HEY, will you just WEIGHT a minute

there might be an advantage for dani, but wot did they all do on 500's? it hasnt reeli gone down much since it went up, but it is fair because they cant make pedrosa put on weight or anything...anyway he might be good at riding those 800's but that isnt all down to his weight

i dont think it would make that much difference,especially when where talking about 270 hp in a 130kg bike. what is deemed to be an advantage in one aspect is more than likely going to be a disadvantage in another i.e a lighter person may be advantaged at the start and long straights but a disadvantage in quick turn corners. a lot has been said about the smaller 800s and there being compared to 250s but in realality there the same weight and similar horsepower and only 190cc smaller. i dont think theres going to be a lot of difference.

Pointless comparing the new 800's to the 2-stroke 500's Louzi.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Nov 6 2006, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Pointless comparing the new 800's to the 2-stroke 500's Louzi.

no, but i am trying to say that if the 500's were small and everything, they went up to 990's, a big leap, whereas the 800's arent as far apart from the 990's now...do u understand wot i mean?

Haha what a preposterous argument, just because the rest are fat bustards doesn't mean you can penalise Dani for being skinny and light.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Nov 6 2006, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i dont think it would make that much difference,especially when where talking about 270 hp in a 130kg bike. what is deemed to be an advantage in one aspect is more than likely going to be a disadvantage in another i.e a lighter person may be advantaged at the start and long straights but a disadvantage in quick turn corners. a lot has been said about the smaller 800s and there being compared to 250s but in realality there the same weight and similar horsepower and only 190cc smaller. i dont think theres going to be a lot of difference.

I think you are absolutly right. I will argue that creating a total minimum weight on the GP bikes would actually put the lighter riders at a negative handicap.
Such a limit on bikes will work very different from cars as on a car you can consider all but the wheels and suspension dead, sprung weight, while on a bike the rider can do so much to influence the ride with his weight and movement.
Anyone with some experience know how much different contact with the bike influence the ride and some of the things you can do to improve the ride will vary with weight and power applied.

On a gp bike movement back and forth influence front and rear wheel lift, a high speed chicane demand weight and power to force all those turning parts out of their gyroscopic direction. Braking (at maximum) is nowdays not a matter of avoiding overheated slides but putting maximum force to the ground.
I'm not saying that there are no advantages for lighter riders; tyre wear, accelereation curve speed are all paces where a lighter rider might be able to exploit an advantage, if he or she is god enough. But until Pedrosa starts reiding away from everyone I say: keep the rules as they are.

On 250 and 125 the storry is different due to so much less power and I actually think there should be a limit in 250 as there is on 125.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alex @ Nov 6 2006, 08:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Haha what a preposterous argument, just because the rest are fat bustards doesn't mean you can penalise Dani for being skinny and light.


just preposterous! lol

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (4..louzi..2 @ Nov 6 2006, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>no, but i am trying to say that if the 500's were small and everything, they went up to 990's, a big leap, whereas the 800's arent as far apart from the 990's now...do u understand wot i mean?
yeah i no what your saying but the thing to remember is a 2 stroke engine has a power stroke every second stroke hence a 2 stroke and a 4 stroke has a power stroke every fourth stroke so the way of thinking was you would need 4 stroke engine twice the size of the 2 stroke to get the same amount of power. but with new technologys they are now getting closer hence 800s instead of 990s
i wonder how many years untill we have 250 hp 500cc 4 strokes,not many me thinks.

I think Teo said they introduced the combined weight thing in 125s in Spain or somthing to stop Pedrosa winning... and it didn't work. Hey there might just be a talented rider under there.
What Babel said is spot on, and to add to that there's the rain. Dani sucks once the heavens open up, because he's light. He can't get the traction that the other guys do.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Nov 6 2006, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>yeah i no what your saying but the thing to remember is a 2 stroke engine has a power stroke every second stroke hence a 2 stroke and a 4 stroke has a power stroke every fourth stroke so the way of thinking was you would need 4 stroke engine twice the size of the 2 stroke to get the same amount of power. but with new technologys they are now getting closer hence 800s instead of 990s
i wonder how many years untill we have 250 hp 500cc 4 strokes,not many me thinks.

u understood! i agree wiv wot u sed^