Dani @ Laguna (Oost Not allowed)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Jul 8 2006, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Won't make a damn bit of difference racer, The exit there will actyally be a bit easier for a lighter rider.

What about actually going down it, skid?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jul 8 2006, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>What about actually going down it, skid?

Going down it will actualy be easier for Dani. Once you turn in there, as you change direction from left to right and the road falls away, the bike's suspension 'unloads' i.e. the bike's inertia makes it feel very very light, this helps that direction change. Once the turn starts to flatten out, the suspension 'loads up' again making the bike feel heavier and squatting the rear making getting good drive vs. set up the big issue, so Dani's weight might well be an advantage, personally I don't think it'll make a difference at all. I've never been to Laguna but I've read a few descriptions of it by guys like KR Snr and Keith Code. If you get the entry to it right it seems, you 'fall' into the right line. No pun intended, and no oompa loompas were harmed during the typing of this post.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Jul 8 2006, 07:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No pun intended, and no oompa loompas were harmed during the typing of this post.


The rooks should just take it easy through there...guys like Bayliss and Melandri with more experience got bit going through there last year.....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Jul 8 2006, 06:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Going down it will actualy be easier for Dani. Once you turn in there, as you change direction from left to right and the road falls away, the bike's suspension 'unloads' i.e. the bike's inertia makes it feel very very light, this helps that direction change. Once the turn starts to flatten out, the suspension 'loads up' again making the bike feel heavier and squatting the rear making getting good drive vs. set up the big issue, so Dani's weight might well be an advantage, personally I don't think it'll make a difference at all. I've never been to Laguna but I've read a few descriptions of it by guys like KR Snr and Keith Code. If you get the entry to it right it seems, you 'fall' into the right line. No pun intended, and no oompa loompas were harmed during the typing of this post.
You're pretty right on there Skid. From everything I've read from riders at Laguna and watching quite a few races there, if you can get into the entrance properly then you're golden. My favorite moment in Corkscrew history was WSB 2001 when in race one BB started from pole, got an awful start and dropped to sixth. He picked off a rider each lap at the Corkscrew and went underneath on the flick right each time. Get wide on the entrance and drop in underneath, it was brilliance.

And as far as the rest of this .... goes, I'm done.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ooost @ Jul 9 2006, 02:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>And as far as the rest of this .... goes, I'm done.

I don`t blame ya buddy.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Jul 8 2006, 10:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Going down it will actualy be easier for Dani. Once you turn in there, as you change direction from left to right and the road falls away, the bike's suspension 'unloads' i.e. the bike's inertia makes it feel very very light, this helps that direction change. Once the turn starts to flatten out, the suspension 'loads up' again making the bike feel heavier and squatting the rear making getting good drive vs. set up the big issue, so Dani's weight might well be an advantage, personally I don't think it'll make a difference at all. I've never been to Laguna but I've read a few descriptions of it by guys like KR Snr and Keith Code. If you get the entry to it right it seems, you 'fall' into the right line. No pun intended, and no oompa loompas were harmed during the typing of this post.

Well, never thought of that. But will experience come into it, too?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>And why the hell would you stop someone from posting their thoughts and opinions. Ooost has every single right to post his opinion with or without you allowing it. Who the hell do you think you are anyway?
If you can't follow such a simple rule of respecting other people's opinion, then I think you yourself should create a life for yourself......and for yourself only......not a single living things should be allowed in it!

No.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>AND who are you not to allow Ooost? mad.gif
DO you know what respect means?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>Respect

n 1: (usually preceded by `in') a detail or point; "it differs in that respect" [syn: regard] 2: the condition of being honored (esteemed or respected or well regarded); "it is held in esteem"; "a man who has earned high regard" [syn: esteem, regard] [ant: disesteem] 3: an attitude of admiration or esteem; "she lost all respect for him" [syn: esteem, regard] [ant: disrespect] 4: a courteous expression (by word or deed) of esteem or regard; "his deference to her wishes was very flattering"; "be sure to give my respects to the dean" [syn: deference] 5: behavior intended to please your parents; "their children were never very strong on obedience"; "he went to law school out of respect for his father's wishes" [syn: obedience] 6: a feeling of friendship and esteem; "she mistook his manly regard for love"; "he inspires respect" [syn: regard] 7: courteous regard for people's feelings; "in deference to your wishes"; "out of respect for his privacy" [syn: deference, respectfulness] v 1: regard highly; think much of; "I respect his judgement"; "We prize his creativity" [syn: esteem, value, prize, prise] [ant: disrespect] 2: show respect towards; "honor your parents!" [syn: honor, honour, abide by, observe] [ant: disrespect]

I do now.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>DO you know what respect means? And how do you get respect?
Respect means not go against or violate something, to pay due attention to and refrain from violating something and also means be considerate toward somebody or something, to show consideration or thoughtfulness in relation to somebody or something.
And did you know that you get respect if you respect others? Respect is earned...

So please go and read again the announcement of BEN.

I respect other peoples opinions, My first post was voiced as my opinion on Dani Pedrosa, and you guys took it the wrong way. Especially Ooost. Which is why I put Ooost is not allowed because he would only disagree with me, what the hell is the point then? I voiced my opinion, and you all took it as an insult to yourselves...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <div class='quotemain'>^ Its under review at present, so do not worry Richo.

So because the forum members took my comment the wrong way, i'm under review? Cause I disagreed with a memeber i'm under review? ......... So everyone has to agree with everyone on this forum? Ok then, I'm under review.. but other members have disrespected my opinions, Why aren't they "On review?"

Aston,

I'll try to get these all cleared. For your sake and for everyone who wants to get the forum back the way it was.

First of all you are not under review because of your opinion. You are under review because of "the way" you voiced your opinions. We, in this forum, love the exchange of opinions: we just do it respectfully.

Second, if you think we misunderstood you: you could have corrected us and defended yourself NICELY. It's possible you know. All of us here are willing to accept our mistakes if only we know we are truly wrong and only if it was done out of RESPECT and nothing else.

Am I coming across? Get the picture?

So, if everyone here would allow me, I'm sorry for misunderstanding you. BUT... I think you also have to apologize to Ooost, richo and everyone else here. They deserve it.

There. I really hope everything's settled now.

Peace out!

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (richo @ Jul 8 2006, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Laguna is a very different track though. I mean, Hayden went almost 3 years on the best factory team in the paddock without a win then they go to Laguna and all of a sudden Nicky`s at the top. And Edwards. When was the last time a teammate of Rossi`s beat him in a fair fight like that? Rossi was dominant last year, but at Laguna the best he could manage was 3rd, finishing behind his teammate, I`m not taking anything away from his effort there, on the contrary, a finish like that with little track time is great, but it just proves that track experience is vital at Laguna, and Dani has none. Combine that with these theories about Dani`s small weight now offering enough downforce through the corkscrew, he looks like he`s got two choices for it: Go slow or crash. Neither are ideal for podium finishes. Things aren`t looking good for the little guy in California.

I did say it was wishful thinking!! I completely agree that it is a track where experience is vital and the Americans certainly have that! But I can hope!!

As for Dani's weight, I admit I am no expert when it comes to technical stuff, but I thought that being a lightweight was an advantage in all areas of bike racing.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Aston @ Jul 9 2006, 04:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>No.
I do now.
I respect other peoples opinions, My first post was voiced as my opinion on Dani Pedrosa, and you guys took it the wrong way. Especially Ooost. Which is why I put Ooost is not allowed because he would only disagree with me, what the hell is the point then? I voiced my opinion, and you all took it as an insult to yourselves...
So because the forum members took my comment the wrong way, i'm under review? Cause I disagreed with a memeber i'm under review? ......... So everyone has to agree with everyone on this forum? Ok then, I'm under review.. but other members have disrespected my opinions, Why aren't they "On review?"

Well i agree with somedamnwriter.

I think that maybe we aren't the only ones that misunderstend your post, maybe you misjudged our post too. So how about a self review of the posts? I might misunderstend you - and i'm sorry for that but you did the same and you were disrespectfull to ooost and other members so ... i guess you have to make the next step...

The way of posting made be under review...

I'm glad you look in the dictionary...but did you really understend my previous post?
I didn't mean to be disrespectfull, i only tryed to say that you have to think about the way you react: If we misunderstood you why didn't you defended/responded in a respectfull/proper way?

Well how would you like the next topics created to have this caption: "Aston not allowed!" ?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Jul 8 2006, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Going down it will actualy be easier for Dani. Once you turn in there, as you change direction from left to right and the road falls away, the bike's suspension 'unloads' i.e. the bike's inertia makes it feel very very light, this helps that direction change. Once the turn starts to flatten out, the suspension 'loads up' again making the bike feel heavier and squatting the rear making getting good drive vs. set up the big issue, so Dani's weight might well be an advantage, personally I don't think it'll make a difference at all. I've never been to Laguna but I've read a few descriptions of it by guys like KR Snr and Keith Code. If you get the entry to it right it seems, you 'fall' into the right line. No pun intended, and no oompa loompas were harmed during the typing of this post.


Hey Skidmark, You seem to be a expert on the corksrew! Funny since you aint ever been there.
Funny as well that your getting your info from Kenny Roberts Snr, i mean has that man ever ridden bike with a mono shock around that course ?
Good rider but i put him and carl fogarty in the same club, they just cant let go!
I still think dani and maybe a phew others are gonna have some biggys around laguna, and esp the corksrew.
One thing is for sure i think the forum including management should give Aston a break. I think hes one of the best in here !

By my definition, someone who manages to piss of half the forum within his first eight posts is not one of the best. But I understand why his RL friends would defend him

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (skidmark @ Jul 8 2006, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Wierd vibe in this thread

indeed skidmark.. dunno whats going on recently but its getting strange

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IsraeliRacer @ Jul 9 2006, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>By my definition, someone who manages to piss of half the forum within his first eight posts is not one of the best.

spot on.

^ I'll second to that.

Best or not, it doesn't give anyone the right to trash talk anyone.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IsraeliRacer @ Jul 9 2006, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>By my definition, someone who manages to piss of half the forum within his first eight posts is not one of the best. But I understand why his RL friends would defend him

+1

I agree..spot on

Okay I will do this publicly for all to see and before you respond, my intentions is not to humiliate you in any way so please do not take this in the wrong way.

Aston I understand where you are coming from, and of course everyone is entitled to their opinions. And yours was taken in the wrong context.

Let me explain so you and everyone else understands more of how this forum is run.

We had a similar issue not so long ago, and everyone was in agreement that although there are sportsman on 2 & 4 wheels for that matter we either love or hate. It is not the done thing to voice openly here to wish someone to crash and die under any circumstances, its not only disrespectful to that rider or racer, it is also quite a horrific thought to think like that in the first place.


So Im guessing that everyone is still riled up from that last post and when you came on here and made your post, everyone Jumped on your back.

Now Im not siding with anyone here in this matter, whats done is done, all myself and my collegues, and fellow members are concerned with is the smooth day to day running on this forum and of course FUN and FRIENDLY banter within it. I am the first to admit that its sometimes a difficult Job being a staff member dealing with the day to day issues of the site. I do this for love of the sport and someone needs to do it, I also agree sometimes that it is also a thankless Job. Ben on the other hand slogs his guts out and is the very creator of motoGPforum.com, so please everyone spare a thought for him because one day he may get fed up with it all and close down.

Im not speaking on his behalf but ive witnessed this with other Admins on other forums in the past.

We like peace and good discussions, and yes debate is always good, but this is not a place for Trolls or the Rossi fan club members who like to flame others so all please take note!!


Here is the suggestion.

Everyone concerned in this latest bicker to wipe the slate clean and start again. Aston I am sure things can be turned around and forgotten, as we have a very good member base here and Im positive once this issue has passed, people will forget and warm to you as a person as Im sure you may also add many good contributions to the site.

If thats not what you are looking for my friend and indeed anyone else here take note. Then we are sorry if this is not the site for you and if you or any other member wishes to have his or her account deleted then please PM either myself Ben or Ooost in confidence and we will happily action this for you.

Likewise if a member pushes to many negative buttons here, then ulimately their account will be deleted and a ban imposed.

I hope this will not fall on deaf ears, and look forward to witnessing and feeling the positive vibes again @ motoGPfoum.com.


RESPECT ALL.

applauds
Well said Dazza.

Well put Dazza,totally agree with you .Giving you the benefit of the doubt,Aston-dont beleive you mean harm to any riders.Clean slates all round then,yes?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (IsraeliRacer @ Jul 9 2006, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>applauds
Well said Dazza.

i'll second that too.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Best Man @ Jul 7 2006, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>my opinion:

how many people think you chat ....?
One. You.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mystikal @ Jul 9 2006, 06:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>One. You.

i guess you just havent read what has been put above then eh? people are agreeing to leave it where it is then you have to go do that? why??