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How Ducati Fixed Casey Stoner's Front End Woes

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How Ducati Fixed Casey Stoner's Front End Woes

Submitted by David Emmett on Tue, 2010-10-26 21:54.

Casey Stoner's 2010 MotoGP season has been blighted by crashes. Starting at Qatar, where the Australian crashed out while leading the race after dominating throughout practice, Stoner faced a number of front end issues with his Ducati Desmosedici, adding a second crash at Le Mans to his troubles.



Things started to improve from Mugello, where Stoner's side of Marlboro Ducati garage decided to go back to the narrower forks they had used in 2009, and the crashes stopped happening. This still left Stoner struggling with front end grip though, and unable to find a setup that he felt comfortable enough with to push at the front.



That all changed at Aragon: Casey Stoner's team finally found the solution they had been chasing, and since making those changes to the bike, Stoner has gone on to win three out of four races, dominating in eerily familiar form. Only an early race crash at Sepang prevented Stoner from making it four in a row, the Australian doing penance by destroying the rest of the field at his home Grand Prix at Phillip Island.



So what caused this turnaround? What changed between Misano and Aragon, that allowed the Australian to shine once again? After the race at the Motorland Aragon circuit, Stoner explained to journalists what changes had been made to the setup of his Marlboro Ducati that had made the transformation possible. The team had identified Stoner's reconstructed wrist as the cause of the problems, and adjusted the bike accordingly, Stoner explained.



"Basically, I don't have the mobility in my wrist after the bone graft," Stoner told journalists. "[The bone graft has]completely locked my wrist in a lot of areas, and I can't get the same movement that I can on the other one for the inside of the corner."



The solution, Stoner explained, was to change Stoner's seating position on the bike. "We just put my weight further forward so I don't have to do it physically like I used to. I used to maybe go into a corner, get myself a little bit further forward, get the weight over it. Now we've just done this setup-wise." The change had literally made Stoner more comfortable on the bike, having reduced the stress on the Australian's shoulder, he explained. "It's actually taken a lot of weight off my shoulder. Normally, my shoulder really hurts during the end of every session. After every race, my left shoulder is just destroyed. And [Aragon] is a left-hand track with a lot of left-hand braking points, and I didn't have any problems."



The team had moved Stoner slightly further back, but stretching him out at the same time. "I've basically lengthened from the beginning of the tank to the handlebars, they're further away as well. By doing that, stretching me out a little bit, but at the same time, putting my weight forward, it's balanced me out quite well."









http://motomatters.com/news/2010/10/26/how_ducati_fixed_casey_stoner_s_front_en.html





Roll on 2011 sounds like the cheat Vale will be all set the bang his way to a 2011 title
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is that Yam's teeth i can hear chattering ?
 
Roll on 2011 sounds like the cheat Vale will be all set the bang his way to a 2011 title
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Is a pretty old bit of info., its basically what he said just pre Aragon race ( after warm up ).



But its an odd bit of info. when questions of Rossi on the Duc. are brought up. Basically Stoner said they fixed it for "his" wrist, doesn't suggest its a general rider fix. Especially when one considers Haydens performance since the change. I wonder if its Stoner's way of taunting Vale, post the "fix the bike before I get there" jibe
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Casey has answered "ok. I fixed it ...... for me"
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2011 is going to be fun
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Thats interesting, i hadn't heard his wrist mobility brought into this yet. The new riding position is something he can carry over to Honda and hopefully avoid most of this years problems. Good ....
 
Thats interesting, i hadn't heard his wrist mobility brought into this yet.



Pretty sure he did say it in his Aragon podium speach, only they do seem to be focussing on it more. I was thinkng if the team is going with him now to Honda, they are having a bit of fun with it back at Rossi. Excellent fun if it is the case
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As i understand Stoner and his team has been searching all season for a sustainable sollution.The front forks seems to give better feedback when the front slipps too much,and the rider-weight-solution is probarbly just a quick fix,to this exact bike.

But as Hayden has said it's still hard to find the right set up,Rossi still has the same amount of work to do next season,probarbly, i'm guessing.
 
Thats interesting, i hadn't heard his wrist mobility brought into this yet. The new riding position is something he can carry over to Honda and hopefully avoid most of this years problems. Good ....

There has been low level undercurrent stuff about his wrist since he had the operation in 2008, I recall something about the bone graft being too big, and suggestions that it interfered with him training for the 2009 season and contributed to his problems then. Who knows? He has at least waited till he was in winning form before attributing poor results to it. You would think there was more to it than just a physical problem with him though, as others on the ducati, and he previously in his premier class career including prior to ducati seem to have had problems with front end loses, and even valentino's crash and injury this year was attributed to difficulties keeping the current bridgestone fronts at operating temperature. Whilst stoner is not known much for subterfuge, as barry implies I suspect at this point in time he wouldn't go out of his way to offer valentino and jb helpful advice. Jb seems confident the set-up problems with the ducati are geometric and easily fixable, and you would think he would know, although he seemed to specifically exclude stoner from his comments. Jb and valentino will presumably have knowledge of stoner's settings anyway ; perhaps ducati should wrest the ducati from his grasp immediately he finishes the last race so his crew can't change them.



Btw, mdubstylie's assessment that he had a poor diet and was not in good physical shape in 2009 could correlate with this problem and with the lactose intolerance thing; as discussed at the time he is well known as a physical fitness fanatic but if he couldn't train normally and anything containing milk ( very many things in western food, or australian western food anyway) made him feel crook perhaps it could all hang together in some fashion. I have never doubted mdubstylie's knowledge and expertise as a physical trainer, just his credentials in psychiatry.
 
So without going into details he is effectively saying that he him self pushed the bike to the ground because he couldn't get feel enough and accuracy enough in the wrist?



I'm sure that scares the hell out of Rossi BM.
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the Wrist injury didn't effect pre season / sounds like a Soak
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or the off's he's had irritated it or Teddy throwing did
 

Well, the bike went down "every where" due to his wrist injury. That means he did something wrong because of the injury, it's not like the bike got scared and laid down.1 + 1 = 2 I know that's slightly above your skills but it's still the way it is.
 
Well, the bike went down "every where" due to his wrist injury. That means he did something wrong because of the injury, it's not like the bike got scared and laid down.1 + 1 = 2 I know that's slightly above your skills but it's still the way it is.



But you said "pushed" the bike to the ground? Are you saying he deliberately dropped it
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But you said "pushed" the bike to the ground? Are you saying he deliberately dropped it
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Well, it could be different but the most common way to lowside is to be a bit too rigid holding the bars when a front end slide starts. If you hold the steering locked in that position that is the equivalent of pushing the inner bar as the front always want to steer into the turn when the front slides. Failing to let the front steer where it want will slam the bike to the ground. Certainly not deliberately but non the less what I would call pushing the bike to the ground.Considering what they explained I find that scenario to be the most likely, especially as these guys have more front end slide in a race than I've ever had in my life, and they are on the limit all the time. A little lack of feeling or wrong angle to get the input right could I imagine result in low sides.

If you have something better to suggest I'm all ears.
 
Well, it could be different but the most common way to lowside is to be a bit too rigid holding the bars when a front end slide starts. If you hold the steering locked in that position that is the equivalent of pushing the inner bar as the front always want to steer into the turn when the front slides. Failing to let the front steer where it want will slam the bike to the ground. Certainly not deliberately but non the less what I would call pushing the bike to the ground.Considering what they explained I find that scenario to be the most likely, especially as these guys have more front end slide in a race than I've ever had in my life, and they are on the limit all the time. A little lack of feeling or wrong angle to get the input right could I imagine result in low sides.

If you have something better to suggest I'm all ears.



I know its hard for them to accept that the blame needs to be shared between Ducati and Stoner for his season.



Any bike that walks away form the field as Stoner has done 2.5 times recently, is certainly well sorted, I believe if Ducati had a little more help (and Talent) from their Satellite efforts, as Yamaha and Honda do, and a lead rider who could diagnose problems sooner, then we would have seen a much different outcome this year.
 
I know its hard for them to accept that the blame needs to be shared between Ducati and Stoner for his season.



Any bike that walks away form the field as Stoner has done 2.5 times recently, is certainly well sorted, I believe if Ducati had a little more help (and Talent) from their Satellite efforts, as Yamaha and Honda do, and a lead rider who could diagnose problems sooner, then we would have seen a much different outcome this year.

Only 2 weeks till the post valencia test. Much should become clear fairly quickly then.