Lorenzo robbed at Brno. Was he really?

JKant · Sep 19, 2016

Finish line said:
found the video on youtube in case you don't believe me.

Ahh.. thanks.

Been scouring the web trying to find this. And I do feel silly now having seen that.

I just found it very hard to accept that Lorenzo could just get on and ride away without taking half a second to point out the issue to his crew. He was fortunate that the guy picked it out. Unless its SOP to give the bike a once over immediately on switching. That said, he did finish the race without points making it a moot point.

JPSLotus · Sep 19, 2016

JKant said:
Ahh.. thanks. Been scouring the web trying to find this. And I do feel silly now having seen that.

I just found it very hard to accept that Lorenzo could just ride away without pointing out the issue to his crew.

He was fortunate that the guy picked it out. Or maybe not since he did finish the race without points making it a moot point.

Lorenzo never would have gotten back on the 1st bike if they didn't change that tire. Or if they didn't change it, he would have felt the same thing and gotten right off the bike. He's not stupid, and there is no way he would ever put himself at risk.

The other thing to remember about Lorenzo in particular, is that over the years, he has become an unloved figure by many because of his tendencies that err more towards the Casey Stoner side of things. Meaning, that his brutal honesty, and dry sense of humor have no place in a paddock obsessed with rewarding men who conduct themselves more like Valentino Rossi. In spite of all of that, he has always been one of the most upfront, and straightforward riders out there. He would not have made up a story about his front tire. It's not in his character to do something like that. Rossi perhaps, but not Lorenzo.

JKant · Sep 19, 2016

JPSLotus said:
Lorenzo never would have gotten back on the 1st bike if they didn't change that tire. Or if they didn't change it, he would have felt the same thing and gotten right off the bike. He's not stupid, and there is no way he would ever put himself at risk.

That would explain all the delay and gesticulation when he returned. He must have been verifying the tire switch.

Ideally speaking, when he came in the first time round, instead of elbowing his mechanics out of the way he'd should have pointed to his tire or.. perhaps kicked it before getting on the other bike, secure in the knowledge that it'd be fixed by the time he got back.

The other thing to remember about Lorenzo in particular, is that over the years, he has become an unloved figure by many because of his tendencies that err more towards the Casey Stoner side of things. Meaning, that his brutal honesty, and dry sense of humor have no place in a paddock obsessed with rewarding men who conduct themselves more like Valentino Rossi. In spite of all of that, he has always been one of the most upfront, and straightforward riders out there. He would not have made up a story about his front tire. It's not in his character to do something like that. Rossi perhaps, but not Lorenzo.

I'll take your word for it. I haven't been following the sport as long as you folks. Not very familiar with the off-track part though I think I'm getting a general picture.

JPSLotus · Sep 19, 2016

JKant said:
That would explain all the delay and gesticulation when he returned. He must have been verifying the tire switch.

Ideally speaking, when he came in the first time round, instead of elbowing his mechanics out of the way he'd should have pointed to his tire or.. perhaps kicked it before getting on the other bike, secure in the knowledge that it'd be fixed by the time he got back.

I'll take your word for it. I haven't been following the sport as long as you folks. Not very familiar with the off-track part though I think I'm getting a general picture.

I think he rolled the dice on the slicks to see if it might be feasible. The M1 has an issue where it's either full wets or slicks. Intermediates are not a viable option for the bike. But at any rate, he finally took off after the second pit stop when he got the thumbs up.

Gaz · Sep 19, 2016

JKant said:
As you can see from my first post, I never disputed the fact that he had a tire failure. Just when it happened. There's no time stamp on the pic.

And what strikes me there is - if you want your tire changed, why wouldn't you point it out when you're switching bikes? Especially since your team has just 3 min to get a 1.5 min job done.

Because your job is to race and as the rider you place the utmost trust in your team to see the obvious and act accordingly.

The delaminated tyre was obvious once the 'fluster' of the pit change had occurred and the team acted.

It is a race and every second lost in the pits is a second lost on track, so no rider will stand there and have a discussion with the crew when they are still trying to race.

yamfan said:
Honestly this is typical of the treatment Lorenzo et al get from some folks. If he says something, he's either lying or whinging excuses according to them.
If Rossi was making these statements etc, it'd be believed absolutely and the minions would be banging the drum to spread the word tar and wide.

Absolutely.

It is not what is said, but who says it and it has been this way for years now ............... if only I could pinpoint when it started

Jumkie said:
Can you imagine the uproar if Lorenzo had podium and Rossi's tire chunked? Oh lord, there'd be hell to pay.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

Now now Jumkie, you well know what happened the last time Rossi got a batch of bad tyres .............

birdman · Sep 19, 2016

JKant said:
Ideally speaking, when he came in the first time round, instead of elbowing his mechanics out of the way he'd should have pointed to his tire or.. perhaps kicked it before getting on the other bike, secure in the knowledge that it'd be fixed by the time he got back.

Lorenzo didn't actually know for sure the tire had chunked, just a strange vibration/feeling from the front. Its not like he had a chance to pull over on track and check it out beforehand so he could explain it to his crew.

Once he goes in the pits he has only one option, to get on the other bike. He had nothing to lose by at least trying the slick. For example the gamble worked for Marquez in Germany when he destroyed his wets and was forced to pit.

Jumkie · Sep 19, 2016

JKant said:
Ahh.. thanks. Been scouring the web trying to find this. And I do feel silly now having seen that.
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Hey man, it's all good. It takes character to admit when one was wrong or has made a mistake.

I'm just glad we avoided Armageddon.

(Vudu, you could learn a thing or five from Jkant.)

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

JPSLotus · Sep 19, 2016

Jumkie said:
Hey man, it's all good. It takes character to admit when one was wrong or has made a mistake.

I'm just glad we avoided Armageddon.

(Vudu, you could learn a thing or five from Jkant.)

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

Too bad Vudu has shown he is incapable of having character.

Then again, maybe we shouldn't be too hard on old Vudu...after all, if your hero is Valentino Rossi, I imagine character doesn't come easily.

Jumkie · Sep 19, 2016

Actually, I don't think Vudu realizes he's misguided. So you can't admit mistakes when you don't realize you're wrong. It's the beauty of faith. Things don't actually have to be true, it's enough to just believe it.

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

Jumkie · Sep 19, 2016

birdman said:
Lorenzo didn't actually know for sure the tire had chunked, just a strange vibration/feeling from the front. Its not like he had a chance to pull over on track and check it out beforehand so he could explain it to his crew.

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Spot on. (As usual).

If you live in a glass house, don't throw rocks.

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