Is Lorenzo getting mentally beaten?

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Willski @ Jul 27 2009, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Not a chance...Horhay has the skills, confidence in his ability, mental toughness and the machinery to really push Rossi...
It was just a mistake in changeable conditions, thats all.

In my opinion, Horhay ain't no Max, Sete or Kayzee

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in the seasons before you could say that 25 pts ahead isnnt THAT much but in this season it is!!!

imagine U were lorenzo! and U have to get those 25 points back against a strong rossi!!!

of course jorge wont give up, but in a title fight its like in a race: at some point U settle for a second place! this point is not here, but if lorenzo gets first for 5 races and rossi 5 times second THEN theyre equal!

and when the crazy races are over this year which i hope, then U wont see rossi down often this year!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 27 2009, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Lets not forget Arrabi too.
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I was getting smarter after hangin' with Arrab
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Willski @ Jul 27 2009, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I was getting smarter after hangin' with Arrab
hold on a minute, if im getting smarter hanging with you and your getting smarter hanging with arrab, that made me the thickest
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 27 2009, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hold on a minute, if im getting smarter hanging with you and your getting smarter hanging with arrab, that made me the thickest
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Well you're not that dumb Rog, because you figured this out.^ Hahaha
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chopperman @ Jul 27 2009, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>hold on a minute, if im getting smarter hanging with you and your getting smarter hanging with arrab, that made me the thickest
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 27 2009, 09:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Well you're not that dumb Rog, because you figured this out.^ Hahaha

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 27 2009, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is the kind of ........ comment that sets me off on a 'beat down of the Rossi mindless campaign'. Then I look like a Rossi hater when in reality I'm just responding to such ridiculous comments.

For any rider in Motogp at the moment, they have to live with the fact that one of the riders is widely considered the Greatest of all time - the Goat. Most, if not all, of them probably think so as well plus they have the media continually harping on about it. No doubt these are all proud, competitive men but to be told or worse to know that one of your opponents is better than you no matter what you do is debiltating - it brings huge pressure. For many of them they are beaten mentally before the race begins. I suspect many of them are scared of Vale on the track in case they knock him off as they respect him far too much.

Anyway, this pressure got to Biaggi and eventually to Gibernau. Some argued that the newer younger riders like Dani, Casey and Jorge would not have been damaged by Vale so would bring the fight to him and I think they were right. But Vale is bringing it back to them big time and he is relentless, at the moment. I hope Jorge can fight back but first he must stop beating himself and then he must start beating the greatest of all time. (I also think Rossi doesn't see Dani as a big rival, sure he will lose to him sometimes but never in a close physical race.)

On a side note, I'm not sure what's happening to Casey. After Sunday's debacle and with his illness, he's clearly not in a good place at the moment but I hope he can turn it around as I'm warming to the Aussie boy.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Valerian @ Jul 27 2009, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>For any rider in Motogp at the moment, they have to live with the fact that one of the riders is widely considered the Greatest of all time - the Goat. Most, if not all, of them probably think so as well plus they have the media continually harping on about it. No doubt these are all proud, competitive men but to be told or worse to know that one of your opponents is better than you no matter what you do is debiltating - it brings huge pressure. For many of them they are beaten mentally before the race begins. I suspect many of them are scared of Vale on the track in case they knock him off as they respect him far too much.

Anyway, this pressure got to Biaggi and eventually to Gibernau. Some argued that the newer younger riders like Dani, Casey and Jorge would not have been damaged by Vale so would bring the fight to him and I think they were right. But Vale is bringing it back to them big time and he is relentless, at the moment. I hope Jorge can fight back but first he must stop beating himself and then he must start beating the greatest of all time. (I also think Rossi doesn't see Dani as a big rival, sure he will lose to him sometimes but never in a close physical race.)

On a side note, I'm not sure what's happening to Casey. After Sunday's debacle and with his illness, he's clearly not in a good place at the moment but I hope he can turn it around as I'm warming to the Aussie boy.

Valerian, this post here sounds fairer. I jumped on your previous statement because it reeked of blind cheerleading. Yes, you make some great points, HOWEVER, I'm not sure why you guys continue to think anybody is "scared" of Rossi. I agree, they have much respect for him, perhaps why he can run them off the track but nobody returns the favor. Perhaps its just a difference of integrity, maybe not, maybe its just that Rossi is more confident. (I've struggled with this myself and it infuriates me riders have let him get away with it vs. that other riders preferred self preservation over bashing, jury is sill out on it for me). But I will tell you, even though it makes me angry, the other part also insights admiration that he throws caution to the wind, he’s got either bigger balls or disregard for life and limp (his own and others).

But again, I think this idea of breaking spirits came from Sete (I still hold that Biaggi was a combination of personal demons and yes, adjusting to the shadow of Rossi) and you guys want to apply this idea of “breaking spirits” to Stoner and Lorenzo. Lets just say we disagree completely. Anyway, thanks for formulating a better more digestible post. Even though I disagree with most of it, it was easier to read.
 
Have you guys heard the hour long interview he had with Suzy Perri from BBC?

It was basically "Why won't Rossi be friends with me?
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He may not be beatened yet, but Rossi is definitely in his head. I'm willing to go so far as to say that, if he doesn't defeat Rossi before he retires, he'll never be a champion because he doesn't want to be another Criville, winning the WC only because the best just retired.
 
Valentino wishes.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Jul 27 2009, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>This is the kind of ........ comment that sets me off on a 'beat down of the Rossi mindless campaign'. Then I look like a Rossi hater when in reality I'm just responding to such ridiculous comments.
Isn't it grand?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (heng47 @ Jul 27 2009, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Have you guys heard the hour long interview he had with Suzy Perri from BBC?

It was basically "Why won't Rossi be friends with me?
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He may not be beatened yet, but Rossi is definitely in his head. I'm willing to go so far as to say that, if he doesn't defeat Rossi before he retires, he'll never be a champion because he doesn't want to be another Criville, winning the WC only because the best just retired.
I beg to differ. He might beat Valentino, he might not. Barring any freak accident (someone knock on wood), Jorge Lorenzo will be a MotoGP world champion. Whether or not he beats Valentino is irrelevant.

I'm so tired of hearing about how Valentino is the measuring stick of motorcycle racing. There were champions and GOATs before him and there will be champions and quite likely GOATs after him. By measuring against Valentino, Kenny Roberts Jr., Nicky Hayden and Casey Stoner are the true GOATs as they have beaten the GOAT.

Game on.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 28 2009, 06:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm so tired of hearing about how Valentino is the measuring stick of motorcycle racing. There were champions and GOATs before him and there will be champions and quite likely GOATs after him. By measuring against Valentino, Kenny Roberts Jr., Nicky Hayden and Casey Stoner are the true GOATs as they have beaten the GOAT.

Game on.


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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gaz @ Jul 28 2009, 07:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>7653:th_popcorn_1.gif]


i second that. I never use to watch motogp and heard of rossi all the time. people who should be used as a measuring sticks are ones such as the guy from torque. specially that last scene that looked soooo "real". or maybe that star from biker boys. only then. we are talking:)
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Austin @ Jul 28 2009, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm so tired of hearing about how Valentino is the measuring stick of motorcycle racing. There were champions and GOATs before him and there will be champions and quite likely GOATs after him. By measuring against Valentino, Kenny Roberts Jr., Nicky Hayden and Casey Stoner are the true GOATs as they have beaten the GOAT.

Maybe because it's the truth. There may be greats before, there will be greats after, but what matters to Jorge and everyone else now is beating the current great, not chasing after some historical figure or an unknown future opponent.

Nicky and Casey cannot yet be considered great, as they haven't been able to bring it to him on a consistent basis. Winning a championship, and then defending it multiple times is what makes Rossi great. Losing it and re-gaining again, at his age, against someone very obviously faster than him, makes it even greater of an accomplishment.

Did Jr. beat Rossi?
I didn't know that. Seriously, I stopped watching after 03 and only started again last year so I don't know.

FYI, I'm NOT a Rossi fan, check the avatar. But I acknowledge his accomplishments and understand why many other racers consider it an achievement to surpass him.
 

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