Do you think the Duc with 'break' Rossi (psychologically)?

Jumkie said:

Because the gap from Dovi to Pedro to Stoner, and the gap from Spies to Lorenzo, and Nicky to Rossi is miles, right?

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Well, actually.... Dovi and Spies do quite consistently show that they are not as fast as their team mates, both in qualifying and in race finishing order. Now I don't want to take anything away from either one, but in the ultra competitive world of motogp racing, these differences do amount to miles, figuratively speaking.



The comparison between Nicky and Rossi is less direct, because with all the work going on at Ducati, they have rarely been on the same equipment all season I think. Nicky performed better the first half of last season than Rossi did for the first half of this years season (he also outperformed Stoner in the early part of 2010), but then again, that was his second year on the Duc. The Ducati is apparently very, very hard to set up properly. I think part of Hayden's relative success with the bike last year came from stopping the search for a good set-up and just riding the thing as hard and fast as he could. Somewhat like Abraham this year. But if I'm brutally honest, I think herein also lies the reason I believe that Nicky simply isn't as good as the likes of Stoner, Lorenzo, Pedrosa, and, much as it pains me to say, Rossi. Because I think Hayden simply does not have these guys capability of setting up a bike to perfect race trim. Because even if the rides the wheels of his bike, be it a Ducati or a Honda, in the current field, he is likely to finish 4th at best.

stiefel said:

Well, actually.... Dovi and Spies do quite consistently show that they are not as fast as their team mates...

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I hear you buddy. Dovi has consistently been on the podium and Spies not only is a race winner, but has beaten his teammate enough to show that Lorenzo is more experienced, but not untouchable. Simo was no where last year, this year he's out qualled the factory on a "factory spec" bike. But this "alien" moniker is ........ because it tries to make out these four top riders as untouchable, and they have been in the clutches of their teammates enough to show that they are good but not out of this world. Despite evidence to the contrary, I guess we like to hang on to our myths. Rossi and Nicky thing as you say if a bit different, in that we don't know when they are on the same ..... But as close as they have been, I think we can extrapulate that either "alien" status is ......... I've already said before, if there is an "alien" its Stoner. Everybody else is good, but not out of this world. And now I' laughing my ... off because suddenly we are blaming everything on Bstones. Some guys here remind me of the baseball commentators in the US (who love stats). They seem to know it all, and have a way to explain it post results. The gaps you speak of are not that uncharacteristic, look at other series, we regularly see big gaps develop when the race is not close, and GP seems to have the market cornered on "not close races". If we have four "aliens" then why don't all four cross the line within a second?

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digger said:

i got a better one.....

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Maybe the text on this should read "LUCK - When you have it, life is good"



Bet that he wouldn't try such a Super Sic move these days?



I personally would love to have seen Stoner pay him back in kind but I guess that's not how he races? I wonder what would have happened had he tried .... like that on Doohan, Rainey, Schwantz et al?

muzzy57 said:

Maybe the text on this should read "LUCK - When you have it, life is good" Bet that he wouldn't try such a Super Sic move these days? I personally would love to have seen Stoner pay him back in kind but I guess that's not how he races? I wonder what would have happened had he tried .... like that on Doohan, Rainey, Schwantz et al?

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yes, you nailed it! LUCK! without luck, no way rossi wins none of his 9 titles. no effing way! now how do we get some for stoner? 'cuz skill alone is obviously not bringing in the titles like it's supposed to, right? damn luck! LMFAO!!!

muzzy57 said:

Maybe the text on this should read "LUCK - When you have it, life is good"



Bet that he wouldn't try such a Super Sic move these days?



I personally would love to have seen Stoner pay him back in kind but I guess that's not how he races? I wonder what would have happened had he tried .... like that on Doohan, Rainey, Schwantz et al?

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If he tried that on doohan, rainey ect? They probably would have beat him up and stole his wallet. Is that what u wanted to hear?

Jumkie said:

Because the gap from Dovi to Pedro to Stoner, and the gap from Spies to Lorenzo, and Nicky to Rossi is miles, right?

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Dovi to Stoner is pretty significant, as is Lorenzo to Spies. For further reference look at Stoner and any other Ducati rider, or Aoyama's guest ride on the all mighty factory Honda, or even just Marco Simoncelli. It's everywhere.

Jumkie said:

Spies not only is a race winner, but has beaten his teammate enough to show that Lorenzo is more experienced, but not untouchable.

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He's beaten Jorge once, when Jorge got taken out. For the record i think Lorenzo would have been second that day, but it's hardly significant.



Alien status isn't about a greater ability or a significant speed advantage as far as i can tell, its about the riders who are always there basically on any track in any conditions over the course of an entire season, at the end of the day it tells in the points. Look at Stoner and Dovi or Lorenzo and Spies, they don't seem all that far appart in any single session but the points gap soon becomes huge because the Aliens can do it everyday and the others can only do it on a good day

THE_FREAKY said:

yes, you nailed it! LUCK! without luck, no way rossi wins none of his 9 titles. no effing way! now how do we get some for stoner? 'cuz skill alone is obviously not bringing in the titles like it's supposed to, right? damn luck! LMFAO!!!

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Who said anything about World Championships? I was referring to a few corners over the years where luck has definitely played it's part in Rossi's career... That luck changed a bit at Mugello last year...



And Digger, yes... I believe that all of those guys would have paid him back in kind... Either on the track or off it...