Espargaro inspired by Hayden speed

Thanks for posting that J4rno.





Ok jokes over, I'm beginning to believe that Ducati are spreading a lot of love around about all of their riders. Its just one big happy self admiring team isn't it

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pigeon @ Mar 5 2010, 06:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>agree just in case its goes .... up.then they can say the bikes ok.
it must be the best riders not performing.?/


Stoner must hate it - now it's looking like the bike's good and it's not all just his pin it & toe-brake magic

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ptk50 @ Mar 5 2010, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Stoner must hate it - now it's looking like the bike's good and it's not all just his pin it & toe-brake magic
i am glad to see you admit it was stoner's magic which was responsible for his previous success including his 2007 world championship. I also have a vague feeling thjat at present he may care more about being competitive with rossi than having a large margin over nicky.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 5 2010, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thanks for posting that J4rno.
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It was Pidg. Only the second time you've done that today

My thoughts are: Do the others not rate Nicky has finally understanding the RedBeast? Or atleast understanding the beast at this track? I think Nicky can hang with the Aliens if he has a bike to his liking and his mentals are where they need to be.

I for one am happy that Hayden is getting to grips with the Ducati. If he can run close to the Aliens week end week out. This year may not be the snooze fest that it has become at some races.

Think about it.. The Aliens joined by Dovi/Hayden/Edwards/Spies..
This year could be amazing..

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Duc999 @ Mar 7 2010, 12:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Think about it.. The Aliens joined by Dovi/Hayden/Edwards/Spies..
This year could be amazing..
I would love to this this too, as would any fan of the sport, but I don't think it will.

I'm not going to use the term aliens anymore - as someone else pointed out, it's getting too tiresome. But just to see Vale, Casey, Dani and Jorge battle it out week by week would be amazing. We were denied that last year due to a multitude of factors.

I honestly don't believe that this formula lends itself to such close racing and i think that it's an unrealistic expectation. In fact GP itself simply doesn't nurture four-way battles far less eight-way battles. The last great four-way dice I can recall was Sachsenring 2006, and of course Estoril in the same year was pretty damn spectacular. I have never seen VR, CS, DP, and JL all swapping paint throughout the same race from start to finish, or even for an extended period. The racing tends to be fractious throughout the field. Last year, we were however lined up for a very close title chase - until one by one Val's opposition was eliminated.

There are always riders who find something special during the weekend, and is able to exploit this come raceday. This comparative advantage is harnessed by the few, due to a combination of talent, and resources.

GP is all about consistency, and making it count. Exploiting the setbacks of others, and seizing opportunity - which is why contrary to the allegations of many, Nicky was such a worthy Champion in 2006. Jorge failed to do this last year.

Sepang testing is usually an aberration, so I don't expect Nicky to be regularly pushing for a podium any more than I expect the Suzuki's to be up there. Colin will be consistent as ever, but not consistently good enough to trouble the podium. Dovi will blow hot and cold, and Spies......I can't remember a higher expectation or greater anticipation towards a graduate into the big class since Rossi or Biaggi.

We will never see a race like World Supersport Assen 2008 reproduced in GP - it will always be too inequitable. But last weeks World Superbike races at Philip Island are exactly what Dorna needs to aspire to. That means cut out the micro-management, the pandering to the MSMA, an unequivocal return to 990cc managed by a standard ECU package.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Mar 7 2010, 01:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I would love to this this too, as would any fan of the sport, but I don't think it will.

great post. There is still a little glimpse of hope left in me. As someone pointed out, the teams all have great data now and the 800's have matured pretty far in developement. Maybe we will see some closer racing at a few more than 1 track this year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Mar 7 2010, 09:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Spies......I can't remember a higher expectation or greater anticipation towards a graduate into the big class since Rossi or Biaggi.
Probably Pedrosa was the last rookie with very high anticipations/expectations since Rossi.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Mar 7 2010, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>We will never see a race like World Supersport Assen 2008 reproduced in GP - it will always be too inequitable. But last weeks World Superbike races at Philip Island are exactly what Dorna needs to aspire to. That means cut out the micro-management, the pandering to the MSMA, an unequivocal return to 990cc managed by a standard ECU package.
As you are probably implying part of the inequity in motogp is in riding talent, and I doubt that wonderful race would have been so close if rossi had been on one of the contending bikes. I would agree that the current situation of the best few riders also having technical advantages in what appears to be as you say a "one-line" formula is perhaps not the best of all possible worlds though.

double

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Mar 7 2010, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Probably Pedrosa was the last rookie with very high anticipations/expectations since Rossi.
There were certainly very high expectations from HRC - many have maintained that Honda believed that he could secure the title in his inaugural year. There was a great deal of curiosity generally as to whether Dani could make the transition onto a 1litre Moto GP bike - likewise with Kato who got his first ride on the RCV211v at Brno 2002 if I remember correctly. I was certainly very keen to see Dani step up, and he adapted very quickly to the 990 as he always does. But I think there is more of a fascination with Spies. It seems everyone really wants to see him succeed.

I would agree with the fascination aspect - who expected such a stunning year in WSK? IMO he focussed from race one on beating Haga last year, knowing that over a whole season if he could do that he'd have the best chance to lift the crown.

It does seem that almost everyone is wanting Spies to do well. To some extent the same has been true of Lorenzo, especially after his moon-shot attempts and his humility in admitting that he had scared himself in '08. Having said that I think that the love seems greater for Spies so far.

TBH the 3 mercans are some of the best liked guys on the grid. Who wouldn't want to see any one of them get a win this year?

i just wanna see hayden stuff it up the inside and blow by pedro

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jazkat @ Mar 7 2010, 06:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>i just wanna see hayden stuff it up the inside and blow by pedro
That sentiment resounds around this entire forum, if not the entire motorcycling racing fraternity Jaz. (Well, with the obvious exception of Teo)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Mar 7 2010, 06:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'> That sentiment resounds around this entire forum, if not the entire motorcycling racing fraternity Jaz. (Well, with the obvious exception of Teo)


i know man...i think we will all relish that moment when it happens

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrabbiata1 @ Mar 7 2010, 01:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I honestly don't believe that this formula lends itself to such close racing and i think that it's an unrealistic expectation. In fact GP itself simply doesn't nurture four-way battles far less eight-way battles. The last great four-way dice I can recall was Sachsenring 2006, and of course Estoril in the same year was pretty damn spectacular.

I think MotoGP can sustain close battles at the front. Technically, the performance rules in WSBK are more strict than GP (if that's believable), but WSBK has close racing. GP has fuel rules, engine life rules, and now bore rules. Plus, everyone buys the same tires, brakes, suspension, chains, wheels, and electronics from the same suppliers. Imo, 800cc technology is becoming mature which means it can feature good racing. It's just that GP is perched on a financial ledge so they can't maintain the current formula.

As much as I hate to admit it, fuel rules probably created close racing in the 990 era. Previously, the MSMA were chasing max revs which created and F1-style sport that benefited high-budget manufacturers. The reduced fuel by 4L which decreased the importance of max revs. Bridgestone also got their act together so we got to see great racing for 2006.

If fuel rules can make things close in the 990 era, they can make things close in the 800cc era. Unfortunately, Honda and Yamaha showed up completely unprepared for 800cc competition. They were caught off guard by an incredible Ducati engine, a fantastic front Bridgestone, and a very good Magnetti Marelli engine management system. Dorna were completely caught off guard by the huge spike in budgets. Ultimately, Michelin payed the price for the GPC's lack of diligence. Michelin were dismissed by Dorna in the name of cost control and cornerspeed control (secretly). Don't care what anyone says, the tires were changed in 2008 as well. Kawasaki and Suzuki became deadwood overnight b/c they didn't have $50M lying around to keep up with the Ducati, Yamaha, Honda spending binge. Kawasaki withdrew acrimoniously.

Close racing is possible but not as long as these people are at the helm. They are just now learning the 4-stroke racing needs performance controls and cost controls. Aren't they supposed to be the pinnacle of 2-wheel motorsports entertainment?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yamaka46 @ Mar 8 2010, 01:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>It does seem that almost everyone is wanting Spies to do well. To some extent the same has been true of Lorenzo, especially after his moon-shot attempts and his humility in admitting that he had scared himself in '08. Having said that I think that the love seems greater for Spies so far.

TBH the 3 mercans are some of the best liked guys on the grid. Who wouldn't want to see any one of them get a win this year?

I think if you read Italian or Spanish media (which I don't) Spies would probably get far less mention then Simoncelli or Bautista when discussing rookies or talking up potential.

This forum has a large percentage of Americans and therefore a lot of love for American riders and bucket loads of talk on Spies potential. Nothing wrong with that but some perspective is good.

Personally and as an Aussie, Spies is going to spank all of the other rookies and I reckon will only be beaten in the championship race by one Italian and one Aussie.