Laguna Seca Practice & Qual

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsraeliRacer @ Jul 22 2007, 03:31 PM) [snapback]80583[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Gonna disagree with you Tom and agree with Roger here. Stoner's had it relatively easy, he's been competing with relatively electronics-laden bikes since the start, Capirossi and Rossi both raced with the old 500's, they both have the necessary experience on those kinda bikes. Plus Ducati seem at least to rely much more on electronics than the others, I reckon going back to 500's or at least less electronic bikes would hurt them most.

eurosport commentators toby and jewels commented on this, they said the younger riders who are used to these bikes with the electronics (stoner & pedrosa ) now they can open the throttle wide exiting from a corner and they no the electronics will sort it all out where as the older riders still tend to ride the bike like they have no traction control.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BEN @ Jul 22 2007, 03:43 PM) [snapback]80588[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Man its ages till the start!! We should be discussing the racing by now

im happy it's this evening as i had things to do midday so i would have missed it live but because its 9.45pm i will get to see it does feel weird tho

Its at 12am here Needless to say I'll be wide awake

By the way on a sidenote, I was watching a few minutes of the Supersport from Brno today and three riders caught my eye:
Kallio, Checa and Tizon. Any relation to Mika, Carlos or Arturo?

Vesa Kallio (Mikas Brother) David Checa (Carlos's Brother) and im pretty sure that would be Arturo Tizon as he has left the 250s...

Thats sounds about right, GP rejects head straight to the superbike paddock!

GP rejects head to the World Superbike paddock and 250's rejects head straight to the Supersport paddock?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsraeliRacer @ Jul 22 2007, 11:31 PM) [snapback]80583[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Gonna disagree with you Tom and agree with Roger here. Stoner's had it relatively easy, he's been competing with relatively electronics-laden bikes since the start, Capirossi and Rossi both raced with the old 500's, they both have the necessary experience on those kinda bikes.

Gonna disagree with you here. Capirossi might have flirted with "old-school 500s" once (and fled back to 250s for a bigger pay packet), but Rossi's only ever seen them on TV. If, by 1998, the 500s had reached the point that Doohan--with his years of finely honed throttle control--could only shake his head after seeing Biaggi just go whack and open the the throttle whenever he wanted, what does that say for the 500 Hondas that Rossi and Capirossi (second time around) raced?

Barros was mentioned earlier on in the thread. He does have experience with old 500s, since he's been racing since dinosaurs last walked the Earth, but if you look at his career the thing you notice is how uniformly average its been: a handful of race wins, a bigger handful of podiums, a bucketful of crashes. And that's across factory and semi-factory rides of all makes (bar Kawasaki) from evil 500s to the laterday 'tamer' versions, 4 stroke 990s and now 800s.

To me that suggests that if the rider is good enough to get to 500/MotoGP then electronics or whatever aren't going to be the determining factor in their success.

Or is this just another way to bring up all the "Stoner's results are all down the Ducati" BS again?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rising Sun @ Jul 22 2007, 05:43 PM) [snapback]80614[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>


To me that suggests that if the rider is good enough to get to 500/MotoGP then electronics or whatever aren't going to be the determining factor in their success.

Or is this just another way to bring up all the "Stoner's results are all down the Ducati" BS again?


This is exactly my point, glad someone else is on the same page.

The practice continues...i'm in stock. 1st Stoner

Warm up, Chaz Davies just set 1.24.52 He just keeps getting better, he's over half a second quicker than yesterday!

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Or is this just another way to bring up all the "Stoner's results are all down the Ducati" BS again?
I've been one of those arguing that its Stoner and not the Ducati, remember?
However, my personal opinion is that were it not for all the electronics, Stoner wouldn't be leading the Championship. Thats my opinion and last time I checked I was entitled to it

Melandri didn't go out..... just sitting out the session to be readier for the race?

Stoner .6 ahead of Vermeulen. Unbelievable.

Looks like N.Hayden thinks it's practice - he's still cold.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsraeliRacer @ Jul 22 2007, 06:00 PM) [snapback]80619[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>

Melandri didn't go out..... just sitting out the session to be readier for the race?


I was under the impression that if you don't post a time in morning warmup you cannot race

1.24.1 for Chaz! Ahead of Checa, Kurtis, Tamada, Nakano and Duhamel!

Chaz just set his fastest lap of weekend under 1.24
Stoner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1.23.95, overtaken Guintoli! Hats off to Chaz, if this is any indication, I really hope he gets the MotoGP seat next year. He's more than proven his worth in my opinion. Finished 13th in the session.

In other news, Stoner does 1.21.97, leading Kawa is RL Hayden from De Puniet from West, Rizla Suzuki's second and third.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsraeliRacer @ Jul 22 2007, 06:07 PM) [snapback]80624[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
1.23.95, overtaken Guintoli! Hats off to Chaz, if this is any indication, I really hope he gets the MotoGP seat next year. He's more than proven his worth in my opinion. Finished 13th in the session.



He'll be better than west in no time

Looks like my fantasy team is fecked!

Gotta say, it does rather

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsraeliRacer @ Jul 22 2007, 07:07 PM) [snapback]80624[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
1.23.95, overtaken Guintoli! Hats off to Chaz, if this is any indication, I really hope he gets the MotoGP seat next year. He's more than proven his worth in my opinion. Finished 13th in the session.

In other news, Stoner does 1.21.97, leading Kawa is RL Hayden from De Puniet from West, Rizla Suzuki's second and third.


So the questions is;
Who will be the best of the Hayden brothers?
How far up can C. Davies get?