Dovi says bike does not match the way I ride

Bern1 · May 22, 2022

Hmmm.

That’s a piss poor admission of uselessness. I’d be pissed in Yamaha’s shoes paying him money.

Contrast that with Marquez’s “get to work” attitude over at Honda, where the motorcycle evidently does not “match” the way Marquez rides either. Yet Marquez is working to make the package functional.

Dovi is always needy, always needing something he doesn’t have. If only he had this or that, he’d be a contender….. if only he had a full factory bike like Fabio…

Sure buddy.

Thanks for those few skirmishes with MM that you won, it was cool to watch.

I used to like him but that’s enough of the poor me attitude. Off to pasture mate.

ratdeal · May 22, 2022

I never had him pegged as a premier class WC, although I really wanted to be proven wrong during those peak Ducati years. Iannone was the better choice but he shot himself in the foot when he committed the cardinal sin in Argentina 2016.

The Red Bull streaming series of the 2019 season from the Ducati pitbox confirmed what I'd always thought. Being an "intelligent" rider only goes so far. Once you get out on the track if you want to be a champion you have to leave reason and logic to the engineers. After all genius is an expression of madness, an uncompromising will to succeed against all odds. One of self-belief that borders on narcissistic personality disorder. Being unreasonable and yet being proven right more often than not isn't luck, it's a skill.

Those that point to his WC in the junior class? Many of us have been a testosterone fueled monster in our formative years. We usually grow out of those traits and become functioning members of society. Serial winners don't. There's a reason the over achievers in society often times do unethical and unconscionable things to succeed. They share the anti-social traits of multiple world champions.

Credit goes to Doctor Costa for helping me write the above.

Bern1 · May 22, 2022

Yeah, intelligence is good.

That and 50 cents used to get you a cup of coffee.

It’s like Casey Stoner says, talent is a good start, but you have to put in the work.

It doesn’t look to me like Dovi wants to do any real work.

Mick D · May 22, 2022

What the ....? Dovi is basically a test rider with one foot out the door. His job was to give feedback based on the other bikes he's had the privilege of riding compared to the Yam. Why would Yamaha, or anyone, expect him to change his riding style to suit the Yam at this stage of his career?

Barbedwirebikerr · May 23, 2022

ratdeal said:
I never had him pegged as a premier class WC, although I really wanted to be proven wrong during those peak Ducati years. Iannone was the better choice but he shot himself in the foot when he committed the cardinal sin in Argentina 2016.

The Red Bull streaming series of the 2019 season from the Ducati pitbox confirmed what I'd always thought. Being an "intelligent" rider only goes so far. Once you get out on the track if you want to be a champion you have to leave reason and logic to the engineers. After all genius is an expression of madness, an uncompromising will to succeed against all odds. One of self-belief that borders on narcissistic personality disorder. Being unreasonable and yet being proven right more often than not isn't luck, it's a skill.

Those that point to his WC in the junior class? Many of us have been a testosterone fueled monster in our formative years. We usually grow out of those traits and become functioning members of society. Serial winners don't. There's a reason the over achievers in society often times do unethical and unconscionable things to succeed. They share the anti-social traits of multiple world champions.

Credit goes to Doctor Costa for helping me write the above. ��

Hi Ratdeal, what series was this? These behind the scenes series, I find truly interesting. moreso, than the racing at times.

#22 · May 23, 2022

I've taken flack from Keshav on here because we agree to disagree about Dovi. I've never rated him. Lots of people were acting like he was the messiah in 2017/8 just because he was the only one challenging Marquez occasionally. However it was a perfect storm of Ducati gaining competitiveness and Lorenzo leaving Yamaha and taking a season to adjust to his new bike. Rossi was also past his prime at that point, as was Pedrosa.

When you look at his TEN premier class seasons prior to 2017, he was consistently beaten by many of his team mates and won 1 race on a Repsol Honda at the time Pedrosa was winning 3+ a season and Stoner then came in and won the title in his first year on.

Dovi is massively overrated and I keep my stance from last year that I have no idea what Yamaha saw in signing him.

mylexicon · May 23, 2022

Dovi is in a tough spot. He's never been reported to bring home a big paycheck so he needs to race until he's done. Yamaha seemed like a good spot to work with a privateer team and help them develop their team with a top rider, and maybe provide feedback to Yamaha.

It's turned into a nightmare. He can't figure out the bike so I doubt the private team is getting anything from him, and he has no motivation.

Maybe his riding retirement should take place in WSBK.

Keshav · May 23, 2022

#22 said:
I've taken flack from Keshav on here because we agree to disagree about Dovi. I've never rated him. Lots of people were acting like he was the messiah in 2017/8 just because he was the only one challenging Marquez occasionally. However it was a perfect storm of Ducati gaining competitiveness and Lorenzo leaving Yamaha and taking a season to adjust to his new bike. Rossi was also past his prime at that point, as was Pedrosa.

When you look at his TEN premier class seasons prior to 2017, he was consistently beaten by many of his team mates and won 1 race on a Repsol Honda at the time Pedrosa was winning 3+ a season and Stoner then came in and won the title in his first year on.

Dovi is massively overrated and I keep my stance from last year that I have no idea what Yamaha saw in signing him.

Flack? I hope not. It was AGREEING to disagree. I don’t think Lorenzo’s coming or going had any real-world effect on Dovi’s arc as a rider. And, I’d point out, Dovi’s successes on the Ducati weren’t mere happenstance that just fell in his lap. He rode for them through how many seasons of non-competitiveness? Dovi did years of uncomplaining yeoman work leading development and being a test mule, and so deserves a portion of the credit for the transformation of the Duc into what it is now.

When he was with Honda, he was always the step-child. Remember how it was that when Repsol’s golden boy Dani was away getting more hardware in his joints that magically Dovi’s bike would have extra Hp? I mean, can’t be proven, but if it looks like a duck….

I just don’t think one can dismiss a rider with 15 MotoGp wins and 62 podiums as a wannabe.

ratdeal · May 23, 2022

Barbedwirebikerr said:
Hi Ratdeal, what series was this? These behind the scenes series, I find truly interesting. moreso, than the racing at times.

https://www.redbull.com/int-en/films/andrea-dovizioso-undaunted-film

It's actually a feature. If you have the Motogp season pass there is a series on Marc's season too. Interesting to see the difference in approaches. One stand out is the grief Dovi was getting from Gigi. Also the dynamic between him and Petruz is very interesting. Dovi was very keen to put him in his place during one particular conversation about a front end slide Petrucci had.

Enjoy. I suggest anyone who hasn't seen this, does so!

ratdeal · May 23, 2022

mylexicon said:
Dovi is in a tough spot. He's never been reported to bring home a big paycheck so he needs to race until he's done. Yamaha seemed like a good spot to work with a privateer team and help them develop their team with a top rider, and maybe provide feedback to Yamaha.

It's turned into a nightmare. He can't figure out the bike so I doubt the private team is getting anything from him, and he has no motivation.

Maybe his riding retirement should take place in WSBK.

€6,000,000 a season during his Ducati years is nothing to be sniffed at. Although Lorenzo taking home double that must have been a deep burn.

#22 · May 23, 2022

Keshav said:
Flack? I hope not. It was AGREEING to disagree. I don’t think Lorenzo’s coming or going had any real-world effect on Dovi’s arc as a rider. And, I’d point out, Dovi’s successes on the Ducati weren’t mere happenstance that just fell in his lap. He rode for them through how many seasons of non-competitiveness? Dovi did years of uncomplaining yeoman work leading development and being a test mule, and so deserves a portion of the credit for the transformation of the Duc into what it is now.

When he was with Honda, he was always the step-child. Remember how it was that when Repsol’s golden boy Dani was away getting more hardware in his joints that magically Dovi’s bike would have extra Hp? I mean, can’t be proven, but if it looks like a duck….

I just don’t think one can so easily dismiss a rider with 15 MotoGp wins and 62 podiums as a wannabe.

I meant it in jest

Yes we agree to disagree. You make some good points but he's still underachieved imo.

mylexicon · May 23, 2022

ratdeal said:
€6,000,000 a season during his Ducati years is nothing to be sniffed at. Although Lorenzo taking home double that must have been a deep burn.

I thought he was stuck in the 3-4 range, which is still solid but maybe not enough to lounge by Lake Cuomo for the rest of your life.

If he was bringing home 6m, he needs to retire

Bern1 · May 23, 2022

ratdeal said:
€6,000,000 a season during his Ducati years is nothing to be sniffed at. Although Lorenzo taking home double that must have been a deep burn.

Lorenzo was more than twice the rider Dovi was.

Bern1 · May 23, 2022

Mick D said:
What the ....? Dovi is basically a test rider with one foot out the door. His job was to give feedback based on the other bikes he's had the privilege of riding compared to the Yam. Why would Yamaha, or anyone, expect him to change his riding style to suit the Yam at this stage of his career?

Hmm, it’s a satellite team admittedly but not a testing team is it?

If he is basically a test rider, why not just hire him as such?

Bern1 · May 23, 2022

mylexicon said:
I thought he was stuck in the 3-4 range, which is still solid but maybe not enough to lounge by Lake Cuomo for the rest of your life.

If he was bringing home 6m, he needs to retire

Somehow I just don’t feel sorry for this guy no matter how much he did or didn’t make.

propagandhi · May 23, 2022

Maybe the M1 needs to be ridden fast, idk

Mick D · May 23, 2022

Bern1 said:
Hmm, it’s a satellite team admittedly but not a testing team is it?

If he is basically a test rider, why not just hire him as such?

If I remember correctly Dovi is contracted directly to Yam. I think they thought they'd get double-duty - feedback and possible race competitiveness. That hope died quickly.

Hollywood · May 24, 2022

when you are a factory rider, everything is adjustable, if a rider doesn't like the seat or tank then they redesign it for him. Its different for customer teams, those riders and teams must make due with what they are given.

I didnt expect Dovi to be given a competitive bike, I more less expected him to maybe test a few things and gather data and possibly be a sub in the event a factory rider gets injured. Would Yamaha really let him in on the good stuff, knowing he could be with a different team in a few months that he could share that technical information with?

#22 · May 24, 2022

Hollywood said:
Would Yamaha really let him in on the good stuff, knowing he could be with a different team in a few months that he could share that technical information with?

Factory teams weren't interested in him in late 2020, why would another factory be interested in him now? ANY (slim) chance he had at getting another ride evaporated the second Suzuki decided to pull out. There are just too many younger and better riders on the market now.

warthog1 · May 24, 2022

I don't mind Dovi as a person or at least his public persona.
Pretty honest and largely refrained from slinging .... at his rivals.
I enjoyed watching him race and beat MM, and I say that as someone who rates Marquez as the best he's seen.

I had hoped he'd gave been closer to the front on the Yam but nobody bar Fab is.
Not that surprised at least he's worn it though, publicly stating he is unable to ride the bike as it needs to be ridden.
Going to miss his insights and character on the grid.

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