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cuckoo bird
Deary me, the trolling's deteriorated again. The "warrior", "beast" (LOL) and "coward" thing is getting overused. You can come back to them later, I'm sure.
I tried to help you out with a new theme (Greed) with the reference to Black Jack, maybe you could take that up?
Or maybe that he has no respect for the sport?
Here's a new one, I've seen little evidence of his Italian or Spanish, hence he's too linguistically challenged to deserve a place in the paddock?
Deary me, the trolling's deteriorated again. The "warrior", "beast" (LOL) and "coward" thing is getting overused. You can come back to them later, I'm sure.
I tried to help you out with a new theme (Greed) with the reference to Black Jack, maybe you could take that up?
Or maybe that he has no respect for the sport?
Here's a new one, I've seen little evidence of his Italian or Spanish, hence he's too linguistically challenged to deserve a place in the paddock?
cuckoo bird
If it amuses you to argue with yourself/run both sides of an argument then good for you, but nobody is really saying stoner is the best rider of his generation (as opposed to the fastest, in which aspect he can probably challenge most generations), in particular not stoner himself.
I don't think he is clairvoyant either, which he would have needed to be to be frightened by the prospect of rossi on a factory yamaha or marquez on a factory honda in 2013, when he decided to retire early in the 2012 season (at a time he was close to the lead of the championship I believe), particularly since without his retirement it is unlikely marquez would be on a factory honda; at the time marquez was not even the defending moto2 champion, and the odds on him winning the 2012 championship were challenged by the odds for him surviving that championship.
If it amuses you to argue with yourself/run both sides of an argument then good for you, but nobody is really saying stoner is the best rider of his generation (as opposed to the fastest, in which aspect he can probably challenge most generations), in particular not stoner himself.
I don't think he is clairvoyant either, which he would have needed to be to be frightened by the prospect of rossi on a factory yamaha or marquez on a factory honda in 2013, when he decided to retire early in the 2012 season (at a time he was close to the lead of the championship I believe), particularly since without his retirement it is unlikely marquez would be on a factory honda; at the time marquez was not even the defending moto2 champion, and the odds on him winning the 2012 championship were challenged by the odds for him surviving that championship.
michaelm
Well Stoner did mentioned he had lost his love for MotoGP due to Dorna's rules and so on. That was one of the lamest reason given, its all fake,..just an excuse used by Stoner to cover up his coward personality of not brave enough to face the new 2013 challenge.
When Stoner announced his retirement, Marc Marquez may not have won the title yet, Rossi not officially announced to return to Yamaha. But as I had said, Stoner is smart, cunning and coward. Stoner is so smart and cunning that he knew this would surely happened. Only the not so smart will only know this coming when it is official.
Rossi in 2013 would definitely not be a challenger to Stoner, he is slower and older, and got his confidence shattered in Ducati, yet Stoner afraid of this challenege? Thats very cowardly of Stoner...seriously.
And can you have a logical explanations of Stoner's mysterious illness and puking into helmet syndrome in 2009?
Ducati's professional doctors failed to explain the illness and puke into helmet syndrome. Because it is all made up by Stoner as he was too afraid to face the reality of being beaten two years in a row by Rossi in 2009.
Stoner at that time did not know only he could ride the Ducati fast, so he was so coward then that he decided to come out with the mysterious illness story and puke into helmet syndrome.
Well Stoner did mentioned he had lost his love for MotoGP due to Dorna's rules and so on. That was one of the lamest reason given, its all fake,..just an excuse used by Stoner to cover up his coward personality of not brave enough to face the new 2013 challenge.
When Stoner announced his retirement, Marc Marquez may not have won the title yet, Rossi not officially announced to return to Yamaha. But as I had said, Stoner is smart, cunning and coward. Stoner is so smart and cunning that he knew this would surely happened. Only the not so smart will only know this coming when it is official.
Rossi in 2013 would definitely not be a challenger to Stoner, he is slower and older, and got his confidence shattered in Ducati, yet Stoner afraid of this challenege? Thats very cowardly of Stoner...seriously.
And can you have a logical explanations of Stoner's mysterious illness and puking into helmet syndrome in 2009?
Ducati's professional doctors failed to explain the illness and puke into helmet syndrome. Because it is all made up by Stoner as he was too afraid to face the reality of being beaten two years in a row by Rossi in 2009.
Stoner at that time did not know only he could ride the Ducati fast, so he was so coward then that he decided to come out with the mysterious illness story and puke into helmet syndrome.
cuckoo bird
Perhaps stoner was also the vanguard of a martian invasion force but realised he could never escape the spanish inquisition.
Perhaps stoner was also the vanguard of a martian invasion force but realised he could never escape the spanish inquisition.
Joined Oct 2006
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mylexicon
There are 4-5 or 10 more "incidents" i could add. But that would just be my 'confirmation bias' talking. I shouldnt pile on.... but i will. The "experts" have been silent through much of this charade. My only explanation of this is that they are no different than ur standard naive bopper. Surely its not from lack of being privy to the reality of the sham. Its no wonder Stoner called the media out in particular using frank scathing words when he announced his premature departure. For a moment after, i read several journalists write pieces that seemed to sober them up a bit. It led a few to finally give his illness a name and some wrote articles with an 'almost' apologetic tone (which most often just amounted to finally recognizing his talent, something they downplayed before perhaps from fear of their reader base lashback). But the "experts" fell short of recognizing their complicity in the farce that is GP competition, politics, unfettered favoritism, finagled regulations, inconsistent penalty sanctions, and contrived records (all easily bought by the naive and gullible). That sobering was short lived. And its back to business as usual. That is why Carmelo Clause and Co. can arrogantly say whatever lie they want without the fear of being called on ......... 'Stay calm people, VR will be gifted a lifeline'... No call out. 'Stay calm people, we'll just eliminate rules as we see convenient'.... No call out. ...., quite the contrary, they (experts and gullible fans) are happy to do the bidding for them.
When i read the article on Speed back in 08 that outlined the stark involvement by Dorna to coerce the power players to provide their favorite son Bridgestones (which ultimately led to spec tire), i was surprised by its candid reporting. I thought, surely now fans and the rest of the media would fallow suit and recognize the league's ........ (something i've been arguing since day one on the forum). Turned out such an article was dismissed or just ignored. Reminded me of the not so secret reporting on Saturday Night Special tires for Rossi--never has a decidedly exclusively favorable performance enhancing aid been so routinely accepted as normal for authentic competition. This, while the uproar of particular fans with the blessing of the "experts" threw a fit when they surmised that Stoner had an advantage on the GP7. Never mind that all the other Ducatis were just as fast but no where near as successful. And never mind that it wasnt an "advantage" that was wrought by exclusive dispensation but rather by actual spirit of competition (something later eliminated when the tire completion/war was mitigated in Rossi's favor).
The list goes on and on. 2013 will continue to be a farce. The record books contrived for for GPs favored sons, Pedro is as special as Rossi. If u want a clue where Pedro would be minus the best bike on the grid, look no further than Rossi's record the last two years. The joke is that this year both will record wins, thats all one needs to know about the authenticity and parity of GP, knowing damn well that Rossi would gave been a non-factor the rest of his racing career.
There are 4-5 or 10 more "incidents" i could add. But that would just be my 'confirmation bias' talking. I shouldnt pile on.... but i will. The "experts" have been silent through much of this charade. My only explanation of this is that they are no different than ur standard naive bopper. Surely its not from lack of being privy to the reality of the sham. Its no wonder Stoner called the media out in particular using frank scathing words when he announced his premature departure. For a moment after, i read several journalists write pieces that seemed to sober them up a bit. It led a few to finally give his illness a name and some wrote articles with an 'almost' apologetic tone (which most often just amounted to finally recognizing his talent, something they downplayed before perhaps from fear of their reader base lashback). But the "experts" fell short of recognizing their complicity in the farce that is GP competition, politics, unfettered favoritism, finagled regulations, inconsistent penalty sanctions, and contrived records (all easily bought by the naive and gullible). That sobering was short lived. And its back to business as usual. That is why Carmelo Clause and Co. can arrogantly say whatever lie they want without the fear of being called on ......... 'Stay calm people, VR will be gifted a lifeline'... No call out. 'Stay calm people, we'll just eliminate rules as we see convenient'.... No call out. ...., quite the contrary, they (experts and gullible fans) are happy to do the bidding for them.
When i read the article on Speed back in 08 that outlined the stark involvement by Dorna to coerce the power players to provide their favorite son Bridgestones (which ultimately led to spec tire), i was surprised by its candid reporting. I thought, surely now fans and the rest of the media would fallow suit and recognize the league's ........ (something i've been arguing since day one on the forum). Turned out such an article was dismissed or just ignored. Reminded me of the not so secret reporting on Saturday Night Special tires for Rossi--never has a decidedly exclusively favorable performance enhancing aid been so routinely accepted as normal for authentic competition. This, while the uproar of particular fans with the blessing of the "experts" threw a fit when they surmised that Stoner had an advantage on the GP7. Never mind that all the other Ducatis were just as fast but no where near as successful. And never mind that it wasnt an "advantage" that was wrought by exclusive dispensation but rather by actual spirit of competition (something later eliminated when the tire completion/war was mitigated in Rossi's favor).
The list goes on and on. 2013 will continue to be a farce. The record books contrived for for GPs favored sons, Pedro is as special as Rossi. If u want a clue where Pedro would be minus the best bike on the grid, look no further than Rossi's record the last two years. The joke is that this year both will record wins, thats all one needs to know about the authenticity and parity of GP, knowing damn well that Rossi would gave been a non-factor the rest of his racing career.
Joined Aug 2008
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Thailand
I'm always amused at Jum's attempts to enlighten us to the fact that MGP exists within the same framework of bias, politics, back-stabbing and terchery that serve as the stage for all other organized sports, business, and everyday life. For years, as he states above, Jum has churned out reams of paragraphs, gobbled up light-years of bandwidth hammering away at the non-responsive equine in the naive belief that the members of PS had no idea their beloved sport functions in the same quagmire as all of human endeavour!
So in an attempt to save bandwidth and keystrokes I'll respond:
Jum, dude, we get it. Most of us always have gotten it. MGP does not exist in an Utopian vacuum, the playing field is not level, some participants get treated better than others, some participants are better at manipulating the system, and power-brokers run the show. Welcome to MGP and life compa!!
So in an attempt to save bandwidth and keystrokes I'll respond:
Jum, dude, we get it. Most of us always have gotten it. MGP does not exist in an Utopian vacuum, the playing field is not level, some participants get treated better than others, some participants are better at manipulating the system, and power-brokers run the show. Welcome to MGP and life compa!!
cuckoo bird
I know you're just trolling, but you should still try to look at the situation from another perspective.
Most of these guys are just speed freaks with a one-dimensional set of life skills. They don't have much bargaining power. When Dorna, IRTA, the MSMA, or the sponsors ring the dinner bell, the riders come running with hand outstretched, begging for alms and factory equipment. They risk life and limb to impress people who really couldn't care less about them.
When Stoner heard the dinner bells ringing, he told everyone he prefers farming to fame. He walked out the side exit with conviction.
His actions are more bold than people realize, imo.
I know you're just trolling, but you should still try to look at the situation from another perspective.
Most of these guys are just speed freaks with a one-dimensional set of life skills. They don't have much bargaining power. When Dorna, IRTA, the MSMA, or the sponsors ring the dinner bell, the riders come running with hand outstretched, begging for alms and factory equipment. They risk life and limb to impress people who really couldn't care less about them.
When Stoner heard the dinner bells ringing, he told everyone he prefers farming to fame. He walked out the side exit with conviction.
His actions are more bold than people realize, imo.
Jumkie
How can you identify both the control tire (the de jure elimination of Rossi-specials) and Saturday Night Specials as evidence of Rossi-favoritism? How can claim that Dorna manipulate the contest to Rossi's benefit, when they worked to send him to Ducati, which might have been his swan song, if not for Spies tribulations?
What if Dorna were also influential in Rossi's first move to Yamaha, and they were working tirelessly to plant the notion that 'real' champions can win for different makes? Yamaha hadn't won a title since 1992. Dorna were less concerned with Rossi's stats, and more concerned with creating a cool story and rebuilding competition amongst the manufacturers. I believe the same mission was cited when Rossi headed to Ducati............hmmmm.
Your conspiracies are interesting, but they aren't believable b/c you suggest that the Dorna-Rossi alliance is a one way street. You want us to believe that Dorna will do anything to promote Rossi so that he can become bigger than the sport as his legend and political power grow. I've never heard of such conspiracies. Usually, the power brokers give someone a penthouse, then they ask them to wade through a cesspool. After a while, the balance of power begins to change, and the pawn makes demands like "give me Bstones" or "switch me back to Yamaha"
How can you identify both the control tire (the de jure elimination of Rossi-specials) and Saturday Night Specials as evidence of Rossi-favoritism? How can claim that Dorna manipulate the contest to Rossi's benefit, when they worked to send him to Ducati, which might have been his swan song, if not for Spies tribulations?
What if Dorna were also influential in Rossi's first move to Yamaha, and they were working tirelessly to plant the notion that 'real' champions can win for different makes? Yamaha hadn't won a title since 1992. Dorna were less concerned with Rossi's stats, and more concerned with creating a cool story and rebuilding competition amongst the manufacturers. I believe the same mission was cited when Rossi headed to Ducati............hmmmm.
Your conspiracies are interesting, but they aren't believable b/c you suggest that the Dorna-Rossi alliance is a one way street. You want us to believe that Dorna will do anything to promote Rossi so that he can become bigger than the sport as his legend and political power grow. I've never heard of such conspiracies. Usually, the power brokers give someone a penthouse, then they ask them to wade through a cesspool. After a while, the balance of power begins to change, and the pawn makes demands like "give me Bstones" or "switch me back to Yamaha"
Joined Oct 2006
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Mick D
Well then, you are detached from reality. I would agree with you that currently the forum has many members who are fairly aware of the GP machinate. But when I first joined here I joking said this place could be renamed to reflect the overwhelming belief that the records were all achieved on a level playing field, because at the time the most popular rider was VR, newsflash, he still is (though it may not be reflect on this forum, at the moment). Naturally, his fans felt that everything was perfectly authentic, which means they probably continue to think this. That fateful and deviation from the scrip in 06 catapulted this belief into overdrive (no much different in the years after during his rivalry with Casey & Lorenzo). You suggest that there is no need to express my views on the current state of the sport, yet it is little to no different as it was then. The lessons of this year still clearly indicate that nothing has changed. How do I know this, well its this environment which allows Carmelo Clause to make arrogant statements knowing that the overwhelming majority are still naive enough to be on board the ........ he pedals. So no Micky (as in the disney mouse), you still live in a fantasy world if you think there is no need to remind us of the state of the sport and judge the records with a bit more scrutiny, as many still argue at mere face value. I accept I'm not "enlightening" anybody who already understands the reality of the situation. Lex took the time to outline a few series of events that point to the nature of the operating "framework" of how the sport has been managed by its principals; in particular to the debate, explaining why Casey became disenchanted with MotoGP. I just added to it a bit it with a different focus. You have been on a fruitless crusade to get people to stop engaging Cookoo bird, it doesn't seem to be working buddy (especially since you keep engaging him yourself directly or indirectly). I'm not bothered with his premise and posts, his opinion as like many others who I've encounter and engaged throughout the years. On the other hand, his posts have served to produce some excellent responses from others which I have been enjoying (Cobra, Lex, Mikem, Andy, etc etc). Not that I think they will convince Cookoo, (as much as my posts may never convince bopperkoos); but because its always interesting to me to read people's takes and reflection on the sport. Now run along Micky, and tell us to 'stop feeding the troll' hahaha. Thats been pretty much the extent of your contributions lately.
Well then, you are detached from reality. I would agree with you that currently the forum has many members who are fairly aware of the GP machinate. But when I first joined here I joking said this place could be renamed to reflect the overwhelming belief that the records were all achieved on a level playing field, because at the time the most popular rider was VR, newsflash, he still is (though it may not be reflect on this forum, at the moment). Naturally, his fans felt that everything was perfectly authentic, which means they probably continue to think this. That fateful and deviation from the scrip in 06 catapulted this belief into overdrive (no much different in the years after during his rivalry with Casey & Lorenzo). You suggest that there is no need to express my views on the current state of the sport, yet it is little to no different as it was then. The lessons of this year still clearly indicate that nothing has changed. How do I know this, well its this environment which allows Carmelo Clause to make arrogant statements knowing that the overwhelming majority are still naive enough to be on board the ........ he pedals. So no Micky (as in the disney mouse), you still live in a fantasy world if you think there is no need to remind us of the state of the sport and judge the records with a bit more scrutiny, as many still argue at mere face value. I accept I'm not "enlightening" anybody who already understands the reality of the situation. Lex took the time to outline a few series of events that point to the nature of the operating "framework" of how the sport has been managed by its principals; in particular to the debate, explaining why Casey became disenchanted with MotoGP. I just added to it a bit it with a different focus. You have been on a fruitless crusade to get people to stop engaging Cookoo bird, it doesn't seem to be working buddy (especially since you keep engaging him yourself directly or indirectly). I'm not bothered with his premise and posts, his opinion as like many others who I've encounter and engaged throughout the years. On the other hand, his posts have served to produce some excellent responses from others which I have been enjoying (Cobra, Lex, Mikem, Andy, etc etc). Not that I think they will convince Cookoo, (as much as my posts may never convince bopperkoos); but because its always interesting to me to read people's takes and reflection on the sport. Now run along Micky, and tell us to 'stop feeding the troll' hahaha. Thats been pretty much the extent of your contributions lately.
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mylexicon
SNS were a tire performance advantage for exclusive riders, particularly VR. Even among the riders that got the SNS, it was reported that VR got "the good stuff" (see Randy Mamola's Alpinestars blog). There would have been no elimination of a tire war unless VR would have threatened the series to leave (did you not read the Speed article I posted recently that outline the series of events during that time?) After the single tire supplier was announced the spec of the tire changed decidedly to the detriment of Stoner and the benefit of VR (you have been saying the same .... for a while, so not sure where your confusion is stemming from, unless you are asking me rhetorically). VR chose to go to Ducati because he was disgruntled with Yamaha giving his teammate equal treatment (which he blamed for losing the title, yeah, imagine that.) Not having much of an option to go to HRC, the only other factory openly willing to take him was Ducati (not sure how this got lost on you, as you suggest it was Dornas idea to leave Yamaha). He left on his own, probably from the stacked-deck belief that he was actually as good as the advantages he enjoyed made him seem, his Ducati tenure proved otherwise (much to the vindication of what I've been banging on about since 06). Dorna's involvement has been to bail him out and restore him to a competitive seat.
You trying to re-write history now? Dorna were not trying to plant any notion because it wasn't their idea VR leave HRC, so quit making .... up out of thin air. VR left HRC for very similar reasons he left Yamaha: EGO. This is common knowledge (difficult for an ego-leopard to change his spots); except this time there wasn't another competitive GP machine waiting for him (not for the lack of trying on both Ducati's and Dornas part, who again tweaked key regulations decidedly in VR's favor). Hey, maybe we didn't land on the moon, eh Lex?
If the purpose of your post has been sarcastic for effect, then I've misread this post epically, of which I applaud you and say, 'bravo, well done!’; if not, then you have a severe split personality and are a danger to yourself and your community). Dorna promoted VR because they figured out cult sells, hero vs villain (not a coincidence that Biaggi, Sete, Hayden (for about a year) Lorenzo, and Stoner were all the subject of vehement disparaging)—the hero always wins, even when he doesn’t. It didn't hurt that VR was likable and a perfect partner in the game.
SNS were a tire performance advantage for exclusive riders, particularly VR. Even among the riders that got the SNS, it was reported that VR got "the good stuff" (see Randy Mamola's Alpinestars blog). There would have been no elimination of a tire war unless VR would have threatened the series to leave (did you not read the Speed article I posted recently that outline the series of events during that time?) After the single tire supplier was announced the spec of the tire changed decidedly to the detriment of Stoner and the benefit of VR (you have been saying the same .... for a while, so not sure where your confusion is stemming from, unless you are asking me rhetorically). VR chose to go to Ducati because he was disgruntled with Yamaha giving his teammate equal treatment (which he blamed for losing the title, yeah, imagine that.) Not having much of an option to go to HRC, the only other factory openly willing to take him was Ducati (not sure how this got lost on you, as you suggest it was Dornas idea to leave Yamaha). He left on his own, probably from the stacked-deck belief that he was actually as good as the advantages he enjoyed made him seem, his Ducati tenure proved otherwise (much to the vindication of what I've been banging on about since 06). Dorna's involvement has been to bail him out and restore him to a competitive seat.
You trying to re-write history now? Dorna were not trying to plant any notion because it wasn't their idea VR leave HRC, so quit making .... up out of thin air. VR left HRC for very similar reasons he left Yamaha: EGO. This is common knowledge (difficult for an ego-leopard to change his spots); except this time there wasn't another competitive GP machine waiting for him (not for the lack of trying on both Ducati's and Dornas part, who again tweaked key regulations decidedly in VR's favor). Hey, maybe we didn't land on the moon, eh Lex?
If the purpose of your post has been sarcastic for effect, then I've misread this post epically, of which I applaud you and say, 'bravo, well done!’; if not, then you have a severe split personality and are a danger to yourself and your community). Dorna promoted VR because they figured out cult sells, hero vs villain (not a coincidence that Biaggi, Sete, Hayden (for about a year) Lorenzo, and Stoner were all the subject of vehement disparaging)—the hero always wins, even when he doesn’t. It didn't hurt that VR was likable and a perfect partner in the game.
Joined May 2008
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Mick D
Seems you're adopting somewhat of a 'Blame the Messenger!' attitude.
Rot is rot and it ALWAYS deserves to be called out.
As far as I'm concerned, the squawking, flapping, occasionally crapping Jumkie Bird is free to perch on the highest PS branch and sing his song as loudly and persistently as he likes.
Sing Little Birdie, sing!
Seems you're adopting somewhat of a 'Blame the Messenger!' attitude.
Rot is rot and it ALWAYS deserves to be called out.
As far as I'm concerned, the squawking, flapping, occasionally crapping Jumkie Bird is free to perch on the highest PS branch and sing his song as loudly and persistently as he likes.
Sing Little Birdie, sing!
Jumkie
I said that the 2008 tire regulations (if new tire regulations were drafted during the 2007 emergency meetings) were definitely not to Stoner's liking. After 2008, the tires moved progressively in Stoner's favor as each successive tire was made harder than the last. Unfortunately, the harder tires did nothing to fix the Ducati's grip balance. Nonetheless, Stoner preferred the hard tires, and he used them effectively in 2011 at Honda.
My tire 'conspiracy' was not an actual conspiracy because it was not about corruption. The tires were changed for safety. My only gripe with Dorna and the tire manufacturers is that they intentionally ignored Stoner's plight. After the control tire, the sport is less competitive, which might be related to the specifics of the counter-intuitive Bridgestone control tire. Both the riders and the manufacturers appear to struggle with its design, and that's probably why it was altered for 2012, not as a pro-Rossi agenda.
Control tires and SNS Michelins cannot both be advantages for Rossi. As boppers pointed out in 2008, Rossi was only getting the same Bridgestones as everyone else. The problem was that Rossi appeared to use extortion to acquire Bridgestones. Ross's behavior should not be confused with the actual tires and the rules that spawned them.
I'm not rewriting history. The opportunity and the motivation to alter the competitive landscape were similar in 2004. The key people are the same as in 2004. Existence is not determined by the date of human discovery. I understand that the public are just now becoming aware of Dorna's behind-the-scenes meddling, but Dorna didn't begin seeking higher profits and enhanced competition in 2012.
I said that the 2008 tire regulations (if new tire regulations were drafted during the 2007 emergency meetings) were definitely not to Stoner's liking. After 2008, the tires moved progressively in Stoner's favor as each successive tire was made harder than the last. Unfortunately, the harder tires did nothing to fix the Ducati's grip balance. Nonetheless, Stoner preferred the hard tires, and he used them effectively in 2011 at Honda.
My tire 'conspiracy' was not an actual conspiracy because it was not about corruption. The tires were changed for safety. My only gripe with Dorna and the tire manufacturers is that they intentionally ignored Stoner's plight. After the control tire, the sport is less competitive, which might be related to the specifics of the counter-intuitive Bridgestone control tire. Both the riders and the manufacturers appear to struggle with its design, and that's probably why it was altered for 2012, not as a pro-Rossi agenda.
Control tires and SNS Michelins cannot both be advantages for Rossi. As boppers pointed out in 2008, Rossi was only getting the same Bridgestones as everyone else. The problem was that Rossi appeared to use extortion to acquire Bridgestones. Ross's behavior should not be confused with the actual tires and the rules that spawned them.
I'm not rewriting history. The opportunity and the motivation to alter the competitive landscape were similar in 2004. The key people are the same as in 2004. Existence is not determined by the date of human discovery. I understand that the public are just now becoming aware of Dorna's behind-the-scenes meddling, but Dorna didn't begin seeking higher profits and enhanced competition in 2012.
Joined Jul 2011
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Dont Know
Cuckoo my be a troll but he is a hard working one. As ridiculous as he sounds, the cuckoo is right about one thing. Stoner is not God, so he's not the perfect warrior that is so brave as to face death without fear. Im guessing this Cuckoo once thought Rossi was a God, and now just throws his frustration towards Stoner because he left before Rossi had a chance on the Yamaha to restore order. Fair enough, Cuckoo I wish Stoner had of stayed to kick Rossi's ... one last time. Also, for Stoner to truly make indisputable legend status I think he needs three world championships. A one year hiatus driving those heavy V8 slugs will wet his appetite to return to his beloved bikes. By then MM will have a year under his belt and be ready for the challenge, as well as the <strike>loser</strike> legend Lorenzo. So the script is written, the door is open, 2014 could be epic.
