Do you think the Duc with 'break' Rossi (psychologically)?

I doubt it. I think the guy is too good to be psychologically ruined by what is clearly a flawed bike. He knows the problem isn't him. What I would be more worried about is the possibility of a career-ending injury on the thing.

No.

Won't break him at all but frustrate him more than anything else being a competitve rider - for he and all of us know with a good bike he would be up there fighting for podiums........

I wish so for it would be a fight amongst the 4 being CS Ped Lolli and JL.



Shupe - he won't get a career ending injury he's not pushing the "thing" beyond its limits

What about psychological state of Ducati??

It won't cause him mental illness but I think he has already given up. I don't care how bad the bike is Rossi is not a 16th place qualifier. He knows he can't ride it and he can't get his mind to let go and go past the limit. The bike can be physically ridden and won on, Stoner proved this so it can only be the mind that prevents others from doing it.



To be honest I don't blame him. He is not some young kid who is trying to prove himself and can come back from multiple big crashes. He is a seasoned performer who doesn't want to chuck himself down the road and spend time in a hospital bed. He wants to enjoy the fruits of the last 10+years in good health and good on him for it.

Break him it what sense? He has been getting increasingly less chirpy sinse 2007 really and it is obvious he isn't a youth anymore. Since moving to Ducati his motivation is obviously suffering because he knows every trick he has wont get the bike on the podium. He also knows that every trick Stoner had could get it on the top step. We have seen on more than one occasion this year that Rossi has been unwilling to push the bike far enough to extract any significant performance from it. But i have no doubt that if he got back on a Yamaha for a couple of races he would be straight back at the front where he belongs. He hasn't forgotten how to ride and he hasn't lost his competitive edge or his love of racing. If he had he would already have walked away

Not broken permanently, but occupying a state of silent despair and perhaps reflection.



At night he wonders how his ego persuaded him to move from the sorted Yamaha to the Dogati.

I'm more concerned about Burgess and Preziosi.It can't be easy being any of them right now.

michaelm said:

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Anders GUZZI said:

I'm more concerned about Burgess and Preziosi.It can't be easy being any of them right now.

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completely agree, Preziosi looked and sounded completely despondent at mugello, this is where the pressure is being felt. What is worse for them is that it appears they have tried everything with the current design to try to get it consistently stable with absolutely no result.



I think that Rossi is getting pissed having to front up to the media with the same old .... each weekend though, improved performance or not these Quotes could definately get more interesting.

What else is there to ask him Talpa?



On topic, no. He will blame the bike and he + all us know that he would be battling at the front with a good bike. But he will allways wonder how Casey did it to make the "thing" work.

It is too late to "break" the career of Valentino Rossi... He already had a more than full one. Or two... or three.

The fact that he's still willing to play and challenge the current, younger generation of champions is, in my view, worth of respect (and it says a lot about his psychological strength).

J4rn0 said:

It is too late to "break" the career of Valentino Rossi... He already had a more than full one. Or two... or three.

The fact that he's still willing to play and challenge the current, younger generation of champions is, in my view, worth of respect (and it says a lot about his psychological strength).

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same as this.

J4rn0 said:

It is too late to "break" the career of Valentino Rossi... He already had a more than full one. Or two... or three.

The fact that he's still willing to play and challenge the current, younger generation of champions is, in my view, worth of respect (and it says a lot about his psychological strength).

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That was not the question, that has been covered in the tainted legacy thread. But to answer the original question, no, if he was to jump on the Yamaha tomorrow, he would be a threat to win on Sunday. He is not broken, but he has quit.Some might call that broken, i call it accepting your fate. He can blame no one but himself for his current situation, so im not going to fell sorry for him. He made his bed.

Talpa said:

completely agree, Preziosi looked and sounded completely despondent at mugello, this is where the pressure is being felt. What is worse for them is that it appears they have tried everything with the current design to try to get it consistently stable with absolutely no result.



I think that Rossi is getting pissed having to front up to the media with the same old .... each weekend though, improved performance or not these Quotes could definately get more interesting.

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VR's got too many championships to let the Ducati break him mentally. For sure he's totally pissed consistently starting at the back or much too far from the front. He's been around long enough and won enough to know it's the bike and not his inability and different to CS he's not going to ride make or it break it. CS was dominant in 2007 and followed up with a lot of win or crash after that - to his great credit his skill and perseverance on the days the front end didn't slide out on him he was the only Duc rider so far to combine over the limit racing with winning in his fight to take more than the 2007 championship. ImO Rossi even though he's pissed and frustrated won't go over the limit in the hope that the front end doesn't slide out and I dare say that CS - now that he's gotten to enjoy the Honda being just as fast and in terms of predictability/ controllability in another world - would ride the Ducati differently if he ever sat on it again. JB's domestic misfortune can't be helping either - missing his leadership and experience in the box - has maybe just been (or probably not) coincidental with VR's 2 most miserable ever FP and QP performances. Bottom line - I'd say VR is highly professional and has not thrown in the towel, but if Duc doesn't come up with a winning bike soon - latest 2012, then next season will be VR's last.

320IDave said:

What else is there to ask him Talpa?



On topic, no. He will blame the bike and he + all us know that he would be battling at the front with a good bike. But he will allways wonder how Casey did it to make the "thing" work.

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All due credit to CS - when he made it work - it did work - especially in 2007, but on the days he didn't make it work he frequently crashed - I guess his knowledge of the bike's deficiencies was one the best kept secrets. He must have been truly pissed - good luck to him on the 2011 Honda.



Bet one of VR's thoughts last Sunday was - WTF didn't I go to Suzi

Several years ago, when he was winning titles in a row, Rossi was asked how he can find motivation to ride, after winning all that was to win.....now he certainly has something to work on and has a reason to be motivated more than never. He faces the biggst challenge of his carreer.

Mental Anarchist said:

It won't cause him mental illness but I think he has already given up. I don't care how bad the bike is Rossi is not a 16th place qualifier. He knows he can't ride it and he can't get his mind to let go and go past the limit. The bike can be physically ridden and won on, Stoner proved this so it can only be the mind that prevents others from doing it.



To be honest I don't blame him. He is not some young kid who is trying to prove himself and can come back from multiple big crashes. He is a seasoned performer who doesn't want to chuck himself down the road and spend time in a hospital bed. He wants to enjoy the fruits of the last 10+years in good health and good on him for it.

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Agree.That makes sense.

Yep, he's broke, and CS is the one who broke him in Valencia 2010!