Excited about CRT's

Renjith said:

Posting after a long time. Couldn't resist this



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See how things changed once Jumkie dared to criticize Stoner

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Yep things changed with Jumkie as soon as Stoner had a run in with Hayden. Prior to that Jumkie was a rational poster mostly and I mostly agreed with him. Since Stoners run in with Hayden jumkie has completely changed his tune, I have not. Now the people who once agreed with him do not and those he battled against think he is the new poster boy.



Currently Stoner is WC and considered by many of the actual riders to be the most talented rider out there. Hayden and Rossi are not classified in the same league currently so who is on the correct side of history?

Mental Anarchist said:

Yep things changed with Jumkie as soon as Stoner had a run in with Hayden.

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That was a rather dramatic change in Jumkie's allegiances



And apparently according to Jumkie we suddenly went from being the opposite of boppers to being ..... neo boppers



What I'm not sure of is:



was the sudden fall out with Stoner a product of Jumkie's new found excess drinking ...........



or was the drinking a product of that fall out??





Whatever the case Jumkie had one of histories most famous "about faces" after the "Hayden incident", and judging by his vexation with Pedrosa ........... you would have to say we were in for a lifetime of sooking from Jumkie .......



But Jumkie is exacting his revenge even as we speak, think yourself lucky ........ unlike me, you are not being manipulated via the internet into doing exactly what Jumkie wants me to do .........



Jumkie is a sociopath, and he can't see outside that. His whole existence is one of "please myself by seeking approval of the masses".

The question, over the matter of whether what is being debated is right or wrong, doesn't enter into it with Jum. .......... just so long as he gets the approval of the masses.



I still remember back to the old debate whereby Babel said "a gyro could be used to map the track", I opposed this view.

Jumkie actually joined Babel ( his once hated foe ) on this debate ....... simply because every bopper and his dog was opposing me ...... regardless of the actual issue at hand. And simply because I had upset him over some other matter.



Even today ...... are there, or have there ever been, any "gyros being used to map the track?" ........ NO!!





I would have to say, at least I managed to educate some over the matter. The extra silly thing is, they all now know I'm right, but because of their sociopath's need for approval, will publicly deny it.





Sadly, for Jumkie, the only "masses" that will approve of him lately, are the boppers.

Maybe they should have a seperate race for CRT.



Moto3 then Moto2 then Moto1(CRT) then the last race of the day MotoGP.



I won't be paying any attention to the Moto1(CRT) bikes while they are trailing around behind MotoGP bikes.





Moto1, can we call them that? It's what they are.

Mental Anarchist said:

Yep things changed with Jumkie as soon as Stoner had a run in with Hayden.

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Yes it is interesting that he changed his tune shortly after this incident....but I am sure this is purely coincidental as Jumkie is the most balanced, well informed and unbiased poster on the forum.....according to Jumkie anyway.



After this event suddenly many of us became "Neo-boppers" overnight even though he was previously saying exactly what we have been consistently stating all along...

Mental Anarchist said:

Prior to that Jumkie was a rational poster mostly and I mostly agreed with him. Since Stoners run in with Hayden jumkie has completely changed his tune, I have not. Now the people who once agreed with him do not and those he battled against think he is the new poster boy.

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It is hilarious to see him now aligning himself with the likes of Talpa isnt it.....and he has the temerity to call others out for being back pedalling, flip floppers....

GeePee said:

Maybe they should have a seperate race for CRT.



Moto3 then Moto2 then Moto1(CRT) then the last race of the day MotoGP.



I won't be paying any attention to the Moto1(CRT) bikes while they are trailing around behind MotoGP bikes.





Moto1, can we call them that? It's what they are.

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thatd be silly cause the whole point of CRTs is to have more bikes on the grid.. your idea would have 6 bikes on the grid

Mental Anarchist said:

Prior to that Jumkie was a rational poster mostly and I mostly agreed with him.

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Ahhh... so you've gone back and reviewed Jum's four years of posts prior to your arrival? He really missed his calling... Jum would've made captain Ahab proud!

GeePee said:

Maybe they should have a seperate race for CRT.



Moto3 then Moto2 then Moto1(CRT) then the last race of the day MotoGP.



I won't be paying any attention to the Moto1(CRT) bikes while they are trailing around behind MotoGP bikes.





Moto1, can we call them that? It's what they are.

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So you either don't know anything about the history of this sport or you are choosing to ignore it.



I'm curious, which is it?

What about a 3rd option?



I'm having trouble letting go of the past.

GeePee said:

Maybe they should have a seperate race for CRT.



Moto3 then Moto2 then Moto1(CRT) then the last race of the day MotoGP.



I won't be paying any attention to the Moto1(CRT) bikes while they are trailing around behind MotoGP bikes.





Moto1, can we call them that? It's what they are.

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GeePee has brought up a fair point.



But, I think you have to remember it is early days with CRT. The idea is to at least get more "feet in the door", more bikes on the grid.



It was so dauntingly expensive before that only negative growth could be predicted. Now at least they have the CRT's started and thats half the effort.



Lets see how they go for a few years first before we judge the outcome too much.



The only real problem I see is SAFETY. Lets hope it all works out safely.

BarryMachine said:

Lets see how they go for a few years first before we judge the outcome too much.



The only real problem I see is SAFETY. Lets hope it all works out safely.

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Good points Baz.....I agree that it is way too early to write them off just yet - even though I have been opposed to the idea of dumbing down the formula at least an effort is being made to make it cheaper to compete in this class. The grids were becoming increasingly anorexic. If they can at least be competitive with the sat bikes that should be deemed a success.



Safety is indeed a concern....even JLo has made mention of the speed differential having seen the CRT bikes up close for the first time at Sepang and he was initially all for it to begin with. Time will tell if this concept can work or not - I still have my doubts.

povol said:

This guy is predicting a tragedy



http://www.motorcycl...Ps-Titanic.aspx

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Scary ........





theoretically Stoner will catch some guys, and lap them twice, during a race.



And theres a few in the "some" brigade.

GeePee said:

What about a 3rd option?



I'm having trouble letting go of the past.

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By past I don't mean the last (give or take) decade, I'm talking about the 5 decades before that where , depending on the decade, some if not almost all the bikes had production parts or were just straight up based on production bikes.



The CRT's are just taking motogp back to it's roots.



CRT =





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Twice as much as my usual crap...

You could put most of the CRT riders on Stoners bike and they would still be seconds off the pace. I bet that DePuniet will not be lapped (unless due to incident) the whole season. Top class riders on CRT bikes tuned and managed by quality teams will be on the lead lap at the chequered flag I have no doubt.



What Dorna has to do for safety's sake is ban the "buy a ride" riders by having a minimum salary for riders or a special license that has to be earned thru results.

What would Lorenzo or Stoner do on a CRT would be the interesting fact for me.

povol said:

This guy is predicting a tragedy



http://www.motorcycl...Ps-Titanic.aspx

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This is the same guy who claimed he was reliably informed that Honda had a $450M budget and Yamaha had a $300M budget. IIRC, when Krop asked Jarvis about it, Jarvis nearly pissed his pants. Probably b/c the real numbers are about 10-15% of the numbers he quoted. The situation doesn't speak to his technical understanding, but it does indicate that he will accept any piece of data, no matter how ludicrous, to reinforce the appearance that CRT teams are hopelessly outgunned.



Furthermore, in his first article he said CRTs will never be competitive b/c they don't have proper electronics. Since then, it has become evident that Aprilia are using WSBK electronics (or a derivation), and BMW teams have a derivation of WSBK Bosch kit as well as Bosch technicians. In the latest article, he has decided that CRT bikes won't be able to brake properly. Under what pretense? He doesn't give a reason, he just says it's going to happen. Without a predictor, he might as well be consulting with his magic 8-ball. Will an accident happen in the braking zone? Ask again later.



Of the things I've read by this guy, his only redeeming quality is that he thinks Dorna kiss MSMA ..., and he believes CRT is part of the lie Dorna tells itself to get through the day. I can't necessarily argue, but I see business/marketability as CRTs problem, not necessarily the technical attributes.



BTW, you realize he said a spec ECU, steel brakes, and 21L fuel restrictions will save the sport? He wants to kill CRT in order to "dumb down" the entire show.

BarryMachine said:

I still remember back to the old debate whereby Babel said "a gyro could be used to map the track", I opposed this view.

Jumkie actually joined Babel ( his once hated foe ) on this debate ....... simply because every bopper and his dog was opposing me ...... regardless of the actual issue at hand.

Even today ...... are there, or have there ever been, any "gyros being used to map the track?" ........ NO!!

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A three axis gyro records pitch, yaw, and roll measurements, which create a unique profile for each corner. The ECU logs the sequence of unique corners. The ECU knows which corner you are going into by monitoring the corner you've just exited. Corner-specific settings can be created.



A gyro doesn't know your orientation on a compass or your coordinate location, nor can it accurately recreate a track map without dozens of other sensors. However, gyro can be used to create a corner sequence. That sequence is a rudimentary map.



GPS is only allowable in WSBK for the timing and scoring equipment. Don't know if that is the de fact reality, but SBKs might be using gyros and other sensors to program location specific settings. AMA has location-specific settings without GPS.