Joined Aug 2007
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Pomona NY
Joined Aug 2007
11K Posts | 3K+
Pomona NY
Anyone see Spies' complaint on twitter? He came to gp in 2010 and there was no factory spot open, yet he complains that the spanish get better treatment. That may be true to a certain degree, but the rule would not have affected him at all so whats the point.
Anyway, glad to see this rule come to an end, seemed just a bit ridiculous. It has come to a point where some people would get screwed out of a ride just bc it is in place.
Anyway, glad to see this rule come to an end, seemed just a bit ridiculous. It has come to a point where some people would get screwed out of a ride just bc it is in place.
IMO the rule was crap to begin with. However, saying that, I don't see where any rookie over the last three years was really affected by it...all the factory seats were locked up and none of the guys coming through were ever going to get factory seats anyway. So no harm no foul.
But it is oddly suspicious that Stoner's seat comes up with Marquez in the wings...so they decide to get rid of the rule? Doesn't really matter if it is truly malicious or not...at this point appearances are what they are and Dorna is going to have to live with it.
But it is oddly suspicious that Stoner's seat comes up with Marquez in the wings...so they decide to get rid of the rule? Doesn't really matter if it is truly malicious or not...at this point appearances are what they are and Dorna is going to have to live with it.
Joined Jul 2006
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Texas
Anyone see Spies' complaint on twitter? He came to gp in 2010 and there was no factory spot open, yet he complains that the spanish get better treatment. That may be true to a certain degree I, but the rule would not have affected him at all so whats the point.
Anyway, glad to see this rule come to an end, seemed just a bit ridiculous. It has come to a point where some people would get screwed out of a ride just bc it is in place.
Wtf why was my tweet left out of there?
@BenSpies11 @texastornado5 .... THOSE MIDGETS. Time to putm in the kitty litter Texas style boys -- Alex Talip (@xxcurvexx)
Joined Sep 2007
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Actually the Rookie rule came in 2010, so didn't affect Toseland who arrived in 2008 and was replaced by Spies in 2010.
Seeing as it sounds like the "rule" that never came into force is also being sidelined (ie that the manufacturers could only run 2 factory bikes from 2013) then I guess that the silly season becomes even more complex and that stating that Rossi won't get a factory ride is just speculation at this point.
I hope he stays with Ducati (which it now sounds like he only will if they manage to produce a more competitive package), but then again I hoped he wouldn't go there in the first place, so what do I know.
At the end of the day with this rule "change" he could get an equivalent deal to the one he had in 2000 with Nastro Azzurro, ie a separate team with a factory bike fielded by either Honda or Yamaha. Or he could end up back with Lorenzo. It is the silly season and no-one knows until all seats are filled.
Yes, perhaps this was a stupid rule all along. However, the timing of scrapping this rule is a bright fluorescent light that flashes Spanish favouritism. I really don't understand this Caramello (I know I spelt his name wrong) character. Spain are already dominating. Lorenzo is kicking serious arse at the moment! He is young enough to continue winning for many years. Why are they so desperate to bring in their new boy so quickly? Do they want 3 Spanish flags being raised over the top of the podium every freaking race?! How will this sport be an international sport anymore? The 4 top bikes are 2 yams and 2 Hondas. Next year 3 Spanish riders will fill those 4 seats (with perhaps Cal getting the other factory ride) - not to mention Spanish riders heavily scattered throughout the rest of the field.
The guy lacks commonsense - or the round table where he sits does. It is an international sport with millions and millions of dollars of potential being turned into a local sport for the Spanish to Jerk-off to their hometown hero's every race. Is their patriotism really that important? Are they really that insecure that they will eventually have to field an entire grid of Spanish riders? Even the Spanish fans will tire of seeing their riders winning every race from not facing any international threats. This all seems to be a result of a serious lack of foresight or vision. Caramello and his cronies should be doing their utmost to secure riders from ALL over the globe to build the sport up into a powerhouse of international bike racing. Not turning it into a mockery...
When I see those 3 Spanish flags being raised, I stop watchin'.
The guy lacks commonsense - or the round table where he sits does. It is an international sport with millions and millions of dollars of potential being turned into a local sport for the Spanish to Jerk-off to their hometown hero's every race. Is their patriotism really that important? Are they really that insecure that they will eventually have to field an entire grid of Spanish riders? Even the Spanish fans will tire of seeing their riders winning every race from not facing any international threats. This all seems to be a result of a serious lack of foresight or vision. Caramello and his cronies should be doing their utmost to secure riders from ALL over the globe to build the sport up into a powerhouse of international bike racing. Not turning it into a mockery...
When I see those 3 Spanish flags being raised, I stop watchin'.
I honestly don't care where they call home. None of them are from my country.
I will watch it whatever their surname is or whatever national anthem is played.
But then I am a race fan, not something that is affected by petty jingoism.
I will watch it whatever their surname is or whatever national anthem is played.
But then I am a race fan, not something that is affected by petty jingoism.
Joined Feb 2008
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Outback Steakhouse
Wtf why was my tweet left out of there?
@BenSpies11 @texastornado5 .... THOSE MIDGETS. Time to putm in the kitty litter Texas style boys -- Alex Talip (@xxcurvexx)
Beginning to think you REALLY don't like midgets Curve my man
As somebody pointed out on another site. Exactly who's factory seat was Yamaha going to give Spies in 2010? Rossi, then current WC or Lorenzo's? He was going to tech3 no matter what, rule or no rule. The only person this affected was Marco.
Simoncelli is the only rider potentially affected by the rule, but I'm not totally convinced he necessarily was. I am not sure wether it was him or Aoyama who started the season higher in the HRC pecking order, Hiroshi was an existing Honda rider and reigning 250cc world champion afterall. If you are convinced Marco was already the favoured man, are you sure Doviziozos contract was up at that point? If it was, would repsol have necessarily prefered Marco over Dovi and Aoyama. I'm not convinced the rookie rule has ever done anything
Bravo, Zoot. You are a wonderful human being and a credit to humanity. If only the rest of us could be more like you. Let's get together and listen to John Lennon's "Imagine" and do trust falls together...
As a pure (and self-actualised) racing fan, do you think that you would like to watch the absolute best battle it out every race? As a nationalistic sheep, I might not know much, but my belief (as misguided as it may be) is that the best means from all over the world - not one tiny region. What say you, darling?
Mick xoxo
Joined Feb 2007
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Tennessee
Even though i prefer having riders from all over the world, it doesnt matter to me if they all grew up in the same town, village, whatever you want tro call them. As long as they deserve to be there, i couldnt care less where they are from.
It's understandable that there are such a large number of Spanish riders. Spain has the best feeder series in the CEV. From Stoner to Fenati have all competed in the CEV as well. International programs are racing in the CEV to be with the best competition, Spanish midgets.
That there are so many Spaniards in all GP classes only has to do with nationality in that one nation, Spain, has been heavily promoting this sport.
That there are so many Spaniards in all GP classes only has to do with nationality in that one nation, Spain, has been heavily promoting this sport.
Joined Jul 2006
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Texas
Yeah - lets get more of them Indian and Chinese riders... there's a huge talent pool to draw from!
How exactly was Simoncelli affected? Dovi still held a contract (one which even Stoners arrival could not budge) and Marco had a full factory package over at Grisini.
Regarding the scrapping of the rookie rule - I'll admit the back flipping is a little annoying, however, it probably is good for the championship from the point of view that with Stoner gone the 2013 season may just turn into the Jorge Lorenzo show so barring Rossi going to Honda Marc getting the ride is probably the best thing for keeping the GP competitive (if not for 2013, at least 2014).
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