great from greatness

The difference between great and greatness is the mind.
Trying to outperform you opponent is key, but it's just as key to not try to outperform your own LIMITS.
This is key in racing
This separates VR from CS (IMO), not talent (not saying that VR is doesnt have more talent than CS, although "I" believe he does).
VR has a maturity that CS does not, and not a maturity that comes with age.
Right now I believe (among other things) VR has a maturity that no other rider (I've seen) has or has had in recent times (I'm speaking of motogp only). You can see it in his riding and in the way he conducts himself (usually).
Which separates him from everyone else in motogp
maybe I'm just high and talking out of my "arse" (as some of you gents, and ladies would say)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kngadrok @ Aug 6 2008, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>talking out of my "arse" (as some of you gents, and ladies would say)
You said it mate

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kngadrok @ Aug 6 2008, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The difference between great and greatness is the mind.
Trying to outperform you opponent is key, but it's just as key to not try to outperform your own LIMITS.
This is key in racing
This separates VR from CS (IMO), not talent (not saying that VR is doesnt have more talent than CS, although "I" believe he does).
VR has a maturity that CS does not, and not a maturity that comes with age.
Right now I believe (among other things) VR has a maturity that no other rider (I've seen) has or has had in recent times (I'm speaking of motogp only). You can see it in his riding and in the way he conducts himself (usually).
Which separates him from everyone else in motogp
maybe I'm just high and talking out of my "arse" (as some of you gents, and ladies would say)


how quickly we forget 07 ..... that was pure demoralisation ...... and if they had not stuffed up the settings earlier in 08 ...... I have this funny feeling we would have seen just more of the same ...... lucky for the viewers who like a battle Rossi has got more gumption this year due to the early poor Ducati performance ...... had Casey's Duc have even got him to 2 thirds the series would look very different ATM ... and Ross may hav egiven up by now ... as he did in 07. ........ I think Stoner knows this so all he has to do is plug away and when he gets in front he knows the pressure will get to Rossi again as it did in 07.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Aug 6 2008, 09:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>how quickly we forget 07 ..... that was pure demoralisation ...... and if they had not stuffed up the settings earlier in 08 ...... I have this funny feeling we would have seen just more of the same ...... lucky for the viewers who like a battle Rossi has got more gumption this year due to the early poor Ducati performance ...... had Casey's Duc have even got him to 2 thirds the series would look very different ATM ... and Ross may hav egiven up by now ... as he did in 07. ........ I think Stoner knows this so all he has to do is plug away and when he gets in front he knows the pressure will get to Rossi again as it did in 07.

Yeah, we forget quickly. Not the least those that thought Rossi were yesterdays news, to old, past his best and at best would end up 4th.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 6 2008, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, we forget quickly. Not the least those that thought Rossi were yesterdays news, to old, past his best and at best would end up 4th.


5th ! not 4th! get it right

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Aug 6 2008, 08:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Yeah, we forget quickly. Not the least those that thought Rossi were yesterdays news, to old, past his best and at best would end up 4th.

yeah, rossi was ahas been and stoner was the new mick doohan

the thing rossi has over stoner is experience and thats what showed at laguna ,i believe rossis strength of mind is helped by this experiance

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (roger-m @ Aug 6 2008, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> yeah, rossi was ahas been and stoner was the new mick doohan

the thing rossi has over stoner is experience and thats what showed at laguna ,i believe rossis strength of mind is helped by this experiance


Laguna has become "the straw" now has it Rog. theres still the matter of 10 races last year and 4 others this year that don't gel with all the hype about the Mesiah returning ....... although I note 1 race seems all it takes how come you guys weren't raving so badly about Rossi's other wins this year?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Aug 6 2008, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Laguna has become "the straw" now has it Rog. theres still the matter of 10 races last year and 4 others this year that don't gel with all the hype about the Mesiah returning ....... although I note 1 race seems all it takes how come you guys weren't raving so badly about Rossi's other wins this year?
It was a pretty amazing win and credit must be given; rossi won whilst not appearing to have the speed to do so, check mat mladin's comments.

I do agree with you that this does not mean stoner will never beat him again , with factors such as the unique nature of the laguna seca track, casey possibly having a different approach in the next close race, and the likelihood that rossi probably can't ride this close to the edge in every race without losing it on occasion as he almost did at the corkscrew coming into play, amongst others.

double post, sorry.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Aug 7 2008, 12:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I do agree with you that this does not mean stoner will never beat him again ,

I didn't say Stoner would beat Rossi again ...... nor vice versa ....... in my book, who knows? ..... and I don't think it matters one way or the other ........ I just like it when there are a few "standouts to watch ..... thats all I ask

What I was getting at was of all Rossi's victories this year ... what was so special about Laguna?

well since i'm also in the 100 mile high club right now...and i have enough pain in my life atm so i won't read bother reading McBarrys B.S...i'll sum it up this-r-way

Heros are remembered, Legends never die.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Aug 6 2008, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What I was getting at was of all Rossi's victories this year ... what was so special about Laguna?

With the other 3 wins it could be argued by me anyway that the yamaha was well sorted and the ducati perhaps not so much; I don't think there was any problem with stoner's ducati at laguna other than a yamaha occupying the preferred lines ahead of it most of the time.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (michaelm @ Aug 7 2008, 12:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>With the other 3 wins it could be argued by me anyway that the yamaha was well sorted and the ducati perhaps not so much; I don't think there was any problem with stoner's ducati at laguna other than a yamaha occupying the preferred lines ahead of it most of the time.


Hmmm possibly? ..... but based on the logic then could it not be argued that Stoners Ducati was not up to par at Laguna as his other victories were somewhat more dominating ...... ie. why of all places, did Rossi get near him at Laguna? .... why not Qatar?, Donny?, etc.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Aug 6 2008, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Laguna has become "the straw" now has it Rog. theres still the matter of 10 races last year and 4 others this year that don't gel with all the hype about the Mesiah returning ....... although I note 1 race seems all it takes how come you guys weren't raving so badly about Rossi's other wins this year?
and your forgetting that rossi has also won 4 races this year and is leading the championship by 1 clear race. i would say he has returned !

Stoner had a .... start to the year. If he had been on form from day one the championship would be very different. Personally, I like it like this and breakdowns whatever are a part of racing but be realistic. Rossi would be far behind if not for the Ducati problems early on. I'm starting to sound like a Stoner fan but I'm really not. Just get the facts in the proper perspective and let the chips fall where they may.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kngadrok @ Aug 6 2008, 01:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The difference between great and greatness is the mind.
Trying to outperform you opponent is key, but it's just as key to not try to outperform your own LIMITS.
This is key in racing
This separates VR from CS (IMO), not talent (not saying that VR is doesnt have more talent than CS, although "I" believe he does).
VR has a maturity that CS does not, and not a maturity that comes with age.
Right now I believe (among other things) VR has a maturity that no other rider (I've seen) has or has had in recent times (I'm speaking of motogp only). You can see it in his riding and in the way he conducts himself (usually).
Which separates him from everyone else in motogp
maybe I'm just high and talking out of my "arse" (as some of you gents, and ladies would say)
I agree with you to a point. The mind is a very impressive tool in racing especially since you have to be able to calculate many different things during the race weekend. Set ups choices, among others are something that you have to have a brain for. I think that your wrong in that there is a seperation between Vale and Casey in this because you are at a level that very few ever get to be in let alone win the championship. We all know Vale is the greatest since he by the fact he has been there longer and has had more time to prove his skills. Casey could potentially win more motogp championships than Valentino if Vale leaves when he said he was ready to retire in the next 2 years. I also need to point out that there is an age difference which you would also have a bit of maturity differences as well due to this. When I first read the post all I kept thinking was how much of a fanboy post it is. I think your reaching for something that is barely there and obvious due to age and longevity in the sport.

But that is it, Rossi proved to be a better rider than Stoner in the early years (125 & 250s) so in that aspect Rossi is better. Stoner has so much to prove, and Rossi is going to be in the way for about another 2 years. He proved last year that there stands a chance, and I'm soo looking forward to seeing him try.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 6 2008, 11:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When I first read the post all I kept thinking was how much of a fanboy post it is. I think your reaching for something that is barely there and obvious due to age and longevity in the sport.

that's funny because I can't stand Rossi, but I recognize his greatness.
nice try anyway

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kngadrok @ Aug 7 2008, 01:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>that's funny because I can't stand Rossi, but I recognize his greatness.
nice try anyway
No question of his greatness and all that. But the post does read a bit fanboyish which is fine not makin fun dude so don't get your panties all in a bunch. I agree with what your saying for the most part.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ROCKGOD01 @ Aug 7 2008, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No question of his greatness and all that. But the post does read a bit fanboyish which is fine not makin fun dude so don't get your panties all in a bunch. I agree with what your saying for the most part.


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