I heard this weird thing about Vinales

synn said:

I disagree.

Both Rossi and Vinales have stated in multiple interviews that the lack of rear end traction is the problem with the bike. They both like the chassis. They both think the engine is too aggressive. They both think they electronics need improvement.

The key difference between their opinions is that Rossi thinks that the current bike can’t be improved until major electronic updates and a new engine (next year) comes while Vinales thinks that moving more weight to the rear helps.

Yesterday, it looks like Vinales’ approach was correct. Maybe it does not work for Rossi as he is much heavier.
But as we know by now about the M1, what works on one track doesn’t always work on another. They simply do not have a versatile base set up that’s “Fast enough” on every track like Honda, Ducati and even Suzuki. And that’s not a question of which rider to follow and listen to. Dovi, George and Petrucci all have very different riding styles, yet the Ducati is quite fast out of the box on almost every track. I believe this is what Yamaha will chase during the winter, if they are serious about improving their results.

Click to expand...

RCV600RR said:

Excellent post.

Rossi has been outperforming Mav all year. If he weren't taken out by MM at Argentina, he'd be further ahead.

Mav obviously smashed the field at PI, but he a top rider needs to be much more consistent. He needs to be fast on his bad days too!

Click to expand...

Maverick Viñales ended Yamaha’s 25-race losing streak on Sunday, but how did he do it? After the race he told us: “the team worked in the way I wanted, and that’s unbelievably good”.

I could be wrong, but I don’t think this is the reality, because it suggests his team doesn’t usually work in the way he wants.

Despite ructions within the Viñales garage, there’s no doubt that his crew and Yamaha have his back and they are always trying to help him get the best results. It’s idiocy to suggest otherwise – why would a company invest tens of millions of Euros in a rider to make sure he fails? Regardless of who his team-mate might be…

Click to expand...

Theo said:

Whats the reason he's been outperforming Vinales then, all I've seen is they are trying to make the bike Rossi friendly at the expense of his team mate, when its known that Michelin don't do Rossi front tyres, in fact its illegal to make sns tyres for anyone.

Click to expand...

RCV600RR said:

Excellent post.

Rossi has been outperforming Mav all year. If he weren't taken out by MM at Argentina, he'd be further ahead.

Mav obviously smashed the field at PI, but he a top rider needs to be much more consistent. He needs to be fast on his bad days too!

Click to expand...

RCV600RR said:

Rossi is more adaptable than Mav. The issue with the bike is apparently the flywheel weight and electronics package. Those things aren't really very rider specific (and if one wants a heavier or lighter flywheel, I'd be shocked if Yamaha didn't accommodate).

Click to expand...

RCV600RR said:

Rossi is more adaptable than Mav. The issue with the bike is apparently the flywheel weight and electronics package. Those things aren't really very rider specific (and if one wants a heavier or lighter flywheel, I'd be shocked if Yamaha didn't accommodate).

Click to expand...

Theo said:

Link please to Rossi saying that, I don't think he'd know what a flywheel is if it smacked him, seeing as its in a sealed engine

Click to expand...

Keshav said:

To be fair, I think it's safe to say that if shade-tree mechanics like us know what it is, chances are good that a guy who's been racing this long probably knows what a flywheel is.

Click to expand...

Barbedwirebikerr said:

I've read that Yamaha are the only team with an internal flywheel weight, and therefore cannot change it according to sealed engine rules.

A massive oversight by team Yamaha.

Click to expand...

povol said:

The narrower V-4’s allow for an external flywheel which allows them to plug and play different weighted flywheels without breaking open the engine. The in line 4 is to wide for an external flywheel so they are stuck with what they got with the sealed engine rule. Ducat and Honda have this capability, not sure if KTM or Aprilia have implemented yet. This is the reason you have heard all the squaking from Rossi about switching to a V4 . The advantage of the I4 is adjustability of the engine itself for handling which Yamaha would lose if they switch .

Click to expand...

Theo said:

I'm not so sure, has he ever got his hands dirty working on a bike, does he know how to strip down a bike and rebuild it. I don't think many of todays professional racers would have a clue. Amateurs yes, because they don't have that sort of money to waste.

Have you ever seen him or any of them look in a racing mechanics tool box?

Click to expand...

Keshav said:

C'mon mate. I can't strip down and rebuild an air conditioner but I know where the coil, the motor, the starter etc are located. Remember, Rossi wasn't always a big-shot. I imagine he started out as on-the-cheap amateur like everybody else.

Click to expand...

Theo said:

Link please to Rossi saying that, I don't think he'd know what a flywheel is if it smacked him, seeing as its in a sealed engine

Click to expand...

JPSLotus said:

At the time of the Vinales signing I thought it was a poor decision by Yamaha and said so on here. The GSX-RR was a better bike for him as he seemed to have a lot of confidence on the bike. By now he probably could have been winning races for them instead of sulking in the garage or punching the bike. He's a spoiled brat who can't deal with not winning races or having to ride around problems. He should go back to Suzuki.

Click to expand...

JPSLotus said:

At the time of the Vinales signing I thought it was a poor decision by Yamaha and said so on here. The GSX-RR was a better bike for him as he seemed to have a lot of confidence on the bike. By now he probably could have been winning races for them instead of sulking in the garage or punching the bike. He's a spoiled brat who can't deal with not winning races or having to ride around problems. He should go back to Suzuki.

Click to expand...