interview with Lorenzo (in italian)

bigbang said:

Very interesting interview with Lorenzo (video in italian)

http://video.gazzetta.it/lorenzo-ga...are-meno/1537d6fa-815b-11e0-a995-2178d643dcb3



my italian is very mediocre but from what i understand:

- he is asked if the finger injury hampered him in the race and he says he wasn't at 100% in braking at Le Mans

- he says Honda is very fast and they are behind but not as much as in the race at Le Mans

- he is asked whether there is a problem with development at Yamaha now that the best tester Rossi is gone. He disagrees and notes that maybe then Rossi needs his or Casey's help to develop the Ducati. In his opinion engineers develop the bike.

- he says there is no extra pressure on him now that he's the champion and actually there was more pressure when he didn't have the title



- finally he is asked about Simoncelli and he gives a long answer. i hope some italian speakers here can translate us that part because i don't understand it very well.

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"he is asked that whether there is problem with development at Yamaha now that the best tester Rossi is gone. He disagrees and notes that maybe then Rossi needs his or Casey's help to develop the Ducati. In his opinion engineers develop the bike."



Yup - that I could really see Lollo as lead rider in development



CS was certainly the best Duc rider to date, but he's a racer and not a lead development rider (fact and no discredit meant)



More like -

2011 CS takes away Lollo's #1 monogram.

2012 the Yam is underdeveloped - The Ducati develops with VR/JB

2012 or 2013 VR finishes #1 and moves on

Then and first maybe then - Lollo inherits another VR ride and challenges Stoner, Simo et al

He is right about the engineers developing the bike but the engineers follow the direction of the dude riding the bike and as far as i can remember, the Yam was a dog before Rossi started riding it. Again, are the press manipulating what was really said to make it sound like a barbed comment?

spooky said:

He is right about the engineers developing the bike but the engineers follow the direction of the dude riding the bike and as far as i can remember,

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Not always the case

Arrabbiata1 said:

Not always the case

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You might even say, rarely the case. Rossi left Honda because of this. Up until Rossi arrived at Ducati, their reputation was the same. Before Rossi went to Yamaha, they had the same reputation. It appears the only way to get engineers to listen to a rider is if his name is Valentino, or his crew chief has the initials JB

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I thought Lorenzo was Spanish? Why would it be in Italian. Maybe i should yake a look.



Clever stupid balance now restored on Powerslide.net!

ptk50 said:

"he is asked that whether there is problem with development at Yamaha now that the best tester Rossi is gone. He disagrees and notes that maybe then Rossi needs his or Casey's help to develop the Ducati. In his opinion engineers develop the bike."



Yup - that I could really see Lollo as lead rider in development

CS was certainly the best Duc rider to date, but he's a racer and not a lead development rider (fact and no discredit meant)



More like -

2011 CS takes away Lollo's #1 monogram.

2012 the Yam is underdeveloped - The Ducati develops with VR/JB

2012 or 2013 VR finishes #1 and moves on

Then and first maybe then - Lollo inherits another VR ride and challenges Stoner, Simo et al

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That is complete ......... Show me even the slightest bit of evidence that Stoner is not a lead development rider. Just because this myth is perpetuated over and over again by boppers does not make it a fact.



Last time Rossi developed a new bike for a new formula the bike was a piece of .... with server chatter problems and got its arse handed to it by the smallest manufacturer with a new rider in only his second year of MotoGP. So what facts do you have to suggest that it will be different this time around as he has only done it once and failed once.

Mental Anarchist said:

That is complete ......... Show me even the slightest bit of evidence that Stoner is not a lead development rider. Just because this myth is perpetuated over and over again by boppers does not make it a fact.



Last time Rossi developed a new bike for a new formula the bike was a piece of .... with server chatter problems and got its arse handed to it by the smallest manufacturer with a new rider in only his second year of MotoGP. So what facts do you have to suggest that it will be different this time around as he has only done it once and failed once.

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Haters gonna hate eh?



Stoner, whilst super rapid on the Duc couldnt/didnt develop that bike. Wether he doesnt have the ability or Ducati were just too pigheaded to listen to him we will never know. One thing is for sure though, he pretty much either won or binned it, the front end issues didnt improve at all through 2009-10....



Whilst 2007 wasnt the best start to a season (engine low on power, Bridgestone beginning to dominate) for Rossi, they did get that bike turned around and made it the most rounded package on the grid. He did the same in 2004 with the 990 so, put your hatred for the guy to 1 side and tell me, honestly, that he and his team cant develop a bike.

spooky said:

Haters gonna hate eh?



Stoner, whilst super rapid on the Duc couldnt/didnt develop that bike. Wether he doesnt have the ability or Ducati were just too pigheaded to listen to him we will never know. One thing is for sure though, he pretty much either won or binned it, the front end issues didnt improve at all through 2009-10....



Whilst 2007 wasnt the best start to a season (engine low on power, Bridgestone beginning to dominate) for Rossi, they did get that bike turned around and made it the most rounded package on the grid. He did the same in 2004 with the 990 so, put your hatred for the guy to 1 side and tell me, honestly, that he and his team cant develop a bike.

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No point trying to talk sense to Mental Anarchist. If you dare say anything that suggests Stoner isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread, he has a wobbly and starts bitching like a little girl.

Nino said:

No point trying to talk sense to Mental Anarchist. If you dare say anything that suggests Stoner isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread, he has a wobbly and starts bitching like a little girl.

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I know this...i'm trying though, trying to get him to remove the blinkers!

spooky said:

I know this...i'm trying though, trying to get him to remove the blinkers!

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Yup, on the Burgess interview thread it seems that conventional wisdom is that Ducati just completely ignored all of Stoner's input when perhaps the reality is that the feedback was either taken on board or just not very good.

Nino said:

No point trying to talk sense to Mental Anarchist. If you dare say anything that suggests Stoner isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread, he has a wobbly and starts bitching like a little girl.

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No , he is right, neither of you have any evidence what so ever of Stoners ability to develop a bike, good or bad. With what JB has said about Ducati, it can easily be argued that rider development suggestions were ignored for the last 4 years.Just because you say its so, doesnt make it true.

povol said:

No , he is right, neither of you have any evidence what so ever of Stoners ability to develop a bike, good or bad. With what JB has said about Ducati, it can easily be argued that rider development suggestions were ignored for the last 4 years.Just because you say its so, doesnt make it true.

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That's why I said a good honest interview. There were no barbs and it implied that Ducati were principally at fault. Which they have to be as all other manufacturers can build a motorcycle connected to the front end.

povol said:

No , he is right, neither of you have any evidence what so ever of Stoners ability to develop a bike, good or bad. With what JB has said about Ducati, it can easily be argued that rider development suggestions were ignored for the last 4 years.Just because you say its so, doesnt make it true.

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Exibit A.

spooky said:

Haters gonna hate eh?



Stoner, whilst super rapid on the Duc couldnt/didnt develop that bike. Wether he doesnt have the ability or Ducati were just too pigheaded to listen to him we will never know. One thing is for sure though, he pretty much either won or binned it, the front end issues didnt improve at all through 2009-10....



Whilst 2007 wasnt the best start to a season (engine low on power, Bridgestone beginning to dominate) for Rossi, they did get that bike turned around and made it the most rounded package on the grid. He did the same in 2004 with the 990 so, put your hatred for the guy to 1 side and tell me, honestly, that he and his team cant develop a bike.

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What are you talking about? We do know. It is a known element that Ducati have not listened to their riders for many years. Even the object of all your desires has indicated that to be the case when he refused to go to Ducati some years back because they do not listen to the rider. JB has just come out in an interview and told the world that Ducati did not listen to Stoner nor analyse the problems. How many riders have ridden it and had their careers ended because Ducati would not change the bike. Melandri was sent to a shrink rather than Ducati believe him there was a problem with the bike. Stoner left Ducati to go to Honda because they would not fix the bike.



Now in regards to Rossi and his ability to develop the M1 800 for the start of the 2007 season are you saying that if the bike is good Rossi did it and if it is bad he did not but then he fixed it after Yamaha ...... it up? What my comment was, was that the bike Rossi turned up with at the beginning or 2007 after unlimited testing had significant issues. It had severe chatter front and rear. It was down on power. Now this is the new bike for a new formula that Rossi developed in an environment of unlimited testing. This is the ONLY time that Rossi has had significant input into developing a new bike for a new formula. The Honda 990 from my understanding did not have significant input by Rossi. After all he left Honda because they would not listen to him and in Rossi's view at Honda the rider was not important. When he went to Yamaha, the Yamaha was not a new bike. However Rossi was presented with a range of options that he got to pick. These options were all developed already and Rossi just picked his preferences and then fine tuned them. These options were not presented to any of the previous Yamaha riders so we do not know if any of the previous riders could of picked the same successful options. At Ducati, none of the options that Rossi is working through now were offered up to Stoner, Hayden, Melandri, Capirossi or any of the satellite riders so we do not know if they could have fixed the problems the bike has. My responses all started because one of your fellow cultists decided that his view about Stoner and all the other Ducati riders was fact. IT IS NOT and there is .... loads of evidence to the contrary yet it is beyond the scope of a brain washed mind to comprehend that.



So jump forward into the future and we are looking towards Rossi's ability to develop a brand new bike for a brand new formula and several people are suggesting that it is a given that Rossi's Ducati will be perfect and he will win 2012. Well I am simply stating a series of observed events that actually occurred and make an assumption that based on his 100% failure rate at developing a new bike for a new formula it is not a given at all the Rossi will be successful at developing the 2012 Ducati.

Nino said:

Yup, on the Burgess interview thread it seems that conventional wisdom is that Ducati just completely ignored all of Stoner's input when perhaps the reality is that the feedback was either taken on board or just not very good.

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You are demented. Here is JB, who has had a chance to view all of Stoner's data, has worked on the bike, has 13 WC's and he is saying that it is a fact that Ducati did not react to Stoner's feedback or try to fix the problems with the bike, he actually says that they ignored the problems, and you still find some way to blame Stoner and discredit his ability to give feedback. I can think of no other explanation other than you have a mental disability or you are taking the piss because no rational human being could continue to hold the view you hold unless one or the other is the case.

Nino said:

Yup, on the Burgess interview thread it seems that conventional wisdom is that Ducati just completely ignored all of Stoner's input when perhaps the reality is that the feedback was either taken on board or just not very good.

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Exhibit B



Perhaps means maybe, as in its your opinion. You are entitled to your opinion but it doesnt make it fact. I guess your opinion outweighs Stoners, Melandri's, Capirossi's, countless other riders who have failed to set up the Ducati, and now even JB. You may be right, your knowledge may be greater than those listed, but i will wait until next year and see how the Honda performs before i make a decision. Of course, if the 2012 Honda is a world beater, you will say that Stoner had nothing to do with it, that all he did was crawl out of the motor home on race day and ride it.

Nino said:

Yup, on the Burgess interview thread it seems that conventional wisdom is that Ducati just completely ignored all of Stoner's input when perhaps the reality is that the feedback was either taken on board or just not very good.

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Ducati ignored most of Stoner's input. They thought winning 4 or 5 races a year was doing pretty well, and didn't worry about losing a few. That's why he left, a decision he basically took over the winter of 2009/2010.

Kropotkin said:

Ducati ignored most of Stoner's input. They thought winning 4 or 5 races a year was doing pretty well, and didn't worry about losing a few. That's why he left, a decision he basically took over the winter of 2009/2010.

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Exactly Krop.

I also remember Stoner saying he had basically the same bike all year because of lack of funds at a small team.

Now Ducati dumps their WSBK team & focuses entirely on Motogp. They hardly have the same backing to develop the bike do they?

Ducati have produced a new chassis 4 races into a season. Have they ever done that before?

Kropotkin perhaps you have the answer?