Formula 1 2009
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I hope Bruno Senna and Takuma Sato find a ride for 2009.... would be great if Honda picked these 2 up.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Nov 13 2008, 08:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>as per phleg's request
Why can't we have a thread for each race or subjectjust like MGP or SBK? I know some of you guys do not care about F1...
Why can't we have a thread for each race or subjectjust like MGP or SBK? I know some of you guys do not care about F1...
i don't know, it has been like this since i can remember.
plus the fact that often times, there'll be little discussion over a race relative to how much discussion we get for bike races, hence, it's more organized and easier for F1 fans like me to have it in one thread so i can browse through previos posts and not have to scour through threads which might have been bumped down by the numerous bike-related threads
plus the fact that often times, there'll be little discussion over a race relative to how much discussion we get for bike races, hence, it's more organized and easier for F1 fans like me to have it in one thread so i can browse through previos posts and not have to scour through threads which might have been bumped down by the numerous bike-related threads
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Nov 14 2008, 01:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1/2 glock
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Very funny. But this is 2009 F1
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Very funny. But this is 2009 F1
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Nov 14 2008, 01:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>1/2 glock
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Very funny. But this is 2009 F1
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Very funny. But this is 2009 F1
What do people make of Bernie's proposed medal system to decide the championship? I can't think of many worse ideas!
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Nov 26 2008, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What do people make of Bernie's proposed medal system to decide the championship? I can't think of many worse ideas!
Bernie is defo senile. Is it because his wife's leaving or is she leaving because he's senile?
Actually I thought the racing / WC had improved over the last two years, but it was coming from a stunningly low start. And this would be a massive step backwards - scoring dumbed down so far a 3yr old could understand it will NOT add to the spectacle.
Being a numbers freak I had a mess around with the original 8-6-4-3-2-1 system and Bernie's puke-tastic latest offering (assuming G=3, S=2, B=1)
Using the original scoring system Massa would have won by one point at the final race, but Hamilton would have known that if Massa won he'd have needed 3rd. (as opposed to 5th)
With the medal idea Massa still would have won only by winning the last race, but Hamilton would have known he needed to beat him to win.
Agree that knowing what you need to do is not the same as achieving it, but it would have put a different spin on the tactics for the last race under each system.
The top 6 would have been Massa 24 (97) [71], Hamilton 22 (98) [70], Raikkonen 15 (75) [40], Kubica 12 (75) [44], Alonso 8 (61) [37], Heidfeld 6 (60) [36]. Numbers in ()= 2008 actual scores, in [] = original system.
Other than getting the obligatory red car to the top, (previous penalties etc having failed
) the most interesting is the difference between 3rd & 4th with each system.
Opinions?
Bernie is defo senile. Is it because his wife's leaving or is she leaving because he's senile?
Actually I thought the racing / WC had improved over the last two years, but it was coming from a stunningly low start. And this would be a massive step backwards - scoring dumbed down so far a 3yr old could understand it will NOT add to the spectacle.
Being a numbers freak I had a mess around with the original 8-6-4-3-2-1 system and Bernie's puke-tastic latest offering (assuming G=3, S=2, B=1)
Using the original scoring system Massa would have won by one point at the final race, but Hamilton would have known that if Massa won he'd have needed 3rd. (as opposed to 5th)
With the medal idea Massa still would have won only by winning the last race, but Hamilton would have known he needed to beat him to win.
Agree that knowing what you need to do is not the same as achieving it, but it would have put a different spin on the tactics for the last race under each system.
The top 6 would have been Massa 24 (97) [71], Hamilton 22 (98) [70], Raikkonen 15 (75) [40], Kubica 12 (75) [44], Alonso 8 (61) [37], Heidfeld 6 (60) [36]. Numbers in ()= 2008 actual scores, in [] = original system.
Other than getting the obligatory red car to the top, (previous penalties etc having failed
Opinions?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Nov 27 2008, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Bernie is defo senile. Is it because his wife's leaving or is she leaving because he's senile?
Actually I thought the racing / WC had improved over the last two years, but it was coming from a stunningly low start. And this would be a massive step backwards - scoring dumbed down so far a 3yr old could understand it will NOT add to the spectacle.
Being a numbers freak I had a mess around with the original 8-6-4-3-2-1 system and Bernie's puke-tastic latest offering (assuming G=3, S=2, B=1)
Using the original scoring system Massa would have won by one point at the final race, but Hamilton would have known that if Massa won he'd have needed 3rd. (as opposed to 5th)
With the medal idea Massa still would have won only by winning the last race, but Hamilton would have known he needed to beat him to win.
Agree that knowing what you need to do is not the same as achieving it, but it would have put a different spin on the tactics for the last race under each system.
The top 6 would have been Massa 24 (97) [71], Hamilton 22 (98) [70], Raikkonen 15 (75) [40], Kubica 12 (75) [44], Alonso 8 (61) [37], Heidfeld 6 (60) [36]. Numbers in ()= 2008 actual scores, in [] = original system.
Other than getting the obligatory red car to the top, (previous penalties etc having failed
) the most interesting is the difference between 3rd & 4th with each system.
Opinions?
There hasn't been a points system in F1 8-6 etc since 1961,
and in those days there were like 8 GPs per year so not really comparable. Later there where a 9-6-4-3-2-1 and in more modern times a 10-6-4-3-2-1 system.
Benies's medal idea has nothing to do with points whatsoever so I don't really understand where you get the idea G=3, S=2, B=1 from. The medal system is supposed to be based on "most gold medals wins it all", IE 6 gold and 12 crashes is better than 5 gold and 12 second places.
And as such it of course is plain idiocy.
Actually I thought the racing / WC had improved over the last two years, but it was coming from a stunningly low start. And this would be a massive step backwards - scoring dumbed down so far a 3yr old could understand it will NOT add to the spectacle.
Being a numbers freak I had a mess around with the original 8-6-4-3-2-1 system and Bernie's puke-tastic latest offering (assuming G=3, S=2, B=1)
Using the original scoring system Massa would have won by one point at the final race, but Hamilton would have known that if Massa won he'd have needed 3rd. (as opposed to 5th)
With the medal idea Massa still would have won only by winning the last race, but Hamilton would have known he needed to beat him to win.
Agree that knowing what you need to do is not the same as achieving it, but it would have put a different spin on the tactics for the last race under each system.
The top 6 would have been Massa 24 (97) [71], Hamilton 22 (98) [70], Raikkonen 15 (75) [40], Kubica 12 (75) [44], Alonso 8 (61) [37], Heidfeld 6 (60) [36]. Numbers in ()= 2008 actual scores, in [] = original system.
Other than getting the obligatory red car to the top, (previous penalties etc having failed
Opinions?
There hasn't been a points system in F1 8-6 etc since 1961,
and in those days there were like 8 GPs per year so not really comparable. Later there where a 9-6-4-3-2-1 and in more modern times a 10-6-4-3-2-1 system.
Benies's medal idea has nothing to do with points whatsoever so I don't really understand where you get the idea G=3, S=2, B=1 from. The medal system is supposed to be based on "most gold medals wins it all", IE 6 gold and 12 crashes is better than 5 gold and 12 second places.
And as such it of course is plain idiocy.
I think its a terrible idea to stop rewarding the lower teams and drivers for their achievement, if anything i think the points system should be more widespred so more people have something solid to fight for. I understand the need to encourage passing and risk taking but i think a more weighted points system would achieve that without significantly dumbing down the sport and removing allmost all reward for consistency.
has anyone else seen the F60?
she's a pretty, though i'm still not sure about that rear wing...
she's a pretty, though i'm still not sure about that rear wing...
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January 17, 2009
Ron Dennis hands over the controls at McLaren
Dennis will hand over the reins to Martin Whitmarsh from March 1
Ron Dennis chose his moment to go carefully: behind him yesterday, a car designed by computer to win yet another world championship and at his side the driver he created, Lewis Hamilton, who was transformed from go-karting novice to Formula One world champion.
Dennis refuses to accept that his decision to step down as McLaren team principal is the end of an era, but his announcement - casually dropped in at the end of the unveiling of the McLaren Mercedes MP4-24 car that will contest the 2009 championship - caused jaws to drop inside the glittering steel-and-glass room at the heart of McLaren's futuristic £250 million headquarters in Woking, Surrey.
Hamilton, the protégé Dennis groomed from the age of 13 to be world champion, had talked through his chances of winning a second consecutive title, while his mentor had discussed how McLaren now designed and tested 95 per cent of their 200mph speed machine using only technology, even before a wheel is turned for the first time this morning at a track in Portugal.
And then Dennis, the most high-profile team leader in Formula One, suddenly revealed that, from March 1, he will no longer be the voice and face of the McLaren Mercedes team. He is passing the mantle he has held for almost three decades to Martin Whitmarsh, his chief executive and right-hand man.
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Dennis admitted that he would have gone a year ago but for the debacle of the 2007 season when Hamilton lost the championship in his maiden season by a single point, added to which were the accusations of cheating for which McLaren were fined a record £50million by the FIA, the world governing body.
He could have walked away then and enjoyed a retirement away from the spotlight, spending some of his £200million fortune, flying in his Learjet and sailing on his new yacht.
But Dennis, 61, is the ultimate Formula One street fighter and turned McLaren into a war machine for the 2008 season.
Every waking minute was devoted to expunging the humiliations of the previous year. He succeeded - just - in the final few seconds of one of the most breathless championships in history in Brazil when Hamilton clinched the world title. That signalled the time to go.
“It is a comfortable time to do it,” Dennis said. “There were lots of reasons why it would have been an uncomfortable time a year ago. People would have thought I was doing it under duress, under personal pressure because we had narrowly lost a world championship. Now, people can understand there is no pressure, that I am doing this freely.”
Dennis will be in Australia in March for the first race of the season, but the ignition key to the McLaren race team will be held by Whitmarsh while Dennis attempts to stay in the background as the wise man, ready to be consulted, but not making decisions.
Instead, he will devote his time to the burgeoning McLaren business, which is much more than two racing cars on a grand-prix grid as a world leader in electronics, supplying race series around the world as well as to aviation companies. In the face of the economic downturn, Dennis is committing himself to the rest of the empire he has built from scratch over the past 28 years.
“Let's get it clear - I am not retiring,” he said. “I am going to work harder so that McLaren can power through this recession.” Just as Dennis powered McLaren to the top of Formula One.
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Ron Dennis hands over the controls at McLaren
Dennis will hand over the reins to Martin Whitmarsh from March 1
Ron Dennis chose his moment to go carefully: behind him yesterday, a car designed by computer to win yet another world championship and at his side the driver he created, Lewis Hamilton, who was transformed from go-karting novice to Formula One world champion.
Dennis refuses to accept that his decision to step down as McLaren team principal is the end of an era, but his announcement - casually dropped in at the end of the unveiling of the McLaren Mercedes MP4-24 car that will contest the 2009 championship - caused jaws to drop inside the glittering steel-and-glass room at the heart of McLaren's futuristic £250 million headquarters in Woking, Surrey.
Hamilton, the protégé Dennis groomed from the age of 13 to be world champion, had talked through his chances of winning a second consecutive title, while his mentor had discussed how McLaren now designed and tested 95 per cent of their 200mph speed machine using only technology, even before a wheel is turned for the first time this morning at a track in Portugal.
And then Dennis, the most high-profile team leader in Formula One, suddenly revealed that, from March 1, he will no longer be the voice and face of the McLaren Mercedes team. He is passing the mantle he has held for almost three decades to Martin Whitmarsh, his chief executive and right-hand man.
Related Links
Dennis admitted that he would have gone a year ago but for the debacle of the 2007 season when Hamilton lost the championship in his maiden season by a single point, added to which were the accusations of cheating for which McLaren were fined a record £50million by the FIA, the world governing body.
He could have walked away then and enjoyed a retirement away from the spotlight, spending some of his £200million fortune, flying in his Learjet and sailing on his new yacht.
But Dennis, 61, is the ultimate Formula One street fighter and turned McLaren into a war machine for the 2008 season.
Every waking minute was devoted to expunging the humiliations of the previous year. He succeeded - just - in the final few seconds of one of the most breathless championships in history in Brazil when Hamilton clinched the world title. That signalled the time to go.
“It is a comfortable time to do it,” Dennis said. “There were lots of reasons why it would have been an uncomfortable time a year ago. People would have thought I was doing it under duress, under personal pressure because we had narrowly lost a world championship. Now, people can understand there is no pressure, that I am doing this freely.”
Dennis will be in Australia in March for the first race of the season, but the ignition key to the McLaren race team will be held by Whitmarsh while Dennis attempts to stay in the background as the wise man, ready to be consulted, but not making decisions.
Instead, he will devote his time to the burgeoning McLaren business, which is much more than two racing cars on a grand-prix grid as a world leader in electronics, supplying race series around the world as well as to aviation companies. In the face of the economic downturn, Dennis is committing himself to the rest of the empire he has built from scratch over the past 28 years.
“Let's get it clear - I am not retiring,” he said. “I am going to work harder so that McLaren can power through this recession.” Just as Dennis powered McLaren to the top of Formula One.
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most hypocritical team boss ever, i'm glad because that piece of .... is finally out from the public scene although he'll still be involved in a team.
he patented bald faced lies and ........... about his "integrity" and "equality".
kovalainen fueled heavier than hamilton in 17 out of 18 races last season, what a wonderful equal policy that was. as was with alonso in 2007.
ruined montoya career, had a active mole in a ferrari, largest fine in sporting history is his personal property...
he patented bald faced lies and ........... about his "integrity" and "equality".
kovalainen fueled heavier than hamilton in 17 out of 18 races last season, what a wonderful equal policy that was. as was with alonso in 2007.
ruined montoya career, had a active mole in a ferrari, largest fine in sporting history is his personal property...
No Montoya ...... his own career up.
Hear a strong rumor he is taking over the Intelligence Division of Ferrari.
Hear a strong rumor he is taking over the Intelligence Division of Ferrari.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tamada6 @ Jan 17 2009, 03:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>kovalainen fueled heavier than hamilton in 17 out of 18 races last season, what a wonderful equal policy that was. as was with alonso in 2007.
They can't fuel two cars on identical stratergies, its just not practical.
They can't fuel two cars on identical stratergies, its just not practical.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (somedamnwriter @ Jan 14 2009, 07:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>has anyone else seen the F60?
I think the clean lines are reffreshing, but the wings are a bit silly. Especially the front wing on the F60, it doesnt fit the car at all. Toyota and mclaren have both launched better looking cars, but until they get out of the studios and onto the track its hard to say for sure
I think the clean lines are reffreshing, but the wings are a bit silly. Especially the front wing on the F60, it doesnt fit the car at all. Toyota and mclaren have both launched better looking cars, but until they get out of the studios and onto the track its hard to say for sure