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Ducati Dropping Out of WSBK ?

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Unthinkable! -- Ducati Dropping Out of WSBK?

Submitted by Mike Walt on Fri, 2010-08-27 15:03. in With 13 rider's and 16 constructor's championships, the name Ducati is virtually synonymous with World Superbike. In good times and bad Ducati has exemplified the hoary racing aphorism "Win on Sunday, sell on Monday." Indeed, there were years that the Italian marque's presence was so pervasive in the series that wags called it the Ducati Cup.



A variety of sources are reporting that this active participation will come to an end at the finish of the 2010 season when the factory team will cease to compete in WSBK. A plethora of factors are said to have contributed to this decision, perhaps foremost the recent signing of Valentino Rossi to the MotoGP team and the attendant salary and developmental costs that will presumably entail. Ducati has alao apparently decided that, with the Doctor on board, their PR lira would make more of an impact being spent in GPs.



Another factor is that the 1198 platform, which then team manager Davide Tardozzi had said reached it's developmental apogee in 2009, is long in the tooth and will be replaced by a radical new platform that doesn't really resemble its 916/999/1098 forebearers much at all.



The last factor is the performance of this year's team. With both riders well down in the standings, Haga lying seventh and Fabrizio ninth, there have been whispers that long-time sponsors are questioning the economic efficacy of continuing to support the team.



The withdrawal by the factory team may not mark the death knell of Ducati's involment in the series however. There have been rumors that Althea Ducati would become the de facto factory team, much like Ten Kate's role with Honda. Ducati may also continue to supply other privateer teams although the extent of that committment is unclear at this writing.



A press release confirming the Team's withdrawal is expected at 3pm in Italy
 
Confirmed....
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Bombshell! Ducati Withdraw From World Superbikes From 2011

Submitted by David Emmett on Fri, 2010-08-27 15:04. in Ducati have announced that they are to withdraw from World Superbikes for the 2011 season as a factory team. More detail to follow, but here's the text of the press release:



DUCATI WILL FOCUS ITS TECHNICAL RESOURCES ON PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT AND WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE 2011 WORLD SUPERBIKE CHAMPIONSHIP WITH A FACTORY TEAM



Borgo Panigale (Bologna - Italy), 27 August 2010 - Ducati, having participated with a factory team in every edition of the World Superbike Championship since it began in 1988, winning 16 Manufacturers' world titles and 13 Riders' world titles along the way, has decided to limit its participation to the supply of machines and support to private teams.



"This decision is part of a specific strategy made by Ducati, the aim being to further increase technological content in production models that will arrive on the market in the coming years. In order to achieve this objective, the company's technical resources, until now engaged with the management of the factory Superbike team, will instead be dedicated to the development of the new generation of hypersport bikes, in both their homologated and Superbike race versions," declared Gabriele Del Torchio, President and CEO of Ducati. "I would like to thank Nori and Michel, and all of the riders that have contributed to the great history of Ducati in Superbike, but above all the Ducati employees; it is their hard work and professionalism that has allowed us to achieve such important results. A big thank you also to all of the partners that have supported us, first and foremost Xerox of course. I would also like to acknowledge the Flammini brothers who have managed the championship for so long, and the FIM, the organization with which we have continuous, constructive relations."



By making this important decision Ducati aims to increase the speed and efficiency with which it transfers advanced technological solutions, currently tested in the prototype championship, to the production series.



The task of testing innovative technical solutions in Superbike racing will therefore be entrusted to external teams in the coming years, teams that will have the chance to receive technical support from Ducati personnel. This choice will allow the teams to benefit from even more competitive machines and parts. Despite the decision to interrupt its official participation in the World Superbike Championship, Ducati will continue to work, in collaboration with the championship organizers, other manufacturers and the FIM, to define a technical regulation aimed at containing costs.



Strong in the sporting spirit that has always allowed this manufacturer to compete, line-up against its rivals, and win, it is fundamental for Ducati to identify, together with the other interested parties, solutions that can guarantee the future of the championship in the medium-long term.



Recently the Superbike World Championship, according to the current regulations, has been interpreted as moving more towards competition between prototypes rather than for bikes derived from production machines. This has led to an increase in costs, both for the manufacturers and the teams participating in the championship. This picture does not correlate with the current worldwide economic situation, which has made the securing of sponsorship even more difficult. Ducati trusts that the work carried out by all parties will lead to improvement also in this area.



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hmm Motogp Duc = Rossi will that get developed to its full potential ? no ££$$
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Damn! I did not see that coming at all. Guess Colin not's going to Ducati to race WSBK after all. Well Aprilla is there, so an Italian make is still kicking ... in WSBK.



Truely a shocker!
 
what if BMW Aprilia go to Motogp 2012 where would that leave WSBK ? Privateers Evo cup
 
Really hope some privateers will keep some V-twins on the grid. The combination of sounds from all the different engine configurations really brings extra character to WSBK. PLus the fact that i absolutely love the sound of V-twins.
 
I am very sad about this, WSBK without Xerox Ducati is not the same
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...however I am sure that they are away only partly, the Althea-team will get a full factory support.

Since my fav engines are the V2s, I hope they will not pull the plug on the V2-superbikes and start producing V4 sportbikes only, as it seems obvious with signing Rossi and standing behind MotoGP.

Btw I think WSBK was the main marketing source of Ducati so far, not MotoGP. Now they bought Rossi to win the championship and sell more bikes but what will happen if Rossi can not win on the Desmosedici next year and in 2012? If Lorenzo will still rule the series or maybe Stoner on the Honda? If Rossi will not be a contious winner again, the TV-viewers will drop as when he was injured. This will only work for them if Rossi starts winning again and the racing will be exciting, if any of this doesn't happen, they are fked.

Also I am sure they are pissed because of the success of Aprilia in WSBK and since they are nowhere this year but they can only blame themselves: if they got Checa a full factory support as soon as they saw that with Nori they go nowhere, they would be fighting for the championship still.

Oh yeah, in this case Edwards will not come to WSBK so doublefk!
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Dorna wins again ! The factory withdrawal of Ducati will be the start of a rolling snowball of manufactures heading to Moto GP ! Avalanche

Regarding Dorna vs WSBK: The first step was the Moto2, then the switch to 1000cc bikes. MotoGP is slowly killing WSBK. Period.
 
I like the v-twins as well, but Ducati have admitted to struggling to keep up with the I-4's for a number of years now. Even with 200cc more they say they can't keep up.



"Recently the Superbike World Championship, according to the current regulations, has been interpreted as moving more towards competition between prototypes rather than for bikes derived from production machines". Ducati complaining about Aprilia here perhaps. It's interesting that they feel WSBK has become more of a prototype class. Perhaps we will see more controls put on WSBK racing to rope in the costs? One thing I don't want to see is them cut testing time, shrink fuel loadout, etc etc. All the stuff that has crippled GP.



I still have a feeling that Edwards will be in WSBK next year. Unless he improves immensely during "hiring season". I think he needs to follow what he said himself and move to a place where he has a chance to win.
 
i never got why Duc didnt pull out the Desmosedici V-4 in WSBK..they did produce and sell it.
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I thought it had to do with the bore/stroke (the 1.5 ratio), the rev's were too high per the rules, never sold enough (would need 3000 units sold to run it in 2010) and the big one....Ducati never did the homologation to run this platform for WSBK, so they never wanted to run this over their 2 cylinder platform.



Plus....why would Ducati want to race a bike obviously built for the everyday commuter??
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If you've read any of my posts about the rev-limit, and Ducati's acrimonious switch to 1200cc, you could have seen this coming. If you've been keeping up with the WSBK/GP war on Krop's website, you could have guessed that manufacturer withdrawal from WSBK was the only tool the MSMA had to influence the SBK commission. Ducati's participation in GP and WSBK had always prevented the Japanese from pulling the plug in recent years, but the 1200cc debacle has caused a falling out with InFront. Furthermore, Julian Ryder rider claimed that the MSMA had struck a deal to give Ducati more tuning allowances, withdrawal of the factory team may have been one of the provisions of the deal.



Imo, Ducati never ran the Desmosedici b/c the sport is rev-limited. What good is a 990 GP engine, if it can only rev to 13,300rpm like the rest of the bikes that all go roughly the same speed? Also, the V-twin sound does not require a V-twin. If you mate two 500cc twins to one crank and you fire each bank in tandem (twin pulse) it sounds and goes exactly like a V-twin, but the shorter stroke and smaller valves mean that the engine can actually achieve WSBK levels of revs.



The "moving towards prototypes" line is not a shot at anyone in particular b/c Aprilia's valve system has been yanked. Ducati are referring to the escalating rev limit and the impossibility of continuing a twin in WSBK competition. The 1198 has a 106mm piston. That's the same size as a NASCAR piston, but Ducati spin the piston at higher rpm (~11,000rpm). Where are they supposed to go from here? Without another 300cc to reduce the revs, they could never continue raising bore and horsepower.



I'm shocked this announcement has happened so soon, but imo, it was inevitable b/c the MSMA cannot continue to fund WSBK while complaining that WSBK is ruining GP competition.
 
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Dorna wins again ! The factory withdrawal of Ducati will be the start of a rolling snowball of manufactures heading to Moto GP ! Avalanche

Regarding Dorna vs WSBK: The first step was the Moto2, then the switch to 1000cc bikes. MotoGP is slowly killing WSBK. Period.



I understand your point but on the other hand big names of MotoGP tries to reignite their career in WSBK nowadays. It seems this time Marco Melandri and maybe Colin Edwards, next year it will probably be Loris Capirossi. They do not want to race for 5-10th positions...they want to win again and in MotoGP it is impossible. Melandri's next year will be interesting: he may not be competitive (I think he will, he is still fast and the beemer is getting better and better) but if he tastes victory or what the heck, challenges the title in 2011, that could start another snowball-effect amongst the riders...especially if the racing will still be close and hard as recent years. MotoGP do not lose only Marco Melandri, it loses a lot of MM-fans who will turn on their TV for WSBK-races this time and if they happen to like what they see, WSBK will be stronger (same goes for Colin Edwards' fans if he goes there). All IMS would need for winning to convince a certain MotoGP-star, who may be disappointed after next year - and bored of MotoGP altogether - to join WSBK and taste hardcore fight again. It seemed impossible a couple years back but it was a "some day" only 2 months ago.



On the other hand MotoGP can not kill WSBK so easy because:

1.WSBK is a hell of a lot cheaper still

2.the superbikes are based on the manufacturer's roadbikes so there is a direct marketing connection while MotoGP can sell more bikes only with a big name as VR

3.WSBK provides a pretty good show with many manufacturers fighting for the title (Suzuki anyone?)



The major change WSBK needs is to get rid of traction control and all these electronics which eventually kill the show. WSBK is behind MotoGP with a couple years in terms of electronics that is why the racing is still exciting but they can see where it goes. If they get rid of these rider aids first somehow, it will reduce the costs a lot, will help the series' image and will increase WSBK's chances in this fight between the two series.

And yes, WSBK lost Ducati as a factory team for next year but MotoGP will probably lose Suzuki altogether for 2012. That will not help their case either.
 
More like "Japanese Privateers Evo Cup" or "inLine 4 Cup"



WSBK will still flourish without Ducati,you`ve only got to look at our own BSB series which is still the highest regarded national series in the world..........although the Spaniards can put on a good show.Anyway,I should think Ducati will reapppear with a new entry in good time.
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WSBK will still flourish without Ducati,you`ve only got to look at our own BSB series which is still the highest regarded national series in the world..........although the Spaniards can put on a good show.Anyway,I should think Ducati will reapppear with a new entry in good time.
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Flaminni says



“It must be mentioned that last year, without the presence of a phenomenal Ben Spies, the Ducati 1198 would have dominated the championship with Haga and Fabrizio, and it is therefore difficult for us today to comprehend this decision, which of course we must respect.”







The statement concludes that the regulators had a duty to maintain parity with the six remaining manufacturers, rather than just focus on a single one.



“Moreover the FIM Superbike World Championship can today boast the participation of six manufacturers in addition to Ducati, with Aprilia, BMW, Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki and Yamaha and is therefore obliged to maintain a total balance in the regulations, without privileging one or other manufacturer in particular.”



Someone had a watchfull eye on another Superbike series that priviliged one manufacturer, and it led to their virtual demise. Ducati has always wanted an advantage, not equality. Up until this point,they were given what they asked for. Now, with so many manufacturers taking part, they can tell Ducati no
 
Flaminni says



“It must be mentioned that last year, without the presence of a phenomenal Ben Spies, the Ducati 1198 would have dominated the championship with Haga and Fabrizio, and it is therefore difficult for us today to comprehend this decision, which of course we must respect.”







The statement concludes that the regulators had a duty to maintain parity with the six remaining manufacturers, rather than just focus on a single one.



“Moreover the FIM Superbike World Championship can today boast the participation of six manufacturers in addition to Ducati, with Aprilia, BMW, Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki and Yamaha and is therefore obliged to maintain a total balance in the regulations, without privileging one or other manufacturer in particular.”



Someone had a watchfull eye on another Superbike series that priviliged one manufacturer, and it led to their virtual demise. Ducati has always wanted an advantage, not equality. Up until this point,they were given what they asked for. Now, with so many manufacturers taking part, they can tell Ducati no



The 1000cc era was designed to accommodate all multi-cylinder engine layouts without displacement allowances.



Who changed the rules in 2004? Ducati?



This is Paolo Flammini's fault. Without the air restrictors imposed in 2003, the revs are too high and the power output is too great for a twin to compete. No one needs to tell Ducati "no"; however, Paolo does need to explain how he managed to run off the most important factory team in his series.
 
The 1000cc era was designed to accommodate all multi-cylinder engine layouts without displacement allowances.



Who changed the rules in 2004? Ducati?



This is Paolo Flammini's fault. Without the air restrictors imposed in 2003, the revs are too high and the power output is too great for a twin to compete. No one needs to tell Ducati "no"; however, Paolo does need to explain how he managed to run off the most important factory team in his series.

So your saying they should have limited the other manufacturers to 750 cc and allowed Ducati to continue to dominate. The most important factories are the ones who choose to compete, not the ones who demand performance advantages so they can carry on with antiquated technology that maximizes their profits. Its time for Ducati to ...., or get off the pot.
 
So your saying they should have limited the other manufacturers to 750 cc and allowed Ducati to continue to dominate. The most important factories are the ones who choose to compete, not the ones who demand performance advantages so they can carry on with antiquated technology that maximizes their profits. Its time for Ducati to ...., or get off the pot.



750s? In 2003?



In 2003, WSBK was an air restricted series with a max cylinder count like LMS. The rules were designed to accommodate all engine configurations, but the rules only lasted for 1 season. Now Ducati cannot race a twin. Like I said before, whose fault is that? Unless Ducati demanded that the Flamminis ditch the MSMA rulebook (possible I suppose), this is Paolo's problem. He needs to explain how he has managed to lose the most important factory team in his series.



He lost all of the Japanese factory teams. Now Ducati have left. The Flamminis have done a lot of good things, but the MotoGP-lite rulebook he wrote in 2004 has not really kept the interest of the most important manufacturers.
 
750s? In 2003?



In 2003, WSBK was an air restricted series with a max cylinder count like LMS. The rules were designed to accommodate all engine configurations, but the rules only lasted for 1 season. Now Ducati cannot race a twin. Like I said before, whose fault is that? Unless Ducati demanded that the Flamminis ditch the MSMA rulebook (possible I suppose), this is Paolo's problem. He needs to explain how he has managed to lose the most important factory team in his series.



He lost all of the Japanese factory teams. Now Ducati have left. The Flamminis have done a lot of good things, but the MotoGP-lite rulebook he wrote in 2004 has not really kept the interest of the most important manufacturers.

Ducati can race a twin, win races and championships with it. Like he said, just one year ago, a phenomonon known as Spies had one of, if not the best years ever, and it still came down to Haga not being able to mentally handle the challenge. Having Aprilia around soothes the burn of Ducati leaving. They will be missed, but are not irreplaceable, at least not to me.



And by the way, WSBK is still an air restricted series with a max cylinder count.
 

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