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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ May 19 2008, 08:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Funny that - no one has seemed to mention this at all so far in regards to the yamaha. Just evening out the score from last year. The yamaha is quick, is stable under braking, switches direction with ease and works with both michelin and bridgestone. Seems like it's a damn good bike. Winner in 3 of the 5 races this year with lots of podiums as well.

And it seems only one person can ride the ducati.

+1 ... if a "cripple" can finish second and CE11 Jr third, it must be the bike that all the riders would prefer to be dropping their legs over.

Great win by Vale! He looks happy and he wins a lot when he is happy ... I suspect he's going to win a lot more races this year. He's now got his nose in front and I'm not expecting anyone to get in front of him in a hurry.

Bad luck for Casey ... he doesn't have lady luck on his side at the moment. He should take some positives out of this race though. He looked to be riding well. Marco's ride in China was an aberration it seems.

I can't ever remember seeing a chain come of a bike like it did for Hopper. Kawasaki have a lot of work to do. Monster must be regretting throwing their sponsorship money to team (....) green.

I expected Dani would win but he never challenged.

I'm glad CV finally had a half decent result.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (krusty @ May 19 2008, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>+1 ... if a "cripple" can finish second and CE11 Jr third, it must be the bike that all the riders would prefer to be dropping their legs over.
i see. so that's get this clear. when stoner wins its all down to him and not the bike yet when vale wins its down to the bike, your evidence of this is because 2 other world champions got a podium on the yam also all we need now is for barrymachine to come on here and back you up then we will have the full set

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ May 19 2008, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Obviously if you're saying I'm a Rossi hater than you have no idea. I've been a fan of Rossi since he came into GP's. Go READ some of my other posts.
In regards to Roger - he has nothing but contempt for Australian riders (and Australian mechanics for that matter) and I was just balancing out some of his views. I called some of the Rossi fans petty because they went crazy over what a 16 year old kid posted about Rossi. Get a grip!!
BTW - the yamaha is obviously the best bike out there. It wasn't a slight against Rossi, Lorenzo or anyone else. It's a fact at the moment.


Get a grip Son.. I was referring to one post and made a comment to Rog on how hes been dishing it out over the threads, it happened that it was your post, Sorry if I read you wrong from that post and classed you as a Rossi hater. Don't take it personally

Yes the Yamaha is the best bike on the grid at the moment, its also been ridden by the two best riders on the grid at the moment......

Yes you have to say that this has to be a Rossi talent advantage. You know that if he was doing mid field finishes he could easily blame the fact he is on bridgestones but no he's bloody winning on strange (to him) tyres. Again there are still some unknowns like if Lorenzo were at full fitness (what a bloody amazing ride) then we might well have seen a different podium order. But until he is then we won't know for sure but Rossi, I've got to eat my words from last season, back on form, back doing what only he can better than ever. Pedrosa made the mistakes yesterday and Rossi made none as far as I could see apart from not starting on pole but then he never needed to did he.

XXLiz especially for Rog I take it all back He wasn't as mad as a bloody hatter, he is a genius.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (l13eaw @ May 19 2008, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>XXLiz especially for Rog I take it all back He wasn't as mad as a bloody hatter, he is a genius.

Whoreway is milking it

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ May 19 2008, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Whoreway is milking it

Yeah well that's easy to say lol but the thought did cross my mind too, but milking it or not still amazing

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (l13eaw @ May 19 2008, 06:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah well that's easy to say lol but the thought did cross my mind too, but milking it or not still amazing

Not amazing...cause he's not all that hurt...no way he's that beat up....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ May 19 2008, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not amazing...cause he's not all that hurt...no way he's that beat up....


Dose'nt do any harm to try and fool the opposition

3 things after the race that I had a good laugh at were.. How gently Vale hugged him when the got back in after the slown down lap, How he could'nt get up when Vale was spaying him in the face with the champers and it did'nt stop Vale sitting on his leg for a few pics

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (odessa @ May 19 2008, 08:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dose'nt do any harm to try and fool the opposition

He's only fooling the press and the non-riders

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (odessa @ May 19 2008, 02:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dose'nt do any harm to try and fool the opposition


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xx CURVE xx @ May 19 2008, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>He's only fooling the press and the non-riders


too true

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ May 19 2008, 12:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>They also have the best bike on the grid by far.


Did someone say tumbleweed?

Pete

I agree with Son of Doohan to an extent.

I believe that Yamaha of Rossi's with Bridgestone tyres is probably the best overall package on the grid at the moment but it isn't the best by far like the Repsol Honda used to be. But I think until Honda have mastered their Pneumatic engine Rossi's package is probably just about the best on the grid.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (krusty @ May 19 2008, 07:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can't ever remember seeing a chain come of a bike like it did for Hopper.
it happened to checa in 03. can't remember which race tho...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Haga @ May 19 2008, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I agree with Son of Doohan to an extent.

I believe that Yamaha of Rossi's with Bridgestone tyres is probably the best overall package on the grid at the moment but it isn't the best by far like the Repsol Honda used to be. But I think until Honda have mastered their Pneumatic engine Rossi's package is probably just about the best on the grid.
You can only do the best that you can with the package you have, and rossi's and lorenzo's best currently seems pretty good. Anything else is hypothetical, as it was last year. Logically though, it is harder to argue that it is mainly down to the bike in rossi's case given his record over many years, and I am an avowed stoner fan.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Son of Doohan @ May 19 2008, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Funny that - no one has seemed to mention this at all so far in regards to the yamaha. Just evening out the score from last year. The yamaha is quick, is stable under braking, switches direction with ease and works with both michelin and bridgestone. Seems like it's a damn good bike. Winner in 3 of the 5 races this year with lots of podiums as well.

And it seems only one person can ride the ducati.

Is that really to much to ask of a bike? And who are to blame when the others doesn't get it right, the teams or the factory?

The bike is still probably the one with the least power, allthough it is probably also very smoth and usable. They are fast from apex to exit but "slow" from there in comparison to all the other bikes (well, I wouldn't know about the kawa as the two brands don't mingle in the same circles. )

I'll say it again...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (odessa @ May 19 2008, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yes the Yamaha is the best bike on the grid at the moment, its also been ridden by the two best riders on the grid at the moment......

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ May 19 2008, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Is that really to much to ask of a bike? And who are to blame when the others doesn't get it right, the teams or the factory?

The bike is still probably the one with the least power, allthough it is probably also very smoth and usable. They are fast from apex to exit but "slow" from there in comparison to all the other bikes (well, I wouldn't know about the kawa as the two brands don't mingle in the same circles. )
If yamaha do have the best bike this year under the same regulations as anyone else, it is a prototype formula and credit to them just as in any other year, and doubtless if this is the case the impetus and development input of one v. rossi has contributed. I doubt their budget matches honda. In my opinion it is hard to know how the power of the factory honda compares with the yamaha given the influence of rider weights etc.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ May 19 2008, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If yamaha do have the best bike this year under the same regulations as anyone else, it is a prototype formula and credit to them just as in any other year, and doubtless if this is the case the impetus and development input of one v. rossi has contributed. I doubt their budget matches honda. In my opinion it is hard to know whether the power of the factory honda matches the yamaha given the influence of rider weights etc.

That's true, I havn't been able to compare Hayden with Yamaha riders. But with Pedrosa on they certainly doesn't have any drawback in the acceleration/top speed department.
My point is that a good chassi seldom have a tire preference, track preference or other things that must be right for it to work. Even if it's a prototype formula there is little or no change in the regulations regarding chassi, and the factory "just" have to make the perfect chassi and stick to that. They make sure they can fit an engine of the current size in there in the best position and that's about it.
And that's why I am a little surpriced at how much trouble the others have. Allthough it's not trivial to make a good chassi it's strange to whatch all the problems. Honda still have a serious front issue, Pedrosa's bike looked right out dangerous in turn 1 at Le Mans with something that was more like a front end wobble rather than chatter. Ducati's problems are obvious for all to see, and the others have isues as well.
I can't help but thinking that some of the problems the others have must be caused by lack of development direction. Hayden and pedrosa fight, even Casey strugle with the Ducati and so on.
Does that make the bikes inferiour? Well, with the current teams and riders, yes. With better management, No.

Also, Yamaha are the only factory supporting four full factory spec machines. That give them valuable feedback when sorted and two very strong and competetive teams. That make them look better than the rest.

In my opinion the strong yamaha results this year are a combination of:
1. strong riders.
2. good factory support for the lease team.
3. a good chassi that ar adjustable enough to accomondate most riders needs.
4. the other teams weakness in point 2 and 3.

I sort of agree that Yamaha have the best package out there now, but with the reservation that it is just as much the teams and riders who made that possible as a fantastic bike supplied by Yamaha.
If or when the others get things sorted the yamaha could quickly look rather medicore as it still lack some in the engine department.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ May 19 2008, 04:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>in my opinion the strong yamaha results this year are a combination of:
1. strong riders.
2. good factory support for the lease team.
3. a good chassi that ar adjustable enough to accomondate most riders needs.
4. the other teams weakness in point 2 and 3.
yes, and well done to them. just look how far they have come from last year. credit has be be given to the team,factory and riders.