Ducati 2013, Audi is all in.

hawkdriver said:

The last race shows why you keep rossi, especially if you are an outsider looking in. Rossi has again used his own set up and made the bike perform a little better while Nicky has been using the setting Ducati want him to use and again lost his tires at the end of the race. Rossi is obviously doing something right, and he isn't going to settle for what Ducati want him to do, he wants more and he's made that plain to see. If there's one thing management type people understand it's accountability, you can't continue to fail and put the blame on the riders. Rossi isn't going to let Presi and Duc get off the hook as easily as they have with every other rider.

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Dude, the 'Ducati setup' IS the Hayden / Martinez setup.



Some few races ago, Ducati told Flossi to give up the '80 second fix' and use Hayden's parameters. Flossi improved, but AFAIK, never gave a dime of credit to Nicky or Juan.



That was some time ago, and it seems that VR/JB have since tweaked the 'Ducati Setup,' probably with the addition of new parts. Situation normal. Last weekend he came out ahead of Hayden. Yea, good for him - the 'GOAT' managed to beat the 'Lucky Redneck.' But for you to blame Hayden/Martinez for 'failing' in some manner is, at best, two-faced and mildly hypocritical given VR's recent success (frequent lack thereof.)

As for Audi going 'All In', I somehow doubt they are qualified to fully and accurately evaluate the situation at Ducati, and doubt they will make the correct changes to personnel and policy that are necessary. Instead, I predict the influx of lots of money that will buy lots (more) of thrashing about. All this activity will, in turn, yield occasional success, but will also produce no fundamental systemic improvement in the team or the way it develops motorcycles.



In other words, SNAFU on a bigger budget. Dilbert's Pointy Haired Boss would no doubt approve....

Audi cant help.



No one makes a better bike than the Japs. Fact.

There is no miracle, are you getting crazy thinking Audi would fire Ducati engineers staff? LoL, obviously not. Getting tired of reading all this BS (below) all the time.



- "Ducati don't have talent". Wrong. They do, they only don't have the money.

- "Ducati only won in 2007 thanks to BS and Stoner". Hard bull stool. No brand can win a championship alone, no rider can, a tire can't win alone. Stoner does not won last year only thanks to his talent. Nowadays no rider can win a championship without the best equipment. And indeed, at 2007 Ducati was the bike to beat. The best electronics and the powerful engine, plus the tires plus Stoner, but no way Stoner won b/c of himself (if you doubt just take a look of how strong Ducati's satellite bikes was - Istanbul 3 Ducati's top four, Alex Barros got a podium in Mugello, Capirossi even old, many times inside top 6, etc.). People stating Ducati was crap at 2007 is looking very stupid.



Preziosi is a smart guy and the reason he does not change the bike radically to a japanese winning version is because he knows that without money that never would be possible, without resources Ducati cannot compete in a field where they don't have know how. It's not me saying this. Preziosi himself told the world in 2008 the way he found to win without money. And the way is trying stuff in a parallel field, trying different things. Otherwise they would never win a championship.



One can mark my words, Rossi will stay, Prezi will too, Audi will inject money in the project and Ducati will change a lot. But, I don't know if we'll see results with Rossi in the short term. I think Ducati will rejoin the winning band wagon but that will take some more years, and Rossi will never win a tittle again.

Geonerd said:

As for Audi going 'All In', I somehow doubt they are qualified to fully and accurately evaluate the situation at Ducati, and doubt they will make the correct changes to personnel and policy that are necessary. Instead, I predict the influx of lots of money that will buy lots (more) of thrashing about. All this activity will, in turn, yield occasional success, but will also produce no fundamental systemic improvement in the team or the way it develops motorcycles.



In other words, SNAFU on a bigger budget. Dilbert's Pointy Haired Boss would no doubt approve....

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This.

gui22a said:

There is no miracle - Audi.



- "Ducati don't have talent". Wrong. They do, they only don't have the money.

- "Ducati only won in 2007 thanks to BS and Stoner". Hard bull stool. No brand can win a championship alone, no rider can, a tire can't win alone. Stoner does not won last year only thanks to his talent. Nowadays no rider can win a championship without the best equipment. And indeed, at 2007 Ducati was the bike to beat. The best electronics and the powerful engine, plus the tires plus Stoner, but no way Stoner won b/c of himself (if you doubt just take a look of how strong Ducati's satellite bikes was - Istanbul 3 Ducati's top four, Alex Barros got a podium in Mugello, Capirossi even old, many times inside top 6, etc.). People stating Ducati was crap at 2007 is looking very stupid.



Preziosi is a smart guy and the reason he does not change the bike radically to a japanese winning version is because he knows that without money that never would be possible, without resources Ducati cannot compete in a field where they don't have know how. It's not me saying this. Preziosi himself told the world in 2008 the way he found to win without money. And the way is trying stuff in a parallel field, trying different things. Otherwise they would never win a championship.



One can mark my words, Rossi will stay, Prezi will too, Audi will inject money in the project and Ducati will change a lot. But, I don't know if we'll see results with Rossi in the short term. I think Ducati will rejoin the winning band wagon but that will take some more years, and Rossi will never win a tittle again.

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I don't quite get Rossi staying. Has he given up on winning and moved on to living for money?Audi can't save this project. Rossi is a fool to stay. He should be knocking/beating on Yamaha's door.That team dominated. Forget the wall and the animus between the Jorge and Rossi. That team basically had a strangle hold on the podium. Honda countered with the Stoner-Pedrosa team while Spies didn't pan out.Here to the dream that never will happen. Jorge 1 and Rossi 2. Yamaha

Geonerd said:

Dude, the 'Ducati setup' IS the Hayden / Martinez setup.



Some few races ago, Ducati told Flossi to give up the '80 second fix' and use Hayden's parameters. Flossi improved, but AFAIK, never gave a dime of credit to Nicky or Juan.



That was some time ago, and it seems that VR/JB have since tweaked the 'Ducati Setup,' probably with the addition of new parts. Situation normal. Last weekend he came out ahead of Hayden. Yea, good for him - the 'GOAT' managed to beat the 'Lucky Redneck.' But for you to blame Hayden/Martinez for 'failing' in some manner is, at best, two-faced and mildly hypocritical given VR's recent success (frequent lack thereof.)

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If situation normal is Rossi beating Hayden then yes we are back to situation normal and it's why Rossi would stay before Nicky. They are back to the old setting and I'm not blaming Nicky for the bike being a pos but I'm saying that it's always the same disappointing story with him. VR is at least rocking the boat, they did things Duc's way and now they are showing them that they were wrong. It's the same thing that's going on with CE at the moment, do you see him keeping his mouth shut, nope, because he wants to win and he isn't going to pander to his bosses.

Duc999 said:

I don't quite get Rossi staying. Has he given up on winning and moved on to living for money?Audi can't save this project. Rossi is a fool to stay. He should be knocking/beating on Yamaha's door.That team dominated. Forget the wall and the animus between the Jorge and Rossi. That team basically had a strangle hold on the podium. Honda countered with the Stoner-Pedrosa team while Spies didn't pan out.Here to the dream that never will happen. Jorge 1 and Rossi 2. Yamaha

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I don't think Yamaha want him back, and it looks like Ben's job is gonna be saved by yamaha USA

hawkdriver said:

I don't think Yamaha want him back, and it looks like Ben's job is gonna be saved by yamaha USA

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I am not so sure about that mate, as he openly said that he is not planning to go to Honda which leaves me thinking he must be pretty confident getting ride with Yamaha next year if he wants to back.

Duc999 said:

I don't quite get Rossi staying. Has he given up on winning and moved on to living for money?Audi can't save this project. Rossi is a fool to stay. He should be knocking/beating on Yamaha's door.That team dominated. Forget the wall and the animus between the Jorge and Rossi. That team basically had a strangle hold on the podium. Honda countered with the Stoner-Pedrosa team while Spies didn't pan out.Here to the dream that never will happen. Jorge 1 and Rossi 2. Yamaha

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+1, couldn't agree more, he needs to get off that bike asap.

Talpa said:

All we need do is look at the title standings to see who is outperforming who, because thats all that matters.

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Surely a 9 time world champion (where have I heard that?) should be much further than 6 points ahead of an inbred hillbilly.

Why is it that everyone is pinning their hopes on a car manufacturer with no prior motorcycle design experience to provide the answers to the problem?



We have spent years hearing and lately been reading geratly that the Ducati is a 'POS' as people wish to put it and yet, many of these same people seem to be pinning their hopes on Audi making the difference with near immediate effect.



The fact of the situation will be that Audi will need to utilise the experience and expertise of the very people who have designed and developed the existing bike (with maybe a blow-in or two) as they do not have the experience themselves. Certainly Audi have a tremendous four wheeled racing heritage and no doubt have access to world leading technology, but four wheeled success takes time to transfer to two-wheeled success (if at all).



IMO, there is no doubt that Audi will make a difference but will their primary concern be the racing and MotoGP sides, or will they be more in tune with their existing range of road going motorcycles and the need to ensure company viability?



Time will tell but I ask, what will people blame if Audi cannot provide the impetus to improve, or their dollars achieve small return?

from mark bracks facebook



Well it looks like Vale may be staying with the red rockets next year. As he said to my mate Paolo from Italian broadcaster RTI after meeting with the boss of Audi at "Pedrosaring" on Sunday; ""I spoke directly with the boss of Audi and they have a strong intent about supporting Ducati in the future to regain its competitive edge. It's a very ambitious project and I'm happy about it."

"And they're counting on me"



As for the GP12 itself: ""It's much more clever to try and improve gradually the bike we have at the moment, because starting from scratch would mean spending too much time on setting up a new machine. We have to focus on the positives of our bike and improve on the negatives: me and my crew gave some clear indications over the past few months and we need to work in this direction."



SO where does that leave Nicky - and for that mater - Cal?

Audi great pedigree with bikes

Duc cant polish a Turd

Vale your welcome to stay with Ducati btw its your only option that or go Fishing

not sure i buy that rossi would be staying because of audi having an immediate impact on ducatis success,they can't be that stupid. rather rossi is staying because he can't land the gresini/factory yam ride

cliché guevara said:

not sure i buy that rossi would be staying because of audi having an immediate impact on ducatis success,they can't be that stupid. rather rossi is staying because he can't land the gresini/factory yam ride

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Agreed

cliché guevara said:

not sure i buy that rossi would be staying because of audi having an immediate impact on Ducati's success,they can't be that stupid. rather Rossi is staying because he can't land the Gresini/factory yam ride

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In this case, I think that, 'Can't land a factory Jap ride' = 'Hasn't landed.... yet.'



Uncle Ezzy is no doubt still skulking about behind the scenes, wheedling and scheming and bribing and blackmailing anyone in 'need' of such treatment.



Of course the Sainted Clown knows nothing....

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Until I see the Rossi's signed-in-blood signature on a Ducati contract, I'll assume this is just another round of the 'Media Theater' game he plays so well.

Geonerd said:

In this case, I think that, 'Can't land a factory Jap ride' = 'Hasn't landed.... yet.'



Uncle Ezzy is no doubt still skulking about behind the scenes, wheedling and scheming and bribing and blackmailing anyone in 'need' of such treatment.



Of course the Sainted Clown knows nothing....

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Until I see the Rossi's signed-in-blood signature on a Ducati contract, I'll assume this is just another round of the 'Media Theater' game he plays so well.

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You maybe correct but ask yourself why would Yamaha want him,they have four quality riders already,riders that dont need a childish wall in the garage or play the worst kind of mind games and to be honest why throw that kind of money at a guy who is at the end of his career when you can invest and nurture the future for a lot less.

thedeal said:

You maybe correct but ask yourself why would Yamaha want him,they have four quality riders already,riders that dont need a childish wall in the garage or play the worst kind of mind games and to be honest why throw that kind of money at a guy who is at the end of his career when you can invest and nurture the future for a lot less.

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Sadly, as I have said before, Rossi took the jump at the worst point in his career. It was pure ego to leave Yamaha, and he soon found that at this stage in his career, he could not jump on the Duc and go win or bin like Casey had done. If the Japanese factories don't want him back, then he has ...... up royally, an it's his own doing. That would be a sad end for the GOAT. Could be made even worse by Crutchlow jumping on the Duc, riding like a bike thief, and getting results between visits to casualty.



But hey what do I know, I'm a bopper who only likes Rossi, and can see no wrong in the man.



BTW, Stoner is a knob. Just thought I'd add that as thats all some folk see when they read my posts, so might as well put it in.

Gaz said:

Why is it that everyone is pinning their hopes on a car manufacturer with no prior motorcycle design experience to provide the answers to the problem?



We have spent years hearing and lately been reading geratly that the Ducati is a 'POS' as people wish to put it and yet, many of these same people seem to be pinning their hopes on Audi making the difference with near immediate effect.



The fact of the situation will be that Audi will need to utilise the experience and expertise of the very people who have designed and developed the existing bike (with maybe a blow-in or two) as they do not have the experience themselves. Certainly Audi have a tremendous four wheeled racing heritage and no doubt have access to world leading technology, but four wheeled success takes time to transfer to two-wheeled success (if at all).



IMO, there is no doubt that Audi will make a difference but will their primary concern be the racing and MotoGP sides, or will they be more in tune with their existing range of road going motorcycles and the need to ensure company viability?



Time will tell but I ask, what will people blame if Audi cannot provide the impetus to improve, or their dollars achieve small return?

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For car guys immediately value adding to gp bikes, see aprilia cube.



VW/audi seem to be systematic and technically competent, and have huge resources, and them employing the right people and managing the gp effort well if they decide to go with it would not seem unlikely.



The only technical expertise they would seem able to immediately offer is engine technology though, the least of ducati's problems, and the record of car engine technology being immediately transferable to gp racing is not promising cf the aforementioned aprilia cube and ilmor.