Yeah but if you're Rossi's teammate you know you're not going to win the championship, and Rossi is 27 so he'll be around for quite a long time.
the bike is developed and riden by rossi[jb],that is why stoner will fail at Yamaha,when the rossi empire does eventually decide to wrap up,and if jb goes too,Yamaha will be left in the cold,and so will stoner,he will get a better bike next year with Honda,more trick bits,and from what we have seen of this season he will be up there with the best of em,but if he does have the potential,will Honda maybe not have him in the Repsol Team,so who stays and who goes,as said in big brother,the end of the season will decide,but over the years Honda[factory]have made some poor choice of riders[Biaggi],after Rossi,so nothing will suprise me ?
Some of us are old enough to remember what happenned to Yamaha after Rainey left (in sad circumstances).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Jun 15 2006, 11:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Whoa there boy, legends??
Who, exactly? Bayliss?
Toseland?
Haga?
You seem to forget that motogp is the pinnacle of the sport not the two wheeled equivalent of world touring cars that wsb represents.
WSB exists so manufacturers can sell more bikes but motogp exists to actually improve them.
WSB will always be a lesser series tham motogp.
Haga and Toesland aren`t legends, but to any decent SBK fan. (Not a MotoGPbopper who belives anything else is the pits) Bayliss and Edwards are legends of their sport (By their sport I mean SBK racing) and Nicky Hayden was shaping up to be another one until he was pushed into GP because of the money and the concencious that it`s better. Why? Because Rossi`s there? Because Superbike riders don`t do as well? Well you get the best soccer player in the world and put him on a Rugby feild with the best and I don`t imagine he`d be doing too well either. True, Superbikes is inferior to motoGP in terms of popularity and (average) rider skill, but it`s not it`s place to be inferior. It`s a completely different series. 125 and 250 are the ones that are supposed to be the "Inferior championships" to motoGP. Superbikes and motoGP can`t be compared like that.
I personally prefer superbikes, especially with the way GPs looks set to head. And there is more skill, money, technology and interest in motoGP, but there`s close, good racing in Superbikes and that`s good enough for me.
Who, exactly? Bayliss?
Toseland?
Haga?
You seem to forget that motogp is the pinnacle of the sport not the two wheeled equivalent of world touring cars that wsb represents.
WSB exists so manufacturers can sell more bikes but motogp exists to actually improve them.
WSB will always be a lesser series tham motogp.
Haga and Toesland aren`t legends, but to any decent SBK fan. (Not a MotoGPbopper who belives anything else is the pits) Bayliss and Edwards are legends of their sport (By their sport I mean SBK racing) and Nicky Hayden was shaping up to be another one until he was pushed into GP because of the money and the concencious that it`s better. Why? Because Rossi`s there? Because Superbike riders don`t do as well? Well you get the best soccer player in the world and put him on a Rugby feild with the best and I don`t imagine he`d be doing too well either. True, Superbikes is inferior to motoGP in terms of popularity and (average) rider skill, but it`s not it`s place to be inferior. It`s a completely different series. 125 and 250 are the ones that are supposed to be the "Inferior championships" to motoGP. Superbikes and motoGP can`t be compared like that.
I personally prefer superbikes, especially with the way GPs looks set to head. And there is more skill, money, technology and interest in motoGP, but there`s close, good racing in Superbikes and that`s good enough for me.
Hi! Im new here
I just wanted to say that just because you race in Superbike does'nt mean you cant be a legend. Over the past 5-6 years, Superbikes has provided the more entertaining racing IMO because sometimes is difficult to predict who'll win a race. In my eyes and in Ducati's eyes Troy baylistic is definatly a legend in the world of motorbikes, hes just provided too many entertaining moments over the years not to be considered a legend. I also dont believe that Moto GP is for more talented, better riders, its probably down to carrer path or who you know. People like Troy corser and Bayliss did'nt take the same career paths as Motogp riders. As you may or may not know is that Corser started in Enduro and Bayliss was a very very late comer. And if SBK is so inferior to motogp then why do rider who come down to sbk suck?
You might think Im nuts but Im not a believer in better bikes=better riders, IMO better bikes = more complicated and much more difficult to get used to if you've been riding a superbike your whole career.
Anywhoooo! My little rant over
I heard that Troy Bayliss was going to pack it in at the end of the season, he's 37 y'know! And I dont think that CE would come back and be as dominant as before. I think he had the fire ripped out of him because of the whole Aprilia experiance and Honda screwing him over and putting a damper on his progression.
I just wanted to say that just because you race in Superbike does'nt mean you cant be a legend. Over the past 5-6 years, Superbikes has provided the more entertaining racing IMO because sometimes is difficult to predict who'll win a race. In my eyes and in Ducati's eyes Troy baylistic is definatly a legend in the world of motorbikes, hes just provided too many entertaining moments over the years not to be considered a legend. I also dont believe that Moto GP is for more talented, better riders, its probably down to carrer path or who you know. People like Troy corser and Bayliss did'nt take the same career paths as Motogp riders. As you may or may not know is that Corser started in Enduro and Bayliss was a very very late comer. And if SBK is so inferior to motogp then why do rider who come down to sbk suck?
You might think Im nuts but Im not a believer in better bikes=better riders, IMO better bikes = more complicated and much more difficult to get used to if you've been riding a superbike your whole career.
Anywhoooo! My little rant over
I heard that Troy Bayliss was going to pack it in at the end of the season, he's 37 y'know! And I dont think that CE would come back and be as dominant as before. I think he had the fire ripped out of him because of the whole Aprilia experiance and Honda screwing him over and putting a damper on his progression.
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Welcome to the site. You and richo are pretty spot on about the whole thing, my view is it's apples and oranges. Sure, MotoGP has some more talented guys but they also have been riding these types of bikes since they were 15. Aside from Rossi, put any one of the 125/250 prodigies on a SBK and I think they would need some time to adapt. That's why SBK riders have so much trouble, they come up riding a different style. I'm not saying I like one better than the other, they each have their good points. I just like motorcycle racing, period.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rgvneil @ Jun 16 2006, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But you're on a motogp forum Richo not a sbk forum.
And it`s a great place, I ain`t complaining. I still love motoGP, it`s bike racing, it`s fast, it`s entertaining, it`s great. But the WSBK is full of Aussies, racing bikes I can actually aspire to own, racing them bloody closely and they`re all following my man Baylistic. Compare that to motoGP. Two aussies, one`s a .... and the other one`s on the slowest factory bike in the field. The bikes are awsome, I love learining the techinical side of things (Which is where MotoGP is better than SBK) but there`s no way I`ll ever get a ZX-RR in my garage. A ZX-10R is much more realistic. Or if I win the lottery, a 999R. Take it to PI and pretend to be Bayliss, only at least 1 minute slower per lap.
Don`t get me wrong, I love motoGP. It`s great racing and anything with 2 wheels beats F1. But SBK is just that little bit better in my opinion.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Electric Mofo @ Jun 17 2006, 04:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hi! Im new here
I just wanted to say that just because you race in Superbike does'nt mean you cant be a legend. Over the past 5-6 years, Superbikes has provided the more entertaining racing IMO because sometimes is difficult to predict who'll win a race. In my eyes and in Ducati's eyes Troy baylistic is definatly a legend in the world of motorbikes, hes just provided too many entertaining moments over the years not to be considered a legend. I also dont believe that Moto GP is for more talented, better riders, its probably down to carrer path or who you know. People like Troy corser and Bayliss did'nt take the same career paths as Motogp riders. As you may or may not know is that Corser started in Enduro and Bayliss was a very very late comer. And if SBK is so inferior to motogp then why do rider who come down to sbk suck?
You might think Im nuts but Im not a believer in better bikes=better riders, IMO better bikes = more complicated and much more difficult to get used to if you've been riding a superbike your whole career.
Anywhoooo! My little rant over
I heard that Troy Bayliss was going to pack it in at the end of the season, he's 37 y'know! And I dont think that CE would come back and be as dominant as before. I think he had the fire ripped out of him because of the whole Aprilia experiance and Honda screwing him over and putting a damper on his progression.
I get the feeling you and me are gonna get on very well.
And as for Bayliss retiring, I hope not
I want to see him smash Foggy`s records and win a SBK championship at 40.
Wishful thinking, I know. But there were people who belived Rossi could win F1 races too. I know which one`s more likely, even if Rossi did go to F1
And it`s a great place, I ain`t complaining. I still love motoGP, it`s bike racing, it`s fast, it`s entertaining, it`s great. But the WSBK is full of Aussies, racing bikes I can actually aspire to own, racing them bloody closely and they`re all following my man Baylistic. Compare that to motoGP. Two aussies, one`s a .... and the other one`s on the slowest factory bike in the field. The bikes are awsome, I love learining the techinical side of things (Which is where MotoGP is better than SBK) but there`s no way I`ll ever get a ZX-RR in my garage. A ZX-10R is much more realistic. Or if I win the lottery, a 999R. Take it to PI and pretend to be Bayliss, only at least 1 minute slower per lap.
Don`t get me wrong, I love motoGP. It`s great racing and anything with 2 wheels beats F1. But SBK is just that little bit better in my opinion.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Electric Mofo @ Jun 17 2006, 04:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Hi! Im new here
I just wanted to say that just because you race in Superbike does'nt mean you cant be a legend. Over the past 5-6 years, Superbikes has provided the more entertaining racing IMO because sometimes is difficult to predict who'll win a race. In my eyes and in Ducati's eyes Troy baylistic is definatly a legend in the world of motorbikes, hes just provided too many entertaining moments over the years not to be considered a legend. I also dont believe that Moto GP is for more talented, better riders, its probably down to carrer path or who you know. People like Troy corser and Bayliss did'nt take the same career paths as Motogp riders. As you may or may not know is that Corser started in Enduro and Bayliss was a very very late comer. And if SBK is so inferior to motogp then why do rider who come down to sbk suck?
You might think Im nuts but Im not a believer in better bikes=better riders, IMO better bikes = more complicated and much more difficult to get used to if you've been riding a superbike your whole career.
Anywhoooo! My little rant over
I heard that Troy Bayliss was going to pack it in at the end of the season, he's 37 y'know! And I dont think that CE would come back and be as dominant as before. I think he had the fire ripped out of him because of the whole Aprilia experiance and Honda screwing him over and putting a damper on his progression.
I get the feeling you and me are gonna get on very well.
And as for Bayliss retiring, I hope not
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jun 17 2006, 03:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>But SBK is just that little bit better in my opinion.
No swearing on the forum please
No swearing on the forum please
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BEN @ Jun 17 2006, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No swearing on the forum please
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BEN @ Jun 18 2006, 03:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No swearing on the forum please
Oh ....! Sorry Ben, I ....... forgot. What I meant to say is ...... MotoGP is bloody so much better shitbox other racing, those other ...... ..... don`t know what the ....`s going on.
Oh ....! Sorry Ben, I ....... forgot. What I meant to say is ...... MotoGP is bloody so much better shitbox other racing, those other ...... ..... don`t know what the ....`s going on.
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Edwards has failed to score points in only 5 GP's out of 50 starts and I believe today could be 28 in a row. Not sure that should put him in the "Great" crowd, but it sure puts him up there with some pretty special names in the sports history. The only active rider who has a streak like that is Rossi and they share a garage. I can't see Yamaha taking a chance on a kid right now when they have the champ and someone who just goes out and scores points for the team race after race.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alex @ Jun 14 2006, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wow, he is slightly lacking in the Yamaha team so maybe it'll do Yamaha good as Stoner looks strong (especially for his first year).
I must say that stoner isnt good enough to ride by valentino's side for yamaha i mean how many times is this guy going to fall off???
he gets good starts and can ride fast in a straight line but isnt up there with the big guys when it comes to taking a corner how much money is it going to cost his team to keep repairing his bike
this guy seriously needs to gain some cornering experience its like he doesnt seem to get the cornering limitations sorry guy but for me stoner is a flop
hope this doesnt annoy anyone but its what i think cheers.
I must say that stoner isnt good enough to ride by valentino's side for yamaha i mean how many times is this guy going to fall off???
he gets good starts and can ride fast in a straight line but isnt up there with the big guys when it comes to taking a corner how much money is it going to cost his team to keep repairing his bike
hope this doesnt annoy anyone but its what i think cheers.
have heard rumours about hayden being approached by yam as well...
also, watchin the interviews on gp.com, colin edwards looks shattered every time, my guess is that he feels less important coz rossi's bike is always that bit ahead of his own. Must be hard not being lead development rider or whatever u call it.. wouldnt be surprised if he went back to WSB
would also like to add that i do see the points about WSB being more close call riding, its more exciting to watch when ur actually there at the track def, altho, being a brit, i still think its a shame that Shakey returned to BSB, coz we are slightly lacking on the grid now, its not like ellison racks up the points, but found out he was a bricky only about few months before his debut.....
also, watchin the interviews on gp.com, colin edwards looks shattered every time, my guess is that he feels less important coz rossi's bike is always that bit ahead of his own. Must be hard not being lead development rider or whatever u call it.. wouldnt be surprised if he went back to WSB
would also like to add that i do see the points about WSB being more close call riding, its more exciting to watch when ur actually there at the track def, altho, being a brit, i still think its a shame that Shakey returned to BSB, coz we are slightly lacking on the grid now, its not like ellison racks up the points, but found out he was a bricky only about few months before his debut.....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Electric Mofo @ Jun 16 2006, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And if SBK is so inferior to motogp then why do rider who come down to sbk suck?
List of MotoGP champions that suck in WSBK:
BIG FAT VOID
List of WSBK champions that suck in MotoGP:
Hodgson
Bayliss
Edwards
...
It's quite obvious MotoGP riders are better, good WSBK riders end un in MotoGP, and MotoGP failures end up in WSBK.
It's true that adapting from a SBK to a MotoGP can be difficult but that's a valid excuse in your rookie season, after a that it's down to the talent.
List of MotoGP champions that suck in WSBK:
BIG FAT VOID
List of WSBK champions that suck in MotoGP:
Hodgson
Bayliss
Edwards
...
It's quite obvious MotoGP riders are better, good WSBK riders end un in MotoGP, and MotoGP failures end up in WSBK.
It's true that adapting from a SBK to a MotoGP can be difficult but that's a valid excuse in your rookie season, after a that it's down to the talent.
Yeah, but dosen`t mean ALL GP riders are talented. Sure, Rossi, Pedrosa, Capirossi, Melandri, they`re great. But what about guys like Hofmann, Moneybags and Ellison? The better riders are in the GP, but they ain`t all better.
By the way Teo, I`d like to see Pedrosa muscle a CBR around the track at speeds close to JT
By the way Teo, I`d like to see Pedrosa muscle a CBR around the track at speeds close to JT
Richo you know fu;; well that the reason those 3 riders aren't doing well is because they are on Dunlop tyres and they're still in development. Look at Checas results, this is a former GP winner and even he struggles on Dunlops. Your arguement naming those 3 riders is unfounded.
You know, I'd love to see Edwards remain in GPs and I hope Bayliss would come back especially as Ducati will be needing a couple of replacement riders for a few weeks.
You know, I'd love to see Edwards remain in GPs and I hope Bayliss would come back especially as Ducati will be needing a couple of replacement riders for a few weeks.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (teomolca @ Jun 18 2006, 09:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>List of MotoGP champions that suck in WSBK:
BIG FAT VOID
List of WSBK champions that suck in MotoGP:
Hodgson
Bayliss
Edwards
...
It's quite obvious MotoGP riders are better, good WSBK riders end un in MotoGP, and MotoGP failures end up in WSBK.
It's true that adapting from a SBK to a MotoGP can be difficult but that's a valid excuse in your rookie season, after a that it's down to the talent.
Im Sorry but Barros, Abe and a soon to be Max Biaggi (If he gets the ride instead of John Spies) Battaini have all sucked balls in WSBK.
Haga and Bayliss did better than any Rider that came from motogp to WSBK because results prove it. And adapting from SBK to motogp is harder than your making out. Its bloody hard enough for all the veterans that have to change their style because of the arrival of Pedrosa and Stoner, so whats it gonna be like for someone who's raced on a superbike for more than 10 years.
Oh and motogp bikes are easier to ride aswell with all its weird prototype mutant part thingy's.
BIG FAT VOID
List of WSBK champions that suck in MotoGP:
Hodgson
Bayliss
Edwards
...
It's quite obvious MotoGP riders are better, good WSBK riders end un in MotoGP, and MotoGP failures end up in WSBK.
It's true that adapting from a SBK to a MotoGP can be difficult but that's a valid excuse in your rookie season, after a that it's down to the talent.
Im Sorry but Barros, Abe and a soon to be Max Biaggi (If he gets the ride instead of John Spies) Battaini have all sucked balls in WSBK.
Haga and Bayliss did better than any Rider that came from motogp to WSBK because results prove it. And adapting from SBK to motogp is harder than your making out. Its bloody hard enough for all the veterans that have to change their style because of the arrival of Pedrosa and Stoner, so whats it gonna be like for someone who's raced on a superbike for more than 10 years.
Oh and motogp bikes are easier to ride aswell with all its weird prototype mutant part thingy's.
u make a mistake ona gp bike and that could be race over but to me u can make lots of mistakes and still win or podium..
