Kallio on the Factory Duc/Spies

Kallio is going to be on the Factory Duc eh? Wonder how the rookie rule applies to that? So Spies goes to Yamaha Tech 3 and factory rider gets hurt. Does he get promoted to factory ride despite the rookie rule? Or does he just get factory support while on the Tech 3 team while the factory go 1 rider down if they can't get an ex motogp rider in the seat? Biaggi could be back in MOTOGP afterall. Going to be an interesting year next year.

i'm confused

dont the rookie rule not start till 2010 so Kallio is good to go.after this year well leave the rules to Dorna lol.ex motogp rider coming back could be good even anyone that had a 1 off ride/wildcard so they not rookies ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Aug 12 2009, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Kallio is going to be on the Factory Duc eh? Wonder how the rookie rule applies to that? So Spies goes to Yamaha Tech 3 and factory rider gets hurt. Does he get promoted to factory ride despite the rookie rule? Or does he just get factory support while on the Tech 3 team while the factory go 1 rider down if they can't get an ex motogp rider in the seat? Biaggi could be back in MOTOGP afterall. Going to be an interesting year next year.

i'm confused


Sacky, a good hypothetical question.

I thought that the rookie rule applies to riders who have not competed in a specific number of races so there would likely be a point throughout the year where the 'step' from rookie to factory is acceptable abd allowable within the rules. But that would only apply where the factory is in a position to 'take' that rider as Ducati have been, but would Yamaha with tech3 etc.

I suspect that a lot of it would be based upon who has the contract with the rider, whether that contract holder would release the rider and what compensation will that contract holder receive. In shory using Kallio, is his contract with Ducati or Pramac and if Pramac how much compensation is being returned to them?

All hypothetical of course.


But, it does show a possible interesting conundrum.

What say, in race 1 of 2010, one of the factory riders is somehow ruled out for a months or two and the satellite team riders are either not released or ineligible (although I suspect that at least one satellite rider will always be eligible). Basically, what if nobody is available to replace the factory rider - what then?


But, to your original point I would suspect that Spies as the example would be allowed to the factory team as it would be deemed 'extrordinary' or 'extenuating' circumstances (but, my bet is Yamaha would take CEII first in 2010).





Garry

I was thinking the same thing, about him being a rookie and all, now I haven't read the rule book so I don't know exactly what it says, but perhaps they can get round it because he not actually signed with the team, he's just standing in for a couple of races.

rookie rule kicks in in 2010

thats how kallio is riding for the factory team in his first season...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigAl @ Aug 13 2009, 07:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>rookie rule kicks in in 2010

thats how kallio is riding for the factory team in his first season...



Just to clear things up. I understand the rule applies in 2010. But I saw the opportunity to raise a hypothetical question using Kallio's circumstnace as an example. Can Spies or a rookie move to the factory squad, barring contracts etc, if a seat happens to become available?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SackWack @ Aug 13 2009, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Just to clear things up. I understand the rule applies in 2010. But I saw the opportunity to raise a hypothetical question using Kallio's circumstnace as an example. <span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%Can Spies or a rookie move to the factory squad, barring contracts etc, if a seat happens to become available?
the new rule was posted on plenty of sites when it came out but i did not take the time to read it. it seems to me that the rule only applies to being the official signed team member. filling in for whatever reason probably is not covered by the rule..... a potential loophole no doubt.

Starting in 2010, a factory team cannot sign a rookie. Signing a rookie is not the same as a wildcard ride or a substitution. If you've competed in less than 9 events, you are a rookie.

I think another factor to consider is that, Kallio is just a 'replacement rider', not an official promotion. Just semantics.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Parc Ferme @ Aug 13 2009, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Starting in 2010, a factory team cannot sign a rookie. Signing a rookie is not the same as a wildcard ride or a substitution. If you've competed in less than 9 events, you are a rookie.
Where did you hear that bit about 9 races???

It sounds about right, but no-one seems to have officially said what the number is.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stevo @ Aug 13 2009, 10:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Where did you hear that bit about 9 races???

It sounds about right, but no-one seems to have officially said what the number is.
9 is the number.
If Ben gets 6 wildcard rides next year, he's factory eligible.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (clarkjw @ Aug 13 2009, 09:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>9 is the number.
If Ben gets 6 wildcard rides next year, he's factory eligible.

I'm not certain but I don't think this is correct.

The 9 races must be "contracted" meaning if you have a contract to race for a team and you race less than 9 races, you are a rookie, if you race 9 or more, you are no longer a rookie. I believe wildcards, substitutions, etc. do not count.

Translation: If you wildcard 10 races, you are still a rookie, but if you have a contract to race for a team and you race for at least 9 races, then you are no longer a rookie. Whether your status changes on your 10th race or at the end of the season is unclear.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Parc Ferme @ Aug 13 2009, 05:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm not certain but I don't think this is correct.

The 9 races must be "contracted" meaning if you have a contract to race for a team and you race less than 9 races, you are a rookie, if you race 9 or more, you are no longer a rookie. I believe wildcards, substitutions, etc. do not count.

Translation: If you wildcard 10 races, you are still a rookie, but if you have a contract to race for a team and you race for at least 9 races, then you are no longer a rookie. Whether your status changes on your 10th race or at the end of the season is unclear.

So if a rider has more than 9 races, which changes his status of being a rookie, is he still in for the rookie of the year?

So a Satellite Team Bike with ‘Factory Support’ is ok for any newcomer?

So and old WSB rider becomes a rookie if, let say 35, gets a contract at MotoGP?
Could I be a Replacement Rider for all but one Race on a Factory Bike please? (I said it nicely ).

I really (cannot hate) dislike intensely Dorna’s stupid rules!