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I know how to fix MotoGP!

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1) bring back the 990s

2) keep the 21L fuel capacity

3) get rid of tracks with long straights (except Mugello--we need one classic test of manhood)

How will this fix things?

First, shorter straights means lower top speeds, so Dorna will be happy.

If you bring back the 990's and keep the 21L, bigger engines will be running at lower revs
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I can hear the thunder now. Furthermore, they won't hit really high top speeds down a short straight. Huge power won't be necessary b/c wheely control will back it off. Plus aerodynamics isn't as important so bikes can be styled. No more ducks ..., no more big advantage from being narrow. They can even paint on headlights like NASCAR
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Short straights means investing millions in 5 extra hp of top end hit won't be worth it. Teams will have to focus on chassis dynamics. Teams will be rewarded for working with their riders, regardless of how legendary or excellent they may be.

Engine development costs killed the privateer when 4-strokes were introduced, but, you only need about 200-210 hp to achieve 250-300 kph quickly. A variety of manufacturers can achieve that. Plus, manufacturers can run many of different engine configurations and still make the required power. Twins and triples cost less to manufacture than V-4s and V-5s. If engine costs drop more manufacturers and privateers can play, and they can bring their hairbrained systems with them. It will almost be "run what you brung" which makes for fun racing.

If you reduce the straight length, you have to add turns or run more laps to meet minimum distance requirements. More laps and more turns equals no rest for the tires; compounds will have to be harder. If compounds are harder managing chassis flex and wheel spin will be more important than ever. Those skills are more "seat of the pants" than seat of the microchip. Furthermore, shaping corners will be more important than ever, so people can ride a variety of lines. Harder tires also means reduced corner speeds and more emphasis on race management.

If the tires don't rest, the rider doesn't rest. Big or little won't matter. All you have to do is get in the weight room and bulk up enough to keep the bike on it's side for 50 minutes.

Average speeds will be slower with more turns, so races will be longer. That's one more ad slot without a caution flag. Advertisers will be happy and it won't be any better or any worse than it already is.

Well is this a good long term plan for Dorna? or am I missing something?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Sep 4 2007, 04:09 PM) [snapback]88812[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
1) bring back the 990s

2) keep the 21L fuel capacity

3) get rid of tracks with long straights (except Mugello--we need one classic test of manhood)

How will this fix things?

First, shorter straights means lower top speeds, so Dorna will be happy.

If you bring back the 990's and keep the 21L, bigger engines will be running at lower revs :D I can hear the thunder now. Furthermore, they won't hit really high top speeds down a short straight. Huge power won't be necessary b/c wheely control will back it off. Plus aerodynamics isn't as important so bikes can be styled. No more ducks ..., no more big advantage from being narrow. They can even paint on headlights like NASCAR :lol:

Short straights means investing millions in 5 extra hp of top end hit won't be worth it. Teams will have to focus on chassis dynamics. Teams will be rewarded for working with their riders, regardless of how legendary or excellent they may be.

Engine development costs killed the privateer when 4-strokes were introduced, but, you only need about 200-210 hp to achieve 250-300 kph quickly. A variety of manufacturers can achieve that. Plus, manufacturers can run many of different engine configurations and still make the required power. Twins and triples cost less to manufacture than V-4s and V-5s. If engine costs drop more manufacturers and privateers can play, and they can bring their hairbrained systems with them. It will almost be "run what you brung" which makes for fun racing.

If you reduce the straight length, you have to add turns or run more laps to meet minimum distance requirements. More laps and more turns equals no rest for the tires; compounds will have to be harder. If compounds are harder managing chassis flex and wheel spin will be more important than ever. Those skills are more "seat of the pants" than seat of the microchip. Furthermore, shaping corners will be more important than ever, so people can ride a variety of lines. Harder tires also means reduced corner speeds and more emphasis on race management.

If the tires don't rest, the rider doesn't rest. Big or little won't matter. All you have to do is get in the weight room and bulk up enough to keep the bike on it's side for 50 minutes.

Average speeds will be slower with more turns, so races will be longer. That's one more ad slot without a caution flag. Advertisers will be happy and it won't be any better or any worse than it already is.

Well is this a good long term plan for Dorna? or am I missing something?


I think many of these ideas are good. However, it should be remembered that the natural state of affairs at least for the last 20 years seems to be for honda to be dominant and this situation may well be restored as early as next year.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Sep 4 2007, 05:18 PM) [snapback]88818[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I think many of these ideas are good. However, it should be remembered that the natural state of affairs at least for the last 20 years seems to be for honda to be dominant and this situation may well be restored as early as next year.

theres some good ideas there, we were just debating this very thing in another thread.
 
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Let's break the 500cc two strokes out of mothballs for a few races and see what happens. I would love to see (although I already have a good idea) who would come out on top with those beasts!
please continue on topic
Very good ideas, now can you sell them to Honda?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(L8Braker @ Sep 4 2007, 04:33 PM) [snapback]88827[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
off topic alert
Let's break the 500cc two strokes out of mothballs for a few races and see what happens. I would love to see (although I already have a good idea) who would come out on top with those beasts!
please continue on topic
Very good ideas, now can you sell them to Honda?


I agree; mick doohan is getting pretty old, but he was definitely the master of the 500 two strokes.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(michaelm @ Sep 4 2007, 12:38 PM) [snapback]88831[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
I agree; mick doohan is getting pretty old, but he was definitely the master of the 500 two strokes.

Oh...guess I should have been more specific, I meant the current MotoGP riders on the 500cc two strokes, and I believe Rossi would come out on top. Now if you included Doohan, yea hands down he is the master and would woop all the pups out there today.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(L8Braker @ Sep 4 2007, 04:48 PM) [snapback]88840[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Oh...guess I should have been more specific, I meant the current MotoGP riders on the 500cc two strokes, and I believe Rossi would come out on top. Now if you included Doohan, yea hands down he is the master and would woop all the pups out there today.


Sorry, it is late in australia and I was being frivolous. The current young riders including stoner would need to ascend a very steep learning curve to be competitive with rossi on a 500 two-stroke.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(roger-m @ Sep 5 2007, 02:21 AM) [snapback]88822[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
theres some good ideas there, we were just debating this very thing in another thread.


Yes Roge...but i think we should "Just get rid of the Ducaties & Casey Stoner!!!"

Then motoGP will be back to what it should be!!!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mylexicon @ Sep 4 2007, 06:09 PM) [snapback]88812[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
1) bring back the 990s

2) keep the 21L fuel capacity

3) get rid of tracks with long straights (except Mugello--we need one classic test of manhood)

How will this fix things?

First, shorter straights means lower top speeds, so Dorna will be happy.

If you bring back the 990's and keep the 21L, bigger engines will be running at lower revs
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I can hear the thunder now. Furthermore, they won't hit really high top speeds down a short straight. Huge power won't be necessary b/c wheely control will back it off. Plus aerodynamics isn't as important so bikes can be styled. No more ducks ..., no more big advantage from being narrow. They can even paint on headlights like NASCAR
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Short straights means investing millions in 5 extra hp of top end hit won't be worth it. Teams will have to focus on chassis dynamics. Teams will be rewarded for working with their riders, regardless of how legendary or excellent they may be.

Engine development costs killed the privateer when 4-strokes were introduced, but, you only need about 200-210 hp to achieve 250-300 kph quickly. A variety of manufacturers can achieve that. Plus, manufacturers can run many of different engine configurations and still make the required power. Twins and triples cost less to manufacture than V-4s and V-5s. If engine costs drop more manufacturers and privateers can play, and they can bring their hairbrained systems with them. It will almost be "run what you brung" which makes for fun racing.

If you reduce the straight length, you have to add turns or run more laps to meet minimum distance requirements. More laps and more turns equals no rest for the tires; compounds will have to be harder. If compounds are harder managing chassis flex and wheel spin will be more important than ever. Those skills are more "seat of the pants" than seat of the microchip. Furthermore, shaping corners will be more important than ever, so people can ride a variety of lines. Harder tires also means reduced corner speeds and more emphasis on race management.

If the tires don't rest, the rider doesn't rest. Big or little won't matter. All you have to do is get in the weight room and bulk up enough to keep the bike on it's side for 50 minutes.

Average speeds will be slower with more turns, so races will be longer. That's one more ad slot without a caution flag. Advertisers will be happy and it won't be any better or any worse than it already is.

Well is this a good long term plan for Dorna? or am I missing something?


That's a brilliant plan I'm sure all track owners will be thrilled with the idea of choping their straights, turning their brand new multimillion tracks into mickey mouse kart tracks, so that they lose they F1 (and all other car championships) contracts.

990cc with 21litre tanks will have about the same power as the 800cc, so why the change? Oh yeah to change the sound, manufacturers will be equally happy to know they have to ditch all their work so their bikes sound more of your liking.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CSCVAW @ Sep 4 2007, 05:57 PM) [snapback]88844[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Yes Roge...but i think we should "Just get rid of the Ducaties & Casey Stoner!!!"

Then motoGP will be back to what it should be!!!
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Well it's not so much the Ducati's because Capirossi isn't doing as well as Stoner
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Teomolca @ Sep 4 2007, 06:59 PM) [snapback]88845[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
That's a brilliant plan I'm sure all track owners will be thrilled with the idea of choping their straights, turning their brand new multimillion tracks into mickey mouse kart tracks, so that they lose they F1 (and all other car championships) contracts.

990cc with 21litre tanks will have about the same power as the 800cc, so why the change? Oh yeah to change the sound, manufacturers will be equally happy to know they have to ditch all their work so their bikes sound more of your liking.

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Good ideas but some aren't practical in the present climate. Something definitely has to be done, even Dorna, the teams and riders acknowledge that we're getting bored.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Teomolca @ Sep 4 2007, 12:59 PM) [snapback]88845[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
That's a brilliant plan I'm sure all track owners will be thrilled with the idea of choping their straights, turning their brand new multimillion tracks into mickey mouse kart tracks, so that they lose they F1 (and all other car championships) contracts.

990cc with 21litre tanks will have about the same power as the 800cc, so why the change? Oh yeah to change the sound, manufacturers will be equally happy to know they have to ditch all their work so their bikes sound more of your liking.


You beat me to it
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Teomolca @ Sep 4 2007, 09:59 AM) [snapback]88845[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
That's a brilliant plan I'm sure all track owners will be thrilled with the idea of choping their straights, turning their brand new multimillion tracks into mickey mouse kart tracks, so that they lose they F1 (and all other car championships) contracts.

990cc with 21litre tanks will have about the same power as the 800cc, so why the change? Oh yeah to change the sound, manufacturers will be equally happy to know they have to ditch all their work so their bikes sound more of your liking.


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You can run multiple track configurations. It isn't going to take Indy that long or cost an exorbitant amount of money to build that chicane styled thing on the main straight. It's not that big a deal.

The 990 delivers power much differently than the 800 and I like the sound. No matter how you wanna slice it, the development of the 800 is a sunk cost if you change track configuration. So it would take all of 5 seconds for their finance people to understand that part. The've already spent money on the 990, they probably would like not to have to make further developments to increase power.

Honda would be the easiest sell on the grid b/c Ducati would be instantly slow the year the changes were implemented. I have faith that a Ducati GP twin and the steel trellis would recover, so I'm not worried about their competitve edge.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Reel Nauti @ Sep 5 2007, 05:28 AM) [snapback]88894[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
Good ideas but some aren't practical in the present climate. Something definitely has to be done, even Dorna, the teams and riders acknowledge that we're getting bored.

You may be bored but I'm not! As per usual we get the people saying the racing is boring if one rider dominates. As per usual they are all talking bollocks! This is the way racing goes - in cycles. One rider/manufacturer dominates and the rest play catch up. You can always go watch NASCAR or some other motorsport.
 
What a .... post.

Have you considered how much money and time would have been wasted on the 800cs if we went back to 990. The corner speed was going up anyway because of the TC.

800cs are only a bit slower thats all.

When they design a circuit they have to have variety, no long straights would be a gokart track!

What you said about the circuit would only make the tyres look even more silly.

IMO, just wait for the other manufacturers to catch up... it will happen Ducati can't get any better.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(an4rew @ Sep 5 2007, 04:55 PM) [snapback]88953[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
IMO, just wait for the other manufacturers to catch up... it will happen Ducati can't get any better.


One .... post deserves another hey! Ducati can't get any better?! Of course not ... I'm sure they are resting on there laurels as I type this ...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Son of Doohan @ Sep 5 2007, 05:56 AM) [snapback]88938[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
You may be bored but I'm not! As per usual we get the people saying the racing is boring if one rider dominates. As per usual they are all talking bollocks! This is the way racing goes - in cycles. One rider/manufacturer dominates and the rest play catch up. You can always go watch NASCAR or some other motorsport.


This isn't about one rider dominating. Look at the margins between the top seven riders:

1 27 Casey STONER DUCATI
2 71 Chris VERMEULEN SUZUKI 4.851
3 21 John HOPKINS SUZUKI 16.002
4 33 Marco MELANDRI HONDA 22.737
5 65 Loris CAPIROSSI DUCATI 24.787
6 7 Carlos CHECA HONDA 34.986
7 24 Toni ELIAS HONDA 40.896

Five, eleven, seven, two, ten and six seconds. Where's the racing? The only race that took place on sunday was between West and Elias.
 
Bring back 990's Blah Blah BLAH..
Racing is boring
Its a "Tyre championship"
.... the whales,save 2-strokes
Bring back 500's
Doesnt make sense?
Just like this thread my post is ........
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Reel Nauti @ Sep 5 2007, 08:45 AM) [snapback]88966[/snapback]<div class='quotemain'>
This isn't about one rider dominating. Look at the margins between the top seven riders:

1 27 Casey STONER DUCATI
2 71 Chris VERMEULEN SUZUKI 4.851
3 21 John HOPKINS SUZUKI 16.002
4 33 Marco MELANDRI HONDA 22.737
5 65 Loris CAPIROSSI DUCATI 24.787
6 7 Carlos CHECA HONDA 34.986
7 24 Toni ELIAS HONDA 40.896

Five, eleven, seven, two, ten and six seconds. Where's the racing? The only race that took place on sunday was between West and Elias.


I'm glad someone else actually noticed this, i wrote waht i thought about it in the "motogp less exciting" topic
 

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