So... USF1 are even more .... than i predicted and can't even build a car. Ferrari are looking good and have already copied Mclarens engine cover design. It's still close to call though. Can't wait to see how its gonna pan out when it counts. I think Alonso looks best for it at the moment.
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UK.TV
Sakhir, 12-14 March, 2010
Friday 12 March
Practice one: 0655-0835, BBC Red Button/online.. = > sky/cable/freesat/freeview 301/303
Practice two: 1100-1230, BBC Red Button/online..
Saturday 13 March
Practice three: 0755-0855, BBC Red Button/online
Qualifying: 1000-1230, BBC One/online and BBC Radio 5 live/online
Sunday 14 March
Race: 1110-1415, BBC One/online and BBC Radio 5 live/online
Post race forum: 1415-1515, BBC Red Button/online
Highlights: 1900-2000 and 0150-0245, BBC Three (highlights then looped on Red Button)
UK.TV
Sakhir, 12-14 March, 2010
Friday 12 March
Practice one: 0655-0835, BBC Red Button/online.. = > sky/cable/freesat/freeview 301/303
Practice two: 1100-1230, BBC Red Button/online..
Saturday 13 March
Practice three: 0755-0855, BBC Red Button/online
Qualifying: 1000-1230, BBC One/online and BBC Radio 5 live/online
Sunday 14 March
Race: 1110-1415, BBC One/online and BBC Radio 5 live/online
Post race forum: 1415-1515, BBC Red Button/online
Highlights: 1900-2000 and 0150-0245, BBC Three (highlights then looped on Red Button)
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What's up with this Aussie ? lately he's doing some big soaking recently.?
Formula One 2010: modern drivers are not 'real men', says Mark Webber
Cars are easy to drive and racers are unprepared for demands of F1 says Australian.
By Tom Cary, F1 Correspondent
Mark Webber is not a man to mince his words. In the past few weeks he has labelled the sport which has made him rich and famous "embarrassing", and called the decision to allow untested debutants, Hispania Racing, on to the 2010 grid as "Mickey Mouse", adding that it would have made more sense to field MotoGP star Valentino Rossi in Bahrain this Sunday on his motorbike.
So when Red Bull's Australian driver, the "dark horse" for this year's championship according to his team principal Christian Horner, tells you he does not consider F1's emerging brat pack to be "real men" in the way that their predecessors were, it does not cause the same shockwaves as if, say, Jenson Button had said it.
"The cars are easier to drive," he explains. "You don't look at these guys and think 'they are real men'. They are talented, no question, but there is less in common.
"There is power steering now; a lot of things that make the cars easier to drive. That's why these youngsters can get away with it. I came through the categories with gear sticks and what have you. And that was beneficial for me. But there is no point whingeing about it. They come along and do a good job for the most part. Some don't.
"But every now and again – whether it's a Lewis [Hamilton] or a Seb [Vettel] – they can, with phenomenal grooming, come in and do a good job."
A lot of people would read those comments and think "arrogant" but that is not Webber's intention. He is just trying to give an honest appraisal of an issue that vexes him; that of youngsters turning up in Formula One unprepared for its demands.
In fact, in an effort to redress the balance, Webber has set up a team in the new GP3 feeder series this season with Horner, which he intends to use as a vehicle to prepare young talent properly.
"I want them to learn from what I learnt along the way," he says. "Teaching them that when they get that meeting with [McLaren team principal] Martin Whitmarsh, they haven't made it, because he has had every ------ in there.
"I won't hold their hand. For me, if someone is holding a silver spoon for you the whole way through, when you get to the top someone like Fernando [Alonso] will rip you to smithereens. You have to have been in the back alleys."
As someone who was managed by Flavio Briatore until the Italian's recent ban, a cynic might suggest Webber would be well schooled in the dark arts, but he defends his former manager.
"You know, we have some stale individuals in this paddock," he says. "Flavio was a character, flamboyant. You need those types in every sport. The Jose Mourinhos of this world."
In any case, Webber intends to bring all of his street-fighting expertise to bear this season. Written off as a talented, but ultimately doomed driver after stints at Minardi, Jaguar and Williams, he finally found himself in a winning car last year.
And despite driving the season with metal pins in his leg as a result of a horrific mountain-bike accident, he went a long way to proving his doubters wrong, picking up his first ever victory – at the 130th attempt – in Germany, before repeating the trick in Brazil. He ended the year in fourth place in the drivers' championship. It was a huge confidence boost.
Now he believes he can become the first Australian since Alan Jones in 1980 to lift the title, although not many would agree with him.
"It is all motivation for me," he shrugs. "I'll do my talking on the track." But before he goes he cannot resist having a typically forthright say on the comeback of Michael Schumacher. "I think it will be a bloody hard season for him," he says. "I think he'll go all right but I have never, ever seen a phenomenal comeback. When has the second career ever been better than the first?"
Once again the honesty hits you. Formula One will miss Webber when he has gone.
Formula One 2010: modern drivers are not 'real men', says Mark Webber
Cars are easy to drive and racers are unprepared for demands of F1 says Australian.
By Tom Cary, F1 Correspondent
Mark Webber is not a man to mince his words. In the past few weeks he has labelled the sport which has made him rich and famous "embarrassing", and called the decision to allow untested debutants, Hispania Racing, on to the 2010 grid as "Mickey Mouse", adding that it would have made more sense to field MotoGP star Valentino Rossi in Bahrain this Sunday on his motorbike.
So when Red Bull's Australian driver, the "dark horse" for this year's championship according to his team principal Christian Horner, tells you he does not consider F1's emerging brat pack to be "real men" in the way that their predecessors were, it does not cause the same shockwaves as if, say, Jenson Button had said it.
"The cars are easier to drive," he explains. "You don't look at these guys and think 'they are real men'. They are talented, no question, but there is less in common.
"There is power steering now; a lot of things that make the cars easier to drive. That's why these youngsters can get away with it. I came through the categories with gear sticks and what have you. And that was beneficial for me. But there is no point whingeing about it. They come along and do a good job for the most part. Some don't.
"But every now and again – whether it's a Lewis [Hamilton] or a Seb [Vettel] – they can, with phenomenal grooming, come in and do a good job."
A lot of people would read those comments and think "arrogant" but that is not Webber's intention. He is just trying to give an honest appraisal of an issue that vexes him; that of youngsters turning up in Formula One unprepared for its demands.
In fact, in an effort to redress the balance, Webber has set up a team in the new GP3 feeder series this season with Horner, which he intends to use as a vehicle to prepare young talent properly.
"I want them to learn from what I learnt along the way," he says. "Teaching them that when they get that meeting with [McLaren team principal] Martin Whitmarsh, they haven't made it, because he has had every ------ in there.
"I won't hold their hand. For me, if someone is holding a silver spoon for you the whole way through, when you get to the top someone like Fernando [Alonso] will rip you to smithereens. You have to have been in the back alleys."
As someone who was managed by Flavio Briatore until the Italian's recent ban, a cynic might suggest Webber would be well schooled in the dark arts, but he defends his former manager.
"You know, we have some stale individuals in this paddock," he says. "Flavio was a character, flamboyant. You need those types in every sport. The Jose Mourinhos of this world."
In any case, Webber intends to bring all of his street-fighting expertise to bear this season. Written off as a talented, but ultimately doomed driver after stints at Minardi, Jaguar and Williams, he finally found himself in a winning car last year.
And despite driving the season with metal pins in his leg as a result of a horrific mountain-bike accident, he went a long way to proving his doubters wrong, picking up his first ever victory – at the 130th attempt – in Germany, before repeating the trick in Brazil. He ended the year in fourth place in the drivers' championship. It was a huge confidence boost.
Now he believes he can become the first Australian since Alan Jones in 1980 to lift the title, although not many would agree with him.
"It is all motivation for me," he shrugs. "I'll do my talking on the track." But before he goes he cannot resist having a typically forthright say on the comeback of Michael Schumacher. "I think it will be a bloody hard season for him," he says. "I think he'll go all right but I have never, ever seen a phenomenal comeback. When has the second career ever been better than the first?"
Once again the honesty hits you. Formula One will miss Webber when he has gone.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Mar 9 2010, 08:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But before he goes he cannot resist having a typically forthright say on the comeback of Michael Schumacher. "I think it will be a bloody hard season for him," he says. "I think he'll go all right but I have never, ever seen a phenomenal comeback. When has the second career ever been better than the first?"
Mick Doohan.
Mick Doohan.
hrt and virgin should pull out. how on earth can you expect an Indian to win a race or be in the top 23
he's an red dot indian. he's meant to suck at driving. its in there blood. I'm not racist. I have been raised in a country where there is more Indian drivers than any other nationality and they've pretty much sucked for the past 23 years. so yeah. its a fact.
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Wow! That was very possibly the most BORING race event I've ever witnessed.
OK, the first few laps were fun, and watching the flurry of pit stops play out kept me awake in the early stages. But after that... ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
OK, the first few laps were fun, and watching the flurry of pit stops play out kept me awake in the early stages. But after that... ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Mar 14 2010, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wow! That was very possibly the most BORING race event I've ever witnessed.
OK, the first few laps were fun, and watching the flurry of pit stops play out kept me awake in the early stages. But after that... ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
Yes,was a bit uneventful.I was looking forward to it but feel deflated now.
OK, the first few laps were fun, and watching the flurry of pit stops play out kept me awake in the early stages. But after that... ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
Yes,was a bit uneventful.I was looking forward to it but feel deflated now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Geonerd @ Mar 14 2010, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wow! That was very possibly the most BORING race event I've ever witnessed.
OK, the first few laps were fun, and watching the flurry of pit stops play out kept me awake in the early stages. But after that... ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
Yes, they have evolved from fast cars that can't pass each other to slow cars that can't pass each other.
OK, the first few laps were fun, and watching the flurry of pit stops play out kept me awake in the early stages. But after that... ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
Yes, they have evolved from fast cars that can't pass each other to slow cars that can't pass each other.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J708 @ Mar 14 2010, 03:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>or maybe guys bahrains track is a little boring it self
Well, sure. The typical Tilkedrome ........ is neither inspiring nor race friendly.
I also think that reducing the front end tire width was a big mistake. As with most aero enhanced racing, a car closely following another suffers loss of front-end downforce, leading to understeer in the corners. Altering EffWun's front:rear grip balance has only exacerbated this pre-existing problem; I saw a lot of people plowing potatoes when they got too close. As always, if you can't stay close in the corners, you'll never get close enough to pass on the straights.
The fact that Ferrari's cars apparently overheat when following another didn't help their racing efforts.
Well, sure. The typical Tilkedrome ........ is neither inspiring nor race friendly.
I also think that reducing the front end tire width was a big mistake. As with most aero enhanced racing, a car closely following another suffers loss of front-end downforce, leading to understeer in the corners. Altering EffWun's front:rear grip balance has only exacerbated this pre-existing problem; I saw a lot of people plowing potatoes when they got too close. As always, if you can't stay close in the corners, you'll never get close enough to pass on the straights.
The fact that Ferrari's cars apparently overheat when following another didn't help their racing efforts.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 3 2010, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So... USF1 are even more .... than i predicted and can't even build a car.
Money....money....money....can't get anyone to invest...much the same problem with getting American racers into the WSBK, no one wants to invest into racing I'm afraid. On that note, the Virgin cars I think were having hydralic issues, heard the commentators say that Branson hasn't invested enough money into that team, there's that money word again.
Money....money....money....can't get anyone to invest...much the same problem with getting American racers into the WSBK, no one wants to invest into racing I'm afraid. On that note, the Virgin cars I think were having hydralic issues, heard the commentators say that Branson hasn't invested enough money into that team, there's that money word again.
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Formula One supremo Bernie Ecclestone has called for patience in the wake of the negativity that has surrounded yesterday's boring start to the new season.
The Bahrain Grand Prix was expected to herald the beginning of a new era for the sport, with four world champions on the grid and the hope it would yield exciting racing.
Instead, the new regulations - with a ban on re-fuelling and with nearly all the teams able to limit themselves to one tyre change - are likely to have had the armchair fan turning off in droves.
Drivers and team chiefs were of the same mind after the race, that it was a bore and will continue to be so unless this latest crisis to rock the sport is rapidly addressed.
One possible quick fix is to introduce two mandatory pit stops, although F1's problems are more deep-rooted than that as the issue regarding a lack of overtaking has long been a thorny one.
The Bahrain Grand Prix was expected to herald the beginning of a new era for the sport, with four world champions on the grid and the hope it would yield exciting racing.
Instead, the new regulations - with a ban on re-fuelling and with nearly all the teams able to limit themselves to one tyre change - are likely to have had the armchair fan turning off in droves.
Drivers and team chiefs were of the same mind after the race, that it was a bore and will continue to be so unless this latest crisis to rock the sport is rapidly addressed.
One possible quick fix is to introduce two mandatory pit stops, although F1's problems are more deep-rooted than that as the issue regarding a lack of overtaking has long been a thorny one.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Mar 15 2010, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>one possible quick fix is to introduce two mandatory pit stops, although F1's problems are more deep-rooted than that as the issue regarding a lack of overtaking has long been a thorny one.
The problem for many years has been the aerodynamics which I had thought they were addressing under the new regulations; I think all other regulation changes are futile if the cars cannot pass on the track.Last year's cars looked better if anything from this point of view.
The problem for many years has been the aerodynamics which I had thought they were addressing under the new regulations; I think all other regulation changes are futile if the cars cannot pass on the track.Last year's cars looked better if anything from this point of view.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J708 @ Mar 14 2010, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>or maybe guys bahrains track is a little boring it self
That too of course!
I also think the race wasn't spectacular. Let's hope the rest of the season will be better.
Ferrari seems to be the strongest team so far, no wonder...they started developing their car halfway last season. If the other teams can't be more competitive, it will be a walk in the park for Scuderia!
Too bad Vettel had his issues, or else he could have won the race!
Nice to see Schumacher's name again, but too bad Mercedes wasn't stronger. Also, it will take MS some time to adjust again. I'm sure he'll do better.
Bring on Australia!!!
That too of course!
I also think the race wasn't spectacular. Let's hope the rest of the season will be better.
Ferrari seems to be the strongest team so far, no wonder...they started developing their car halfway last season. If the other teams can't be more competitive, it will be a walk in the park for Scuderia!
Too bad Vettel had his issues, or else he could have won the race!
Nice to see Schumacher's name again, but too bad Mercedes wasn't stronger. Also, it will take MS some time to adjust again. I'm sure he'll do better.
Bring on Australia!!!
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