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Have ridden both the Hyo and SV 650's for test rides and found them much of a muchness, although the SV in standard trim had a shockingly undersprung front end but that is an easy fix. The Hyo did not fill with confidence when on the brakes either but again an easy fix.



Gotta say though, have never seen en example of either broken down or in need of help on the Oz roads I have ridden but IMO the SV (faired) looks better and the SV1000 is simply gorgeous with some aftermarket cans.



That all said, I did have a weestrom for around 35000 kms and that motor is sweet as a nut, serioulsly fun machine on tar or dirt. Ended up selling it after starting to find it a handful on genuine single track , figures it was time for something else
 
Have ridden both the Hyo and SV 650's for test rides and found them much of a muchness, although the SV in standard trim had a shockingly undersprung front end but that is an easy fix. The Hyo did not fill with confidence when on the brakes either but again an easy fix.



Its not the softness of the front shock so much as the flex. They are very undersized ( diameter wise ) especially since they are just conventional shocks. The Kawa Er was not much better either ........ and sad to say ...... the VStrom has the same front shocks also ..... I should also add that I have had inverted shock bikes for many a year ...... so it may have been me being spoiled a tad too
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they really felt squirrely!! Most VStrom and SV riders, I have met, say the same I suppose .... and yet ,,,,,,, they enjoy their rides ...... so thats all that matters.
 
Have ridden both the Hyo and SV 650's for test rides and found them much of a muchness, although the SV in standard trim had a shockingly undersprung front end but that is an easy fix. The Hyo did not fill with confidence when on the brakes either but again an easy fix.



Gotta say though, have never seen en example of either broken down or in need of help on the Oz roads I have ridden but IMO the SV (faired) looks better and the SV1000 is simply gorgeous with some aftermarket cans.



That all said, I did have a weestrom for around 35000 kms and that motor is sweet as a nut, serioulsly fun machine on tar or dirt. Ended up selling it after starting to find it a handful on genuine single track , figures it was time for something else



I looked at Wee Stroms myself a few years back , but bought an Aprilia Pegaso instead. Big mistake, lovely bike to ride, quick, light an handled.great but unreliable as ..... Kept it 18 months then sold it and bought the Transalp. Would still like to try a Wee Strom though, they look awesome with TKC 80s, desert bars and some metal luggage.
 
You both need one of these:



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But with the front Guard raised. That low guard aint going to last 30 seconds in a bit of mud!!.



Just finished getting one ready for a Rally ......... magic bike, nothing else compares if you are touching dirt tracks.



Oh and I fitted Oxford heated grips to it Pete ...... it will see snow!! ....... sadly its not me riding it through there !!
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I looked at Wee Stroms myself a few years back , but bought an Aprilia Pegaso instead. Big mistake, lovely bike to ride, quick, light an handled.great but unreliable as ..... Kept it 18 months then sold it and bought the Transalp. Would still like to try a Wee Strom though, they look awesome with TKC 80s, desert bars and some metal luggage.



Pete, my Strom had theTKC 80's on it and they were sensational tyres on dirt (for that bike) and remarkably capable of peg scraping and all on tar, but when wet it was sideways city on the local Macquarie Pass. No grip at all in the wet but mega fun
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My old strom had the topbox and full crash guards, bashplate and was airborne a few times (some intentional, some just .... ups
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Geez it was a capable bike but sadly, just a little heavy.



I am actually moving soon and will be looking at another as they are said to be a little lighter and better in the motor side
 
I really hope Vale stays with Ducati. They're are a good match.



Would love to see Hayden go to WSBK with Ducati & win a title.



Hard to believe the Ducati WSBK & MotoGP teams come from the same company. One has a great winning history the other is a joke.
 
Hard to believe the Ducati WSBK & MotoGP teams come from the same company. One has a great winning history the other is a joke.



RULES. In Wsbk, Ducati is the Honda GP in terms of influence. Notice Honda sucks in Wsbk? While in GP, Honda writes the rules for the series.
 
Pete, my Strom had theTKC 80's on it and they were sensational tyres on dirt (for that bike) and remarkably capable of peg scraping and all on tar, but when wet it was sideways city on the local Macquarie Pass. No grip at all in the wet but mega fun
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My old strom had the topbox and full crash guards, bashplate and was airborne a few times (some intentional, some just .... ups
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Geez it was a capable bike but sadly, just a little heavy.



I am actually moving soon and will be looking at another as they are said to be a little lighter and better in the motor side



I've just stuck a set of TKCs on the Transalp, need to do the head bearings before I get to try them out in anger though.The new Wee Strom is getting brilliant reviews over here, helluva nice bike.



I'm off to Sicily later this month, and have booked a 700 Transalp for a couple of days out there. Looking forward to seeing how it compares with the 600 I own.
 
Yes but Yamaka ....... My measured fuel economy in litres used per kilometer did not change when I put the new plugs in ..... get that
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Now back to the plugs ( in the bike ) ...... do you recommend Iridiums? Even if i get a repeatable better performance with "k's" ??



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Oh and Octane rating has nothing to do with energy out of the fuel ( though especially with a V twins a slower igniting/burning fuel ( higher octane ) may give better energy release )

I was getting V Power 100RON till they phased it out now I get the 98RON.

You got the same fuel economy with a 2mm gap as with a 1mm gap? Doubtful TBH unless it's a really ancient donk design. Yes, you don't have to change the plugs if the electrodes are still good but you do have to re-gap, which is what you did.



For most people, when you've the time & effort of taking the plugs out, re-gapping and re-fitting the old ones is a false economy as there are other things to consider, eg over time the insulation can break down as well, and the cost of copper plugs is negligable. Plugs are consumables.



As far as octane is concerned, putting a higher octane fuel into an engine than it was designed for will not increase the power output, nor did I say it did. However, burning fuel with a lower octane rating than the engine was designed for often results in a reduction of power output and efficiency. This is obviously something JLR have to consider as we make high compression supercharged V8s & V6s which was why I mentioned lower octanes.



This is because modern engines are equipped with knock sensors, which allow the Engine ECU to ...... the ignition when detonation is detected (which tends to happen with a too low octane fuel). Retarding the ignition timing reduces the tendency of the fuel-air mixture to detonate, but also reduces power output and fuel efficiency. So, yes octane rating can affect power output.



If you get better results with standard plugs than Iridium plugs, I'd stick with what works. It might be that the heat range of the Iridium plugs you bought wasn't right, or it could be plug gap as often you need a wider gap for platinum or iridium than is recommended for the standard plugs and that will give a stronger spark.
 
You got the same fuel economy with a 2mm gap as with a 1mm gap? Doubtful TBH unless it's a really ancient donk design. Yes, you don't have to change the plugs if the electrodes are still good but you do have to re-gap, which is what you did.



For most people, when you've the time & effort of taking the plugs out, re-gapping and re-fitting the old ones is a false economy as there are other things to consider, eg over time the insulation can break down as well, and the cost of copper plugs is negligable. Plugs are consumables.



As far as octane is concerned, putting a higher octane fuel into an engine than it was designed for will not increase the power output, nor did I say it did. However, burning fuel with a lower octane rating than the engine was designed for often results in a reduction of power output and efficiency. This is obviously something JLR have to consider as we make high compression supercharged V8s & V6s which was why I mentioned lower octanes.



This is because modern engines are equipped with knock sensors, which allow the Engine ECU to ...... the ignition when detonation is detected (which tends to happen with a too low octane fuel). Retarding the ignition timing reduces the tendency of the fuel-air mixture to detonate, but also reduces power output and fuel efficiency. So, yes octane rating can affect power output.



If you get better results with standard plugs than Iridium plugs, I'd stick with what works. It might be that the heat range of the Iridium plugs you bought wasn't right, or it could be plug gap as often you need a wider gap for platinum or iridium than is recommended for the standard plugs and that will give a stronger spark.



I re-gapped them to get to the auto shop on the way to work.



On the knock sensor ..... my Hyo has one of those ....... its called ........ me
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Those K plugs are not stock in the Hyo at all, they are what I decided to try as I have heard they give a more rapid combustion, purely because they are open to the cylinder head, and they work very well in mt KTM. Sounded dubious to me but then again when you consider that in the iridium plugs the flame front must come round the electrode then is free to exponentially expand, it could well explain the discernible and measurable better performance of the K plugs.



On the fuels ...... I use V power because it does give measurably and discernibly better performance. Other higher octane fuels don't, so it kinda comes down to perhaps the V Power really is an "energy dense" fuel, as Shell describes it.

Would be interested to do a long term test on its use in a high rev short stroke 4, because I have a feeling that it would not suit said engines.
 
I re-gapped them to get to the auto shop on the way to work.



On the knock sensor ..... my Hyo has one of those ....... its called ........ me
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Those K plugs are not stock in the Hyo at all, they are what I decided to try as I have heard they give a more rapid combustion, purely because they are open to the cylinder head, and they work very well in mt KTM. Sounded dubious to me but then again when you consider that in the iridium plugs the flame front must come round the electrode then is free to exponentially expand, it could well explain the discernible and measurable better performance of the K plugs.



On the fuels ...... I use V power because it does give measurably and discernibly better performance. Other higher octane fuels don't, so it kinda comes down to perhaps the V Power really is an "energy dense" fuel, as Shell describes it.

Would be interested to do a long term test on its use in a high rev short stroke 4, because I have a feeling that it would not suit said engines.

You forgot to mention how much you rely on Google
 
Hey you snuck that one in !!





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hang on need coffee



don't go away I'll be back ...........................

As the unflushable turd of this forum I'm sure you will - you always are and I shall continue to tally your trolling.
 
Up to you how things go in the future, but I have decided that if you "troll" me you shall be treated in the same manner.
 

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