Tyres, electronics, bigger cc, traction control....it's all here
http://www.cycleworld.com/article.asp?sect...;article_id=859
http://www.cycleworld.com/article.asp?sect...;article_id=859
Cycle World's interview with Valentino Rossi
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In my mind, this interview verifies my conspiracy.
We all saw Stoner ride the evolution of the 2007 tire, and we all saw him blow the field away. Shortly afterward he complained of a bogus feel from the tires and he revealed that Ducati had been messing substantially with the electronics.
In this article Vale speaks of the elimination of edge grip. I can only conclude that a majority of the races after Qatar but prior to Catalunya were used for testing such a tire---a Michelin style tire. I can only conclude that a good deal of Ducati's inexplicable struggles and inability to obtain equipment from Bridgestone was related to a control tire proceedings.
Obviously, edge grip is what the Ducati needs to get around the bends quickly, if the beginning of this season is any indication of the troubles facing Ducati in the event of a control tire, Nicky may be in more peril than I realize.
This announcements at the end of this season are going to be fascinating. I suspect there will be a big shake up in the status quo heading into next season. Honda will benefit.
We all saw Stoner ride the evolution of the 2007 tire, and we all saw him blow the field away. Shortly afterward he complained of a bogus feel from the tires and he revealed that Ducati had been messing substantially with the electronics.
In this article Vale speaks of the elimination of edge grip. I can only conclude that a majority of the races after Qatar but prior to Catalunya were used for testing such a tire---a Michelin style tire. I can only conclude that a good deal of Ducati's inexplicable struggles and inability to obtain equipment from Bridgestone was related to a control tire proceedings.
Obviously, edge grip is what the Ducati needs to get around the bends quickly, if the beginning of this season is any indication of the troubles facing Ducati in the event of a control tire, Nicky may be in more peril than I realize.
This announcements at the end of this season are going to be fascinating. I suspect there will be a big shake up in the status quo heading into next season. Honda will benefit.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 26 2008, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>In my mind, this interview verifies my conspiracy.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 26 2008, 04:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I can only conclude that a majority of the races after Qatar but prior to Catalunya were used for testing such a tire---a Michelin style tire. I can only conclude that a good deal of Ducati's inexplicable struggles and inability to obtain equipment from Bridgestone was related to a control tire proceedings.
The problem is you are only willing to draw conclusions that perfectly fit your pre-existing theory. Its not an uncommon way to go about things, but I can't get on board with such a narrow outlook, its just not science
The problem is you are only willing to draw conclusions that perfectly fit your pre-existing theory. Its not an uncommon way to go about things, but I can't get on board with such a narrow outlook, its just not science
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Aug 26 2008, 09:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>The problem is you are only willing to draw conclusions that perfectly fit your pre-existing theory. Its not an uncommon way to go about things, but I can't get on board with such a narrow outlook, its just not science
Why do you think it's my job to get you on board? If anything, my job is to make sure you don't get on board, that way if an announcement is ever made or if a reliable leak ever comes out, I get to gloat. Then I can use historical success to rant against anyone in GP I don't like.
No one subscribes to my theory 100%, least of all me,
BUT
thankfully, people realize that after multiple emergency closed-door meetings, it is less likely that the sport is being run the same way. As I've stated before, it is not crazy to assume that the sport had a huge crisis then solved problems within the privacy of the meetings---such an assertion has historical foundation.
It is crazy to assume they held emergency tire meetings to address the defunct state of operations, and afterwards all parties emerged happy by resolving to do nothing.
Why do you think it's my job to get you on board? If anything, my job is to make sure you don't get on board, that way if an announcement is ever made or if a reliable leak ever comes out, I get to gloat. Then I can use historical success to rant against anyone in GP I don't like.
No one subscribes to my theory 100%, least of all me,
BUT
thankfully, people realize that after multiple emergency closed-door meetings, it is less likely that the sport is being run the same way. As I've stated before, it is not crazy to assume that the sport had a huge crisis then solved problems within the privacy of the meetings---such an assertion has historical foundation.
It is crazy to assume they held emergency tire meetings to address the defunct state of operations, and afterwards all parties emerged happy by resolving to do nothing.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 26 2008, 06:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why do you think it's my job to get you on board? If anything, my job is to make sure you don't get on board, that way if an announcement is ever made or if a reliable leak ever comes out, I get to gloat. Then I can use historical success to rant against anyone in GP I don't like.
No one subscribes to my theory 100%, least of all me,
BUT
thankfully, people realize that after multiple emergency closed-door meetings, it is less likely that the sport is being run the same way. As I've stated before, it is not crazy to assume that the sport had a huge crisis then solved problems within the privacy of the meetings---such an assertion has historical foundation.
It is crazy to assume they held emergency tire meetings to address the defunct state of operations, and afterwards all parties emerged happy by resolving to do nothing.
Bottom line: It's a business and is ran like one. I have yet to ever see a company not hold emergency meetings with sometimes drastic solutions to stop the bleeding.
No one subscribes to my theory 100%, least of all me,
BUT
thankfully, people realize that after multiple emergency closed-door meetings, it is less likely that the sport is being run the same way. As I've stated before, it is not crazy to assume that the sport had a huge crisis then solved problems within the privacy of the meetings---such an assertion has historical foundation.
It is crazy to assume they held emergency tire meetings to address the defunct state of operations, and afterwards all parties emerged happy by resolving to do nothing.
Bottom line: It's a business and is ran like one. I have yet to ever see a company not hold emergency meetings with sometimes drastic solutions to stop the bleeding.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mylexicon @ Aug 26 2008, 04:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Obviously, edge grip is what the Ducati needs to get around the bends quickly.
This was key to Rossi and yamaha, knowing how the Bridgestone works was the only way to figure out how to compete with Stoner.
This was key to Rossi and yamaha, knowing how the Bridgestone works was the only way to figure out how to compete with Stoner.
good link!
2 very interesting things I picked up from that interview.
1. One of the main issues with safety has been because of corner speeds due to tire development being so good. One of the arguments against having a single tire rule is there won't be as much tire development. Seems to me that a lack of development by having a single tire rule could eliminate or help the safety issue. Plus they could never impose restrictions on how good the tire was with 2 manufacturers because it's their job to be better than the other.
2. I was very interested to hear about how the introduction of TC has effectively changed the way you need to ride the bike out the corner i.e. without, lack of traction slowed acceleration so you needed to pick the bike up as quickly as possibleto get on to the fat part of the tire but now because you have no traction issues it's wheelying that can slow acceleration so you actually accelerate faster leant over because it reduces wheelies due to the centre of gravity being lower
2 very interesting things I picked up from that interview.
1. One of the main issues with safety has been because of corner speeds due to tire development being so good. One of the arguments against having a single tire rule is there won't be as much tire development. Seems to me that a lack of development by having a single tire rule could eliminate or help the safety issue. Plus they could never impose restrictions on how good the tire was with 2 manufacturers because it's their job to be better than the other.
2. I was very interested to hear about how the introduction of TC has effectively changed the way you need to ride the bike out the corner i.e. without, lack of traction slowed acceleration so you needed to pick the bike up as quickly as possibleto get on to the fat part of the tire but now because you have no traction issues it's wheelying that can slow acceleration so you actually accelerate faster leant over because it reduces wheelies due to the centre of gravity being lower
