Ducati Dream Team

Segfault · Aug 31, 2024

I believe this will be a hot topic for some time, why not start a thread.

There is a super active Rossi working on it. I happened to see a Youtube headline with Rossi declaring Marc Marques' career is over! He apparently did not tell this to Dorna because I saw Marc still riding this morning in qualifying. Other Rossi statements are not better, reading between lines I'm getting impression Rossi wants to build some some sort of fortress around Bagnaia in Ducati garage, while creating a toxic environment for Marc same time.
To sum it up, Rossi is doing everything to convince Bagnaia there is something ominous coming his way. Several pundits have observed and noted, Bagnaia may look cool, but his nerves can jump. Is Rossi really helping Bagnaia or he is making things even worse with his hysterical approach? If he is allowed to continue he may induce panic in Bagnaia. This Rossi's obsession with Marc is getting pathological.
I do believe the mental condition of Bagnaia will be the main factor in his future success. There are signs Ducati management will not consider him as numero uno next season, apprehending this change won't add to Bagnaia's confidence, either.

How this Ducati Dream Team is going to function? I see question marks.

MdubSTYLIE · Aug 31, 2024

The only one who is going to be affected by Rossi typical ........ is Bagnaia. As we have already seen Marc is impervious to Rossi's childish head games. He is adding pressure to Peccos shoulders while also taking his mind of the goal. Rossi is a total piece of .... and a terrible friend. He is that friend who tries to get you to fight someone because he doesn't like him. Rossi cares about one person and one person only. Himself. All these riders who let Rossi control their career are going to regret it when its over. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Rossi is the worst thing to happen to motogp. He made it toxic. Marc will be just fine. Bagnaia one the other had will suffer from have the devil in his ear.

JPSLotus · Aug 31, 2024

MdubSTYLIE said:
The only one who is going to be affected by Rossi typical ........ is Bagnaia. As we have already seen Marc is impervious to Rossi's childish head games. He is adding pressure to Peccos shoulders while also taking his mind of the goal. Rossi is a total piece of .... and a terrible friend. He is that friend who tries to get you to fight someone because he doesn't like him. Rossi cares about one person and one person only. Himself. All these riders who let Rossi control their career are going to regret it when its over. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Rossi is the worst thing to happen to motogp. He made it toxic. Marc will be just fine. Bagnaia one the other had will suffer from have the devil in his ear.

I'm kind of intrigued by what Rossi thinks he is going to accomplish by all of this. Almost ten years later and he still hasn't learned a thing from running his mouth in the Sepang presser all those years ago. And he still can't just shut the .... up about Marc. It's like ....... dude get over it already. But I guess this is how he wants to be remembered? All the pressure is going to be on Pecco next season whether or not he wins this season's title because the reality is no one has ever beaten Marc head-to-head over a season. Rossi is just going to make it even more pressure cooker for Pecco.

Segfault · Aug 31, 2024

Actually his badmouthing spree started somewhat before Sepang, but it definitely culminated there.
I believe Ducati management will step in if they haven't already. This sort of thing won't be in the news. It is in Ducati's interest to keep Bagnaia sane.

Hollywood · Aug 31, 2024

This is just Rossi being Rossi... Now he has his own little riders club that he uses to stay relevant.

Segfault · Oct 30, 2024

Davide Tardozzi: Bagnaia is outclassing Casey Stoner. No he is not. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall in 2008 Ducati rolled out the same 2007 bike for Stoner and told him: Here's your winning bike, go and win again. I also recall they did not have any upgrades during the season. No meticulous work on bike every race as it is now.
Apples to Oranges.

michaelm · Oct 30, 2024

Segfault said:
Davide Tardozzi: Bagnaia is outclassing Casey Stoner. No he is not. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall in 2008 Ducati rolled out the same 2007 bike for Stoner and told him: Here's your winning bike, go and win again. I also recall they did not have any upgrades during the season. No meticulous work on bike every race as it is now.
Apples to Oranges.

If he wins 3 in a row sure he has achieved more both in his career and for Ducati than Stoner, although as you imply I doubt he would have won any titles on the bikes Ducati gave Stoner including the 2007 bike. Those bikes didn’t look like bikes at all suited to his riding style, and I don’t recall the other Ducatis,although there were only 3 of them and not 7, locking out the top places. Ducati in recent years with VW/Audi ownership have been massively better resourced than the artisanal concern they were in Stoner’s day, and they have Gigi who might also have been somewhat influential in Ducati’s recent success.

Still Bagnaia can only ride the bike he is given against the field which turns up to race him, and Stoner did have the equipment to win 3 titles if not from Ducati, who probably didn’t really give him the equipment to win one title. And if anyone was outclassed as a Ducai rider Valentino Rossi’s eclipse was rather more total.

JPSLotus · Oct 31, 2024

Segfault said:
Davide Tardozzi: Bagnaia is outclassing Casey Stoner. No he is not. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall in 2008 Ducati rolled out the same 2007 bike for Stoner and told him: Here's your winning bike, go and win again. I also recall they did not have any upgrades during the season. No meticulous work on bike every race as it is now.
Apples to Oranges.

I believe the only major "improvement" made to the 2008 Desmosedici was a larger variable intake system (iirc, my memory is hazy on this) that increased power at the expense of rideability. I think they wound up reverting later in the season. Maybe someone here with a better memory can speak on this. Of course that's without getting into the tire situation of 2008.

michaelm · Oct 31, 2024

Stoner had an engine failure in a race fairly early in the season and they reverted to the 2007 engine.

Lex was much more over the tire machinations than I was, but basically iirc the asymmetric tire co-developed for the Ducati with Bridgestone was probably withdrawn as a precursor to the control tire which came in the following year.. I don’t recall Stoner ever complaining about the Bridgestone although he was vociferous about the apparently remainder bin quality Michelins he got in his first year in the premier class on the satellite LCR Honda. Ducati complained for more than a few years under the control tire rule that they no longer had any availability of a tire suited to their bike.

Ducati didn’t even win another race after 2010 until Iannone did in 2016 which also iirc was into the Gigi era, so I consider it unlikely Bagnaia would have been winning back to back titles, or probably any titles at all, in the pre Gigi era, good though he is in the current paradigm.

p4p1 · Oct 31, 2024

michaelm said:
Stoner had an engine failure in a race fairly early in the season and they reverted to the 2007 engine.

Lex was much more over the tire machinations than I was, but basically iirc the asymmetric tire co-developed for the Ducati with Bridgestone was probably withdrawn as a precursor to the control tire which came in the following year.. I don’t recall Stoner ever complaining about the Bridgestone although he was vociferous about the apparently remainder bin quality Michelins he got in his first year in the premier class on the satellite LCR Honda. Ducati complained for more than a few years under the control tire rule that they no longer had any availability of a tire suited to their bike.

Ducati didn’t even win another race after 2010 until Iannone did in 2016 which also iirc was into the Gigi era, so I consider it unlikely Bagnaia would have been winning back to back titles, or probably any titles at all, in the pre Gigi era, good though he is in the current paradigm.

IIRC Gigi's first year was in 2014?

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