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this team will prob get more coverage and stories than the Factory motogp teams.


 


Vale can say his poor results are because he's trying to race, run a team, promote the Farce / Sport


 


the Sky thing i think Sky Italy have taken the motogp coverage in 2014 ££$$€€


Sky Germany are waiting in the Wing to grab Sport1 Coverage in 2015 ££$$€€


 


that will then about see all Europe's coverage locked behind the pay wall


WWE
 
Can't believe Vale is supporting one of his fellow countrymen!  What ........, especially when there are so many candidates from Nepal that are prime for the spot.  Would make Moto 3 a proper world championship, and not the Spanish/Italian championship.  What a farce....... :1:
 
ATM, you can call it a Spanish championship. 


Rossi's initiative is an attempt to revamp the Italian side.


It's not the fault of the Spaniards!


Other countries need to step up their action, that's all (assuming they care for motorcycle GP -- USA anybody?). Excellence in any sport doesn't grow on trees: now Spain excels because they worked hard and well at the grass root level for the last 10 years and more. 


Let others do the same and we'll see.
 
J4rn0
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ATM, you can call it a Spanish championship. 


Rossi's initiative is an attempt to revamp the Italian side.


It's not the fault of the Spaniards!


Other countries need to step up their action, that's all (assuming they care for motorcycle GP -- USA anybody?). Excellence in any sport doesn't grow on trees: now Spain excels because they worked hard and well at the grass root level for the last 10 years and more. 


Let others do the same and we'll see.
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Couldn't agree more jarno, been saying it myself, but its all a fix you know.
 
You guys crack me up.  Baturro, ok, your emoticon seems to saying you're partially being witty, kinda like the "just sayin" "lol" modern designation for saying what you want while being clever and lighthearted...ish. Okay...but the rest, I don't think they're being clever at all buddy.


 


I realize most of you cannot distinguish or comprehend the assertions I've made regarding the League's machinates, and frankly in the face of so much overt evidence when it has happened (of which we have been able to detect) it is boggling that so many of you are unaware it happens. This example of VR supporting Fenati does not qualify, and frankly you guys not being able to distinguish further supports my view that many of you don't have the capacity to understand the nuanced but decided influence by those leaders in a position to affect their business in particular ways, in this case it being a sporting league.  VR supporting a fellow countryman is not at all a problem, but rather when the League"s influence decidedly favors the Spanish (as it has done) for being Spanish (or its particular interest in king building) IS the problem, as it did when it bailed out Rossi from Ducati. I bet some of you would argue, yeah but VR is not Spanish, which of course says more about your ability to understand my assertion to begin with. There are many ways to influence king making, and you won't read it in a press release.  I've marveled at how seemingly literate most of you appear; yet being naive to the normal machinates of big business is quite mind boggling for me.  But I've resigned myself in accepting many of you simply are incapable of understanding the reality of the world you live in.  You guys are the type of people who accept political messages designed to influence you absolutely not realizing the influence on you.  (Baturro, of those above, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you were partially being wittingly facetious for affect.  I get that, but I seriously doubt the other guys were being as clever).

 

J4rno and Baturro, plenty of "American" money exists in GP, you see that Monster Energy logo everywhere?  That is California loot, so Americans are injecting plenty of money.  There is nothing wrong with that, this is normal.  VR supporting Fenati is like Antonio Banderas when he supported Noyes, that is it was done for personal interest in the rider.  Dorna however operate and influence the movement of particular riders in a much broader sense and much more nuanced.  Nuanced, at least some of the times, as clearly its fascination with say VR has been overt (though in a way a slight cover up attempted).  Now for example, you guys above are aware of the bail-out from Ducati to Yamaha of VR, this being done decidedly by the League (the League being synonymous with Carmelo/Dorna).  The only one above being perhaps J4rno who does not accept this as an internal League machinate.  The sudden changing of rules for example is another very obvious machinate.  This is one example of many among other examples, some of you cherry-picking which you believe and which you don't.  The fascinating situation that has evolved for me watching you guys grapple with such inconsistency, has been reading your rationalizations in some cases accepting the League's machinates and direct influence in some cases while believing the entity has full integrity when it suits you. 

 

The Deal, I see you are still indirectly taking little quips, no need to directly debate this as you can see I have not actually replied to you above...
 
The best part of this news is that fenati will finally get a ride that I think he deserves.  I could like like an idiot if he sucks next year tho....
 
Jumkie
3616881380041918

You guys crack me up.  Baturro, ok, your emoticon seems to saying you're partially being witty, kinda like the "just sayin" "lol" modern designation for saying what you want while being clever and lighthearted...ish. Okay...but the rest, I don't think they're being clever at all buddy.


 


I realize most of you cannot distinguish or comprehend the assertions I've made regarding the League's machinates, and frankly in the face of so much overt evidence when it has happened (of which we have been able to detect) it is boggling that so many of you are unaware it happens. This example of VR supporting Fenati does not qualify, and frankly you guys not being able to distinguish further supports my view that many of you don't have the capacity to understand the nuanced but decided influence by those leaders in a position to affect their business in particular ways, in this case it being a sporting league.  VR supporting a fellow countryman is not at all a problem, but rather when the League"s influence decidedly favors the Spanish (as it has done) for being Spanish (or its particular interest in king building) IS the problem, as it did when it bailed out Rossi from Ducati. I bet some of you would argue, yeah but VR is not Spanish, which of course says more about your ability to understand my assertion to begin with. There are many ways to influence king making, and you won't read it in a press release.  I've marveled at how seemingly literate most of you appear; yet being naive to the normal machinates of big business is quite mind boggling for me.  But I've resigned myself in accepting many of you simply are incapable of understanding the reality of the world you live in.  You guys are the type of people who accept political messages designed to influence you absolutely not realizing the influence on you.  (Baturro, of those above, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you were partially being wittingly facetious for affect.  I get that, but I seriously doubt the other guys were being as clever).

 

J4rno and Baturro, plenty of "American" money exists in GP, you see that Monster Energy logo everywhere?  That is California loot, so Americans are injecting plenty of money.  There is nothing wrong with that, this is normal.  VR supporting Fenati is like Antonio Banderas when he supported Noyes, that is it was done for personal interest in the rider.  Dorna however operate and influence the movement of particular riders in a much broader sense and much more nuanced.  Nuanced, at least some of the times, as clearly its fascination with say VR has been overt (though in a way a slight cover up attempted).  Now for example, you guys above are aware of the bail-out from Ducati to Yamaha of VR, this being done decidedly by the League (the League being synonymous with Carmelo/Dorna).  The only one above being perhaps J4rno who does not accept this as an internal League machinate.  The sudden changing of rules for example is another very obvious machinate.  This is one example of many among other examples, some of you cherry-picking which you believe and which you don't.  The fascinating situation that has evolved for me watching you guys grapple with such inconsistency, has been reading your rationalizations in some cases accepting the League's machinates and direct influence in some cases while believing the entity has full integrity when it suits you. 

 

The Deal, I see you are still indirectly taking little quips, no need to directly debate this as you can see I have not actually replied to you above...
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So once again you resort to personal insults about our ability to see things your way, Jum as I stated before I own some forums, one is one of the most popular conspiracy forums on the planet, telling me I lack the ability to see a conspiracy is just plane stupid, what gets me is having your theory rammed down my throat on every page on this forum, and when I have a quip I get insulted, but you carry on and brow beat us all, you used to make some really good posts about racing.
 
thedeal
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Couldn't agree more jarno, been saying it myself, but its all a fix you know.
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What exactly would you expect when you make such a comment above?  If you're not prepared to handle the opposite argument then why throw your hat in the ring?

 
thedeal
3616911380046728

So once again you resort to personal insults about our ability to see things your way, Jum as I stated before I own some forums, one is one of the most popular conspiracy forums on the planet, telling me I lack the ability to see a conspiracy is just plane stupid, what gets me is having your theory rammed down my throat on every page on this forum, and when I have a quip I get insulted, but you carry on and brow beat us all, you used to make some really good posts about racing.
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Every page that you throw in a quip is fair game.  Again, your objection here is rich and further disconnected from reality.  I don't normally contribute to Moto3 threads because they have become defacto extensions of the CEV.  But I do read them from time to time, and look here, I didn't start this thread and I didn't participate as YOU have in the circle jerk of your naive "theory" that GP is all about integrity mocking my assertions to the contrary that its "fixed".  YOU did that on your own, and I'm responding to it.  What about this dynamic don't you understand?!   Your objection rings hollow when you yourself are willing to jump in with your own quip, then getting flustered because I had the audacity to respond.  For a guy who owns forums, you sure don't understand how they work much.   

 

For the record, I also think you are/were a sober poster.  But your unwillingness to debate this directly while taking round about pot shots, then crying foul when I call you on it doesn't quite jive.  Its obvious you have chosen to side (as most have) that Dorna have not used their influence to advance Spanish riders.  Thats fine, but when you throw in a quip here and there, expect one in return. (Funny but your quip above was exactly this, you were expressing your disagreement with my assertion. Yet it was ok for you to clog the threads, but you take issue with me responding to it. Lovely.)  That is how forums work buddy.  
 
Just pulling your chain a bit Jum.  


 


I am in no position to prove or disprove any possible conspiracies, nor am I inclined to try to to make a mountain out of a mole hill.  I honestly don't care where the current crop of riders is from.  I rather they be from somewhere I can relate too, but personally to me it makes no difference.  If I was looking for, or imagining conspiracies, for me it would loose the entertainment value of the sport and would loose interest in it.   Seems like for you Jum, it is part of the sport.  


 


If Spanish Dorna is in a position to use their influence to curb the direction of the sport, they didn't get in that position over night.  Since Pedrosa was a wee lad, he and others of his age were being groomed for the eventuality of GP.  As you know, the number sequence used by Elias, Spanish guy can't remember the name, Pedrosa and Stoner were all tutored by Puig.  Since then, there have been numerous riders groomed in the same way.  Bautista, Lorenzo, Barbera, Marquez have all had similar upbringings.  There has been no other country that has put the effort into their future crop of GP hopefuls as Spain.  Italy completely forgot about lower class racing, and did nothing about it till Fenati with FIM putting his first teams together in Moto 3.  Step in the right direction, but there is a lot more needed from Italy's part.  Same goes for the once 2 wheel motorsport powerhouse, GB.  Sorry Jum,  it takes ambition for dominance from Spain to get to where Spain has gotten in GP racing, but it also takes a lack of motivation on a lot of other countries part.  


 


Since you mention Kenny Noyes and Banderas...  Kenny is viewed in many Spaniards eyes as an adoptive son.  Dennis as an adoptive father.  If I am not mistaken, Kenny was born in Spain, and Dennis has spent a lot of his life there.  Kenny, like me, is a Spaniard with a funny name.  Now, Banderas is married to Melanie Griffith, so his connection to an American/Iberian halfie is even easier.  Banderas didn't pick out Kenny as a possible up and comer with promise, more as a possibility to fund a similar person to what the Banderas household is.  


 


Monster-  Good on them.  Their money is liked.  Send them a letter and a video tape of Bennito and maybe you can be the matchmaker.  As you know, in the conspiracy world of moto racing, Money talks.  Monster and GP would be more visible to it's biggest consumer, USA, if Monster sponsored an Americano.  For whatever reason, Monster does not do this.  My take is that Monster does not believe that there is an Americano good enough to carry their flag at GP level.  


 


 


There, chew on that a bit.  Hope Cali is treating you good.  Minn is turing into autumn all of a sudden, kind of wish I was in the Spanish summer right now...  I miss Motorland weekend.... 
 
Baturro, its honestly refreshing to read your posts on this subject. You make great points man. I was serious when I said you should become a PR dude. You make the discussion sound genuine once we get past the quips (which I swear to you I appreciate and admire just as much, as I'm half about the banter). I'll add more later. Sorry to bang on various threads, but in my defense, I didn't start this one. (hahaha, that was for Deal. We are working though our issues.)
 
thedeal said:
To be honest Jum you win, I cant be bothered any more, good luck to you all.
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What did I win?

Not sure what u mean with this post, I hope it doesn't mean doing something as rash as leaving, that would be a shame. Lets recap thiz thread, shall we: J4rno starts, a few comments later u quip, "its all fixed u know" which lets not pretend wasn't a quip at me basically sayin 'im full of ....' on the topic. U get upset that I would respond to such a quip? How did I become the ....... on this one? Have u ever heard the saying: dont start .... there wont be .....

Look Deal, come on man. Lets work this thing out amicably.
 
Is his half-bro even a good rider?  You guys better be ready to be blinded by florescent yellow bikes.
 
baturro
3616961380051368

Just pulling your chain a bit Jum.  


 


I am in no position to prove or disprove any possible conspiracies, nor am I inclined to try to to make a mountain out of a mole hill.  I honestly don't care where the current crop of riders is from.  I rather they be from somewhere I can relate too, but personally to me it makes no difference.  If I was looking for, or imagining conspiracies, for me it would loose the entertainment value of the sport and would loose interest in it.   Seems like for you Jum, it is part of the sport.  


 


If Spanish Dorna is in a position to use their influence to curb the direction of the sport, they didn't get in that position over night.  Since Pedrosa was a wee lad, he and others of his age were being groomed for the eventuality of GP.  As you know, the number sequence used by Elias, Spanish guy can't remember the name, Pedrosa and Stoner were all tutored by Puig.  Since then, there have been numerous riders groomed in the same way.  Bautista, Lorenzo, Barbera, Marquez have all had similar upbringings.  There has been no other country that has put the effort into their future crop of GP hopefuls as Spain.  Italy completely forgot about lower class racing, and did nothing about it till Fenati with FIM putting his first teams together in Moto 3.  Step in the right direction, but there is a lot more needed from Italy's part.  Same goes for the once 2 wheel motorsport powerhouse, GB.  Sorry Jum,  it takes ambition for dominance from Spain to get to where Spain has gotten in GP racing, but it also takes a lack of motivation on a lot of other countries part.  


 


Since you mention Kenny Noyes and Banderas...  Kenny is viewed in many Spaniards eyes as an adoptive son.  Dennis as an adoptive father.  If I am not mistaken, Kenny was born in Spain, and Dennis has spent a lot of his life there.  Kenny, like me, is a Spaniard with a funny name.  Now, Banderas is married to Melanie Griffith, so his connection to an American/Iberian halfie is even easier.  Banderas didn't pick out Kenny as a possible up and comer with promise, more as a possibility to fund a similar person to what the Banderas household is.  


 


Monster-  Good on them.  Their money is liked.  Send them a letter and a video tape of Bennito and maybe you can be the matchmaker.  As you know, in the conspiracy world of moto racing, Money talks.  Monster and GP would be more visible to it's biggest consumer, USA, if Monster sponsored an Americano.  For whatever reason, Monster does not do this.  My take is that Monster does not believe that there is an Americano good enough to carry their flag at GP level.  


 


 


There, chew on that a bit.  Hope Cali is treating you good.  Minn is turing into autumn all of a sudden, kind of wish I was in the Spanish summer right now...  I miss Motorland weekend.... 
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Americanos will never do well in Moto2/3/GP until they stop using the RBR as a playground/CV builder before slinking off back home to the cushy money that their domestic series offers.
 
Dr No
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Americanos will never do well in Moto2/3/GP until they stop using the RBR as a playground/CV builder before slinking off back home to the cushy money that their domestic series offers.
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How do we know moto3 and moto 2 and hence the CEV series are the best way to develop premier class riders?  At the moment they are de facto almost exclusively the path to the motogp premier class, and are perhaps now heading towards being de jure in that regard, but the evidence that they are the best way to develop premier class riders is almost entirely confined to the performance of a single rider, one Marc Marquez, who it is vaguely possible may be successful for reasons other than a grounding in moto2, although knowing the tracks doubtless helped even if he is a unique genius; he started on 2 stroke 125 bikes however, and has never ridden a moto3 bike in anger as far as I am aware.


 


I am all for a sporting body such as the FIM being in charge of the sport worldwide and organising things so the national series and GP bike racing are compatible; I lack faith that FIM are much in control of the sport at all though. At the moment, moto2 and moto3 are basically spec series invented almost overnight, pretty much it seems by one guy, good old Carmelo, an accountant/merchant banker fronting for venture capitalists. Those series are feeding something about as far divorced from a spec series as it is possible to be, with the only bikes capable of winning  the most highly technological prototypes ever seen in conventional bike racing, conforming to a formula devised by one or two guys at Honda and Yamaha. 


 


I can't say I entirely blame the national series outside Spain for not immediately abandoning their time honoured local competitions when Carmelo might change his mind about moto2 and Moto3,  Bridgepoint might sell out, or the MSMA might abandon the sport entirely at any given moment.


   


I am warming to the idea of a WSBK series based on the BSB rules as a sustainable international formula. If such a series is Dorna's intention it may be quite a good thing; my doubts about them owning both major international series persist however along with Jumkie's.
 
IIRC the FIM saw what was happening in F1 and thought 'we could sell all our premier racing series for millions and get a spectacle as big as F1'


 


 


The problem being, they gave away the right of control for SBK and GP instead of tightly holding the reins and just letting Dorna manage the TV rights.


 


No doubt all those millions helped grass roots motorcycling, but not as much as it helped FIM wage packets.
 

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