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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Frizzle @ Oct 30 2008, 10:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Marco was more than 2 seconds slower than Casey on his first test.
Like I said it's early days but it looks promising. We all know he wont quit working at it either.
He is now in a better environment. He will be able to share data with the other Ducati riders too, so I think things are on the up for him.


1. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team (
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1min 32.348 secs
12. Marco Melandri ITA Ducati Marlboro Team (
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1min 34.433 secs
We may want to use Marco as a fair measure of being able to ride anything at the moment....

Why? Monday of testing he was able to ride the crap Kwak quicker than Nicky on the Duc...

10. Marco Melandri ITA Kawasaki Racing Team (
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1min 33.782 sec
12. Nicky Hayden USA Ducati Marlboro Team (
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1min 33.960 sec

So in my view the only measure that counts on being able to ride the Duc to the level it needs to be ridden to be in the top is Casey....if you can get close to Casey then your are close to Dani, Vale and Jorge....and these are the guys to beat not Marco...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redsilver @ Oct 30 2008, 09:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, you're right! I forgot about that! Maybe Marco has forgotten somthing!

Yeah, that is one hot powerslide by Marco....on worn out rain tires and a very damp track, no??

I'm not knocking Marco, he is one of my favorites....but, he is a front-end rider. i.e. 250 style, wheels in line, smooth in, smooth out. Biaggi, Marco, Dani, etc. have this style. Just because he can showboat on a corner exit with a 990cc HONDA does not make a strong argument for him in regards to grabbing a bike by the neck and tossing it into the curve, doing the herky-jerky, and playing bucking bronco rider on the way out, sliding both wheels. This is the way Bayliss rides the 1098R.

It's just a Ducati thing...and evidently, Marco couldn't understand
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That's why he was immediately faster on the Kwaka....great bike for mid-corner speed, just like the Suzuki (and Yamaha, to a lesser extent).

This is just my take on things, by no means am I the expert...



P.S. L8Braker, where ya at??? RalNC here!!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Oct 31 2008, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've always maintained that to make the Duc go you have to be one of 2 things - either very very brave or very very stupid. I never quite figured out which of the two Stoner is...maybe both.
When I say stupid I don't mean it in a bad way...I mean simply being the sort who doesn't question things but rather accepts them.

Me thinks brave and stupid are antonyms...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bikergirl @ Nov 1 2008, 02:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I've always maintained that to make the Duc go you have to be one of 2 things - either very very brave or very very stupid. I never quite figured out which of the two Stoner is...maybe both.
When I say stupid I don't mean it in a bad way...I mean simply being the sort who doesn't question things but rather accepts them.
For that reason Marco and the Duc were never going to be a match made in heaven. Marco thinks too much and questions everything, ....

Bikergirl, I'm not taking the piss, but I'm having a great laugh right now thinking about Marco as a philosopher.

Marco the philosopher King of motogp.

I'm thinking of that statue by Auguste Rodin...


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Nov 1 2008, 03:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And, for the same reasons, no-one rooting for Lorenzo harder than Stoner.
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Being part Aussie, typing that made me feel more than slightly sick
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Well a divisive post deserved a divisive post and this got nearly a good as laugh from me as the philosopher King...


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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (povol @ Oct 30 2008, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>How qualified is Julian Ryder to say what he said,for those in the know.

Julian makes no secret of being a Hayden fan, he tends to write and speak very pro-hayden. Lets just hope he's right anyway.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yello13 @ Oct 30 2008, 11:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Nicky's goal for the first half of the year should be to win laguna.

Nickies goal should be to win the title
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Nov 1 2008, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Julian makes no secret of being a Hayden fan, he tends to write and speak very pro-hayden. Lets just hope he's right anyway.

I've never thought he was pro-Hayden, any more than he is pro-Rossi or pro-Stoner. He writes positive articles about them too.
He isn't dismissive of him, but that's not the same thing.
 
Julian answered that at the Malaysian GP (when we had the whole Hayden-Puig soap) where both he and Toby admitted that they favour certain riders as people, simply as they are nice guys. And they specifically mentioned Hayden and Guinters there.

That said, both are qualified enough to judge riding and analyse lap times. And after having seen MM struggle with the damn bike for a year, they probably know when it is being ridden proper.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jumkie @ Oct 30 2008, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I'm very cautious about all of this. Nicky did 'fair' all things considered (first time on unique bike, bstones, new team, emotions, etc.) But racing is another complete animal.

As far as the team's comments, what were they gonna say, 'oh crap we made a mistake?' I suppose I'm a bit cautious because the last two years have been such a disasters, two years wasted and now he is a bit older and increased pressure. If he doesn't do well it may be curtain time in the future. ....damn, my post season depression is in full swing!

A bit of a spoiler or cautious too jumkie… Ducati has to talk nicely because Hayden will get them more sales than Melandri would. Hayden may or not tame the beast, but ‘Commercially’ there is no comparison between them. It is a lot about money as been pointed out several times.

On another matter, too much ‘niceness’ could affect Hayden for better, or worse. If Hayden is the type that ‘Performs best under pressure and against trouble’ and knew how to handle it, he may lose concentration.

Jumkie, don’t hate me for this points, you and I are brothers… but have to see all factors involved and wait to see how it turns out, it seems too early to have a correct conclusion.
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Yes this is bleeding long but as the whole article is even longer, from this week's Friday round up over at Road Racer X:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Obviously, the one most people were holding their breath on was Nicky’s debut with the Ducati Desmosedici, not the least of whom was Nicky himself. Starline Designs had even prepared the American a special “Chapter 2” logo for the event (though, as the author of the authorized Hayden biography, I should point out that this would technically be Chapter 14). Anyway, I asked Nicky this morning what it felt like to go out on that first lap, and he laughed before explaining: “I’ve ridden a lot of different motorcycles I my life—dirt bikes, scooters, Harley Sportsters, speedway bikes, trials bikes, pretty much everything—but when I rode out of the pits on that Duck, it was pretty special. I felt pretty proud to have that opportunity, and I feel a lot of pride to get to ride for that team and factory. It’s quite a strange bike. Just riding out of pit row, the way it reacts to the pit lane speedometer is a little bit different.”

Nicky explained that the Desmosedici uses a completely different clutch system, and that when you have to push hard to even get it and the electronics to kick in. “You have to let the clutch do a lot more work,” he said. “If you try to use it halfway, it doesn’t work.”

As for the test, Nicky said, “I enjoyed it, I really did. The bike has a lot of potential. I know it’s not an easy bike to ride, and there’s a lot of stuff to get used to, but it was a fun experience.”

…he was careful to thank Honda for a nearly decade-long partnership.
Nicky’s right. In addition to the bike itself, there’s a new tire brand (Bridgestone instead of Michelin), new suspension (Ohlins instead of Showa), new electronics (Magnetti Marelli instead of Honda’s in-house system), and even the Brembo brakes are different than those on the Honda. It would probably be easier to switch to a different Japanese brand, for example, but #69 obviously recognizes the promise that the D16 holds if he can both adapt its setup to him and adapt his style to it. He ended up twelfth-fastest on day one and was quickest of the seven riders who went out on the wet second day. His 1’33.960” dry best was about one and a half seconds off the benchmark set by his teammate Casey Stoner, and Hayden figures that his ideal time—what he’d have posted had he managed to do every section right in the same lap—would have been about a 1’33.4”. Better consistency will probably come with more time on the bike, although Nicky did admit to feeling he hit a sort of plateau toward the end of Monday. As for his Tuesday feat, it was something that had initially seemed out of reach.

“My first run in the wet was terrible!” he admitted. “My out-lap was so slow, I think I lost all the heat in the tire! By the time I got ready to push, I basically had an ice-cold tire and thought I might tip over I was going so slow. We came in and made a few changes and stuff, and I actually got some pretty valuable time in the wet. The bike was a lot different in the rain. Even though I only got twenty laps, it was twenty valuable laps.” Part of the reason so few riders did much time in the wet was that they only had one set of rain tires each.

Nicky and all of the riders could have done with some more dry time, because this off-season’s test schedule is cut almost in half, with most of the outings being just two-day affairs. The number of tires available for testing is also limited, which means Nicky may not always be able to put in his marathon testing days.

Of course Nicky is also switching from a Japanese team to an Italian squad, and he noticed a difference. “Their approach is different, and just the way the team is structured, which I knew going in. At Honda, there was the crew chief and then a suspension guy, a data guy, and so on, whereas now there’s a chief mechanic and a crew chief that sort of work together. Honestly, I didn’t get a complete understanding, because they also had engineers from the company there for the new bike—as did the other teams—so there were a lot of people and I’ve still got some names to learn.”

I though the plateau thing was very interesting.
I guess we will see, Nicky is a bit screwed with the reduced test schedule and new tires but I am sure he will put all the effort in he can. After all, he had to ride a 2007 Honda
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