If Yamaha need power

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (basspete @ Apr 24 2007, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Brilliant, Stoner wins 2 to Rossi's 1, and its all over for the ex champ. I love it!

I think it's funny the way everyone cant wait to write off Vale. I can see why a lot of folks are getting so excited about Stoners 2 wins. Its the same amount of wins that the guy they were shouting about last year managed all season. (Yes I know he won the title, it's tongue in cheek) And I think it's funny the amount of Stoner fans who have appeared. Some even have the same names as some of last yers "Hayboy is God" brigade.

Funny that!
The season is young, Stoner is on a charge, Vale cant be written off yet, Dani will do something special yet, Elias will maybe get another win, and Hayboy can look forward to Laguna. (Not a dig, the guy rode well at the weekend, but I dont see him at the front anywhere else bar Laguna)
Weve got a long way to go, and I think some folks may regret some of the predictions made in the last few weeks.

Me? I'm going to enjoy the racing, I'm still rooting for Vale, and may the best man win!

Pete
i agree with your points pete except laguna, if haystack has no confidance in his front by then ,then i recon he will have no chance of winning a laguna.
im betting rossi will pull it all together and make a good title chalange but i also think there are still a few tracks they will struggle at. but my money is on the doctor , im still a die hard fan like you pete.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Apr 24 2007, 10:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i agree with your points pete except laguna, if haystack has no confidance in his front by then ,then i recon he will have no chance of winning a laguna.
im betting rossi will pull it all together and make a good title chalange but i also think there are still a few tracks they will struggle at. but my money is on the doctor , im still a die hard fan like you pete.


Wont argue with that, Laguna is Hayboys best chance this (every?) year,but like you say, things gonna have to change for him before then.

Pete

Big Bang v. Screamer..

If the Yamahas and Hondas need more power, they should go back to the screamer firing order. the ducatis have. The big bang configuration makes no sense any more as all the bikes have tratcion control.

Traction control has made these moto gp boring as you see no more power slides or high sides anymore

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Apr 27 2007, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>If the Yamahas and Hondas need more power, they should go back to the screamer firing order. the ducatis have. The big bang configuration makes no sense any more as all the bikes have tratcion control.
well i don't know about yamaha but the honda is only operating at 80% power. that according to honda.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (crvlvr @ Apr 27 2007, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Traction control has made these moto gp boring as you see no more power slides or high sides anymore
well no highsides is a good thing in my book. spectacular to see but scary & dangerous for riders. as far as the power slides go surly u have not been paying attention.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Apr 29 2007, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well i don't know about yamaha but the honda is only operating at 80% power. that according to honda.

I'm not sure about this 80% power Honda claims, if it was so and the bike was thought for a 100%, other wise would be silly... after Qatar they would have used at least a 10% more in orther to not look so bad in starights against Ducati. Even if it was 80% development, well then all of them are, because they are just brand new 800cc machines, they won't stop developing until the category changes again [up to 990cc ].

And the other claim about being the only bike from scratch... so other manufactures just chop off a bit of the engine or what? They all had to start from scratch, of ourse using all the know how from past bikes, maybe some bits of them. But really, to build any of them bikes competitive had to be from scratch.

So I just see them with natural problems and making up crap... It's not as simple for them, is it?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VHMP01 @ Apr 29 2007, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And the other claim about being the only bike from scratch... so other manufactures just chop off a bit of the engine or what? They all had to start from scratch, of ourse using all the know how from past bikes, maybe some bits of them. But really, to build any of them bikes competitive had to be from scratch.

The difference is that the other manufacturers stuck with their existing concepts, some only modifying the chassis which was already fully developed.

Honda however have started from a totally blank page, new engine configuration, brand new chassis and aero package. They are pushing new concepts and starting from step one.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Apr 29 2007, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The difference is that the other manufacturers stuck with their existing concepts, some only modifying the chassis which was already fully developed.

Honda however have started from a totally blank page, new engine configuration, brand new chassis and aero package. They are pushing new concepts and starting from step one.

Oh... ok Tom, sounded kind of wierd at first!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Apr 29 2007, 07:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well i don't know about yamaha but the honda is only operating at 80% power. that according to honda.
well no highsides is a good thing in my book. spectacular to see but scary & dangerous for riders. as far as the power slides go surly u have not been paying attention. Sure, Elias has done some sliding. But, it is nothing compared to those of yester years -- especially those by Gary McCoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I84pfQFLqI


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Apr 29 2007, 07:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well i don't know about yamaha but the honda is only operating at 80% power. that according to honda. All manufacturers turn down the power between qualifying and race. But, that's because they have less fuel to complete the race with and want to make sure that the bike goes the race distance before running out of gas.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (frosty58 @ Apr 30 2007, 12:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>well i don't know about yamaha but the honda is only operating at 80% power. that according to honda.

"Yeah, we can win, we just don't wanna."

Time to gloat again, HRC screwed up! Hand it to 'em on a silver plate and they drop it! I'm loving every minute of it... apart from the fact that Hayden and Pedrosa and every other Honda rider is suffering apart from Elias, who won't chase anyone unless he's close enough to trade paint with them anyway. That aside, they're doing pretty well in the manufacturers standings, then again, when its comes to numbers on the grid, two is always better than one, or 127593 is better than one in Honda's case.

The other downside is im not happy that he's taken control of the championship. Talk about inheritance...

As for Rossi and Yamaha, well at least the front forks didn't get bought in a ... shop this year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ May 1 2007, 04:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The other downside is im not happy that he's taken control of the championship. Talk about inheritance...

What? i dont understand

Well, I'm probably severley biased against him, but I belive a lot of Stoner's achivements this year can be put down to being in the right place at the right time.

thats rediculous, like him or not you must be able to appreciate just how well he is riding, hes doing an incredible job so far.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ May 1 2007, 08:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Is Richo not allowed a valid opinion Tom?

He is riding well, but he is also riding the best bike on the grid in a straight line AND corners now.

Its not that he isn't allowed an opinion, but he said himself he is being biased because he doesnt like Casey. Credit is due to the job he is doing. And the Yamaha is the best bike through turns by miles. he obviously had race winning pace in him last year but kept falling off. This season he has improved, stopped crashing and gone from a satellite honda onto the ducati rocket ship., I think his performance adds up pretty well as a combination of all the things he and his team have brought to the races.

I didn't say it's just fallen in his lap. He would never win races unless he was talented and determined, but Capirossi started the season off form, which meant he wasn't in a position to reap the rewards of all his hard work on the Ducati GP project. But Stoner was. He's also on the team that's at the top of the Bridgestone pecking order, and Bridgestone clearly came out all guns blazing this year. He left Honda, and now Honda are struggling. That was good timing on his part, but he didn't forsee this fall in performance from the Honda army, so that's not why he moved. Then it comes down to the races. You guys might have already had a big debate about this, but suppose Rossi's Yamaha had the same power as Stoner's Ducati, would Stoner still have won? Rossi caught him in the corners, but he couldn't make it stick because of the Duke's tarmac-shredding speed down the straight. Stoner's other victory came at Istanbul. He didn't get the lead until Rossi decided to take the scenic route round the back corner. Michelin clearly had a bad day there, and Edwards, Pedrosa and Vermulen, who all could have affected the podium result, were taken out by OJ on the first lap. I'm not saying he dosen't deserve to be where he is, and I'm not saying he's out of his place at the top, but it does seem to me like luck has been on his side in a big way so far this season.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ May 1 2007, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>You guys might have already had a big debate about this, but suppose Rossi's Yamaha had the same power as Stoner's Ducati, would Stoner still have won?

Suppose the Ducati handled well and Stoner would surely have won Jerez.

His bike is working well, but the misfortunes suffered in Turkey don't affect things much because Stoner was soo fast. Nobody was going to catch him. Its early days yet, but in three races Stoner has won two, and won them very well. If you doubt that look at how much he has beaten other ducatis and bridgestones by and also look at how well he actually muscles the big red machine through the turns no matter how much it resists.

true, he's a lot faster than the other Dukes, but there was somthing clearly wrong with Capriex in the first two races, and considering D'atin bikes are usually at the back, theyre not much of a yardstick. I'm just saying I think being on the best bike with the best tyres has helped him out a lot.

Fair enough, its not exactly a problem is it. But i think the fact the package he has is so strong is making his achievements appear less impressive than they are, and a lot of people are quick to snap all credit away from him (sounds familiar doesn't it).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (phleg @ May 1 2007, 09:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Come on Tom, there were 4 Ducati's in the top 10, that's telling you something about the machine.

Yeah but he was roughly 8 seconds better than any of them without really stressing himself. He had the best package on the day, but he made a 4 second difference over the next best guy. So that tells you how well he is riding.

Yeah I know, Tom. I don't like sounding like this, I like giving credit where its due, but I really don't like the guy.