determined, if not moreso, as ever to dominate. I would be truly shocked if he didn't come back strong as ever.

What I find myself wondering about, is how the Honda will change for next year. Will HRC be taking into account input from the current riders, or will they continue developing a bike that only Marquez can wrestle around the track? And how soon they'll be able to do testing with Marquez and how much will be allowed under rulebook regulations.

Having looked at some of the training videos he's posted in the past on social media, his training regimen under normal circumstances is very impressive not even factoring in his dirt bike training. Slight side note, I think he'd be very competitive if he decided to ever try his hand at MX. For a rider that competitive, not being able to ride right now I'm certain is eating him up every day in spite of him being all smiles for photographs. Do we get a Mick Doohan redux next year where he reels off a bunch of championships in a row? It's very possible, but we'll see.

In theory Honda should be trying to change the bike since they've pretty much been exposed as having designed an abysmal bike. Granted anyone with eyes should have been able to notice that bike has been a handful for any rider since 2015. But now that there are no meaningful results to be had for anyone riding a Honda, it shows how poor of a major factory motorcycle it's been. The Michelin rear slick design hasn't helped matters any further. So I'd have to guess they're at a crossroads with where to go regarding engineering. You have to design around that Michelin tire, but how much can you do with the V4 engine being the foundation is anyone's guess. Only drawback is does Michelin keep the same tire construct for 2021 or do they go in a different direction? So you're maybe trying to design a bike around a tire with a moving target for its design. Either way, they need to figure out very soon what the 2021 machine is going to have to look like. Probably why Bradl is filling in rather than anyone else; test rider. Crutchlow's input doesn't matter anymore since he's gone at the end of the season.

Keshav · Sep 5, 2020

Yeah . . . Marquez and Doohan both share that drive to dominate. Both are fearless in the face of injuries. Main difference is, Marquez' shoulder is both a much more delicate mechanism and more crucial to the operation of the bike.

michaelm · Sep 5, 2020

Keshav said:
Yeah . . . Marquez and Doohan both share that drive to dominate. Both are fearless in the face of injuries. Main difference is, Marquez' shoulder is both a much more delicate mechanism and more crucial to the operation of the bike.

The humerus as opposed to the clavicle is also fairly important as well though. To paraphrase misfit, I hope not too inaccurately, this is an atypical fracture due to a direct blow rather than a fracture along the lines of stress which heals along those lines, and which he may have re-fractured by riding the next race, and as JPS has also alluded to a speedy complete recovery is not as much a given as is commonly the case with a simple fracture.

Mrpurple · Sep 6, 2020

As much experience as HRC have in racing, why did no one stop him riding injured?

Spirit may be important but not as much as a working arm.

Big failure at the top.

Keshav · Sep 6, 2020

Mrpurple said:
As much experience as HRC have in racing, why did no one stop him riding injured?

Spirit may be important but not as much as a working arm.

Big failure at the top.

Much as it might sound cliche, the longtime perception of Japanese business culture is that they view all employees as tools to be used and disposed of as needed. Of course some tools are more useful than others, but still. I used to wonder if this was a Eurocentric or racist depiction of the culture, but having worked teaching a photo printing workshop for 9 years at an Asian arts collective and asking Japanese teachers there, I found that they very frankly supported this view.

Segfault · Sep 6, 2020

But employees are assets for business, no different than other assets. When value of an asset goes down it has to be replaced, anything else would be wrong business-wise. It is the socialist fantasy world where they have lost the common sense, mix politics into business and then wonder why the overall prosperity goes down and whole nations go bankrupt. That's the law of nature, and man gets beaten every time when he wants to cheat on nature. Because unlike manmade laws the laws of nature cannot be infringed.

michaelm · Sep 6, 2020

I doubt anyone including Honda gets to tell MM what to do.

Keshav · Sep 6, 2020

Segfault said:
But employees are assets for business, no different than other assets. When value of an asset goes down it has to be replaced, anything else would be wrong business-wise. It is the socialist fantasy world where they have lost the common sense, mix politics into business and then wonder why the overall prosperity goes down and whole nations go bankrupt. That's the law of nature, and man gets beaten every time when he wants to cheat on nature. Because unlike manmade laws the laws of nature cannot be infringed.

That's exactly how they view it. The Rossi tool goes bad, replace it with a Hayden tool until the Pedrosa tool is properly adjusted and what the heck, the budget is sound, lets supplement the project with a Dovizioso tool until we can buy a Stoner tool etc. etc. etc. The rest I'd happily discuss with you. I love talking politics, but this is just not the place for it. It's never appreciated on forum. And that's putting it mildly.

Mick D · Sep 7, 2020

Segfault said:
But employees are assets for business, no different than other assets. When value of an asset goes down it has to be replaced, anything else would be wrong business-wise.

Oh yeah... tell me about it.

One of my best employees for the preceding 5 yrs went off the deep end for the better part of a year because of non-work-related issues. Once everything sorted itself he was back in top form and the best anywhere at what he does.

He WAS NOT just another asset which, when it "goes down", needed to be replaced. He was an incredibly talented and motivated individual who went through life, like all humans. If I had used your ...... business 101 above and "replaced" him my business wouldn't have had anywhere near the growth, success, and equity it had with that employee.

danski · Sep 8, 2020

An expert physiotherapist and osteopath assumes that the unsatisfactory results of Marc Márquez's second operation extend the times of his recovery

Marc Marquez's recovery is getting complicated and times are getting longer. If he had initially tried to get back on track just a few days after his fracture, now the Cabroncito had to give up and throw in the towel at least for the 2020. season. But it's not at all said that the reigning world champion will recover the perfect arm functionality not even on the championship finale.

A Spanish physiotherapist and osteopathic expert, Ruben Garcia Ruiz, who analyzed what happened at number 93: " The first operation

was a success and, although he seemed to have the Terminator's arm, having seen him do the pushups three days after surgery I was as stunned as anyone else ", admits to the microphones of the MotoRaceNation specialized site. " Obviously a professional athlete always has to fight to recover as soon as possible, but what we saw Marquez do was inhuman ".

But precisely this decision to force, in vain, recovery times are at the root of successive complications: "The humerus has been subjected to significant stress that led to a re-operation, which did not go well ", explains Dr. Ruiz. "We saw a picture of Marquez with a cast covering his right arm up to the first finger of his hand. And that picture tells us a lot: if re-operation was normal, that cast shouldn't have gone there, at best up to the elbow or a little lower".

Marquez second surgery failed

The Iberian doctor says that the new operation Marquez was subjected to had an unsatisfactory outcome: "I have a riskier hypothesis: the second surgery may not have gone as well as desired. The truth is that all the stress the bone has been subjected to doesn't make it easy to reposition everything in the right conditions". And for this reason it will take a long time before Marc is back in perfect shape: " Marquez will have a lot of effort to recover his elbow ", concludes Dr. Ruiz." And even if they allow him to try the 2021 prototype before the end of the season, what possible, in my opinion he should refuse, to have time to complete consolidation. If there is an important articulation for a rider, it is that of the elbow, since all the strength you need to carry the motorcycle passes through there ".

michaelm · Sep 8, 2020

danski said:
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An expert physiotherapist and osteopath assumes that the unsatisfactory results of Marc Márquez's second operation extend the times of his recovery

Marc Marquez's recovery is getting complicated and times are getting longer. If he had initially tried to get back on track just a few days after his fracture, now the Cabroncito had to give up and throw in the towel at least for the 2020. season. But it's not at all said that the reigning world champion will recover the perfect arm functionality not even on the championship finale.

A Spanish physiotherapist and osteopathic expert, Ruben Garcia Ruiz, who analyzed what happened at number 93: " The first operation

was a success and, although he seemed to have the Terminator's arm, having seen him do the pushups three days after surgery I was as stunned as anyone else ", admits to the microphones of the MotoRaceNation specialized site. " Obviously a professional athlete always has to fight to recover as soon as possible, but what we saw Marquez do was inhuman ".

But precisely this decision to force, in vain, recovery times are at the root of successive complications: "The humerus has been subjected to significant stress that led to a re-operation, which did not go well ", explains Dr. Ruiz. "We saw a picture of Marquez with a cast covering his right arm up to the first finger of his hand. And that picture tells us a lot: if re-operation was normal, that cast shouldn't have gone there, at best up to the elbow or a little lower".

Marquez second surgery failed

The Iberian doctor says that the new operation Marquez was subjected to had an unsatisfactory outcome: "I have a riskier hypothesis: the second surgery may not have gone as well as desired. The truth is that all the stress the bone has been subjected to doesn't make it easy to reposition everything in the right conditions". And for this reason it will take a long time before Marc is back in perfect shape: " Marquez will have a lot of effort to recover his elbow ", concludes Dr. Ruiz." And even if they allow him to try the 2021 prototype before the end of the season, what possible, in my opinion he should refuse, to have time to complete consolidation. If there is an important articulation for a rider, it is that of the elbow, since all the strength you need to carry the motorcycle passes through there ".

Yep, thanks for that. Your translation or Google’s ?. Either way quite comprehensible.

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