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rezonator636
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I don't see Pedrosa roughing up Marquez, but I can see Lorenzo doing it, especially if (or when) things get desperate. JLo seemed to have no issues with banging fairings last year at Valencia when he thought he might have a chance at a world title.


The difference between roughing up Pedro and roughing up Marc, Pedro will take it and sulk, Marquez will pay you back in spades, then grin and tell you how much fun it was. When someone has so much bike control, they seem out of control, you give them a wide berth. Who wants a win more than Rossi?. At Qatar, with a win in sight, Rossi would have punted Pedrosa to the moon, but not Marquez. Why, simple, he respected the fact that Marquez has superior  bike control and the balls to use it. You tend not pick a fight with a guy who has the tools to  whip your ass.
 
But pov, there is no point in roughing up Marky, its all a fix and he is a cheating ......., and Dorna will only fix the rules in Marky's favour if Jorge gets close, seriously its true, jumkie said so, you remember, he was only quick in moto2 cos he had a cheater bike.
 
the fix is working, another pole for MM by 3/4 of a sec from JL who looked very happy to be 2nd for first time i remember in a while
 
Back to IDs. You guys obviously travel in circles that do not include the disenfranchised. Enjoy your false democracy which does not include ALL citizens.
 
Mick D
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Back to IDs. You guys obviously travel in circles that do not include the disenfranchised. Enjoy your false democracy which does not include ALL citizens.


Again: why are citizens in the wealthiest nation on earth finding it difficult to obtain identification?
 
rezonator636
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The only way they all would have a fighting chance to win is if every rider was on the exact same machine with the exact same tires, and each bike was tuned by the same mechanics. However, MotoGP is a constructor's championship as much as it is a rider's championship, and as such the playing field will never be truly level. 


 


This inequality exists in all sports, not just MotoGP. There have been plenty of great players in the NBA, for example, who never won a world championship because they didn't have the right team around them. The best players in the world, however, tend to get to a position where they can win championships. The same can be said of riders in MotoGP. 


 


Even if MotoGP was to become a spec series tomorrow, there probably wouldn't be all that much change. The middle of the grid would be closer to each other, sure, but at the top of the order the likes of Marquez and Lorenzo would still be pulling away. Tech can be equally distributed, but talent can't, and some riders just have more of it than others. 


 


 


Allow me to quote myself as my premise: Because my position is: they should ALL have a <u>fighting chance</u> for a win, period.


 


Friend, I was responding to J4rno who was discussing the situation with the inconsistent tire performance which had an effect on the results.  My point being, even if they all had great performing tires (after all, they get the spec tires allotted) they'd still be subject to the disparity of the machines.  It seems trivial to me to point an inconsistency in tires (when they all have the same specs to choose from accordingly) while the larger issue is the built in disparity surrounding whatever tires used. The reality of the parity is not in question here, it exist, the point was of mere discussion regarding what plays the significant role in results (finishing order, one we have come to 'expect' the question is why...).  Now contrast this with the likes of Povo's premise which is affirmation of disparity to be built into the system by any means (power lobbying, collusion, financial leveraging, etc.)  Its curious, but Pov sides with the tactics of executives who find creative ways to subjugate the line workers as his life's perspective.  Great if he were an executive, but he's a line worker.  Its the same why he believes unions are the devil's work (curious indeed).  This is the man's starting point, and those of his ilk.  You are not providing any insight by pointing out that disparity exists except to the people who don't believe it exist or worse, don't understand its impact (as do several members here).  The question is, do riders have a fighting chance?  That doesn't mean they all need to be on equal machinery, nor should you interprets it as such.  Lets take your analogy in reverse, put Marquez on Broc Parks bike.  How many races would he have a fighting chance at a win?  We are talking about several tiers of machines built into the system.  Sure you are correct in stating the obvious that there is s spectrum of talent, but the way the disparity is stacked in the field today, the assumptions are easily made devoid coupling the finishing order with the disparity of machine.  The best I can describe it is this way, its not a foot race, though it seems most people talk about the finishing order as if it is.  If we insist on giving all the acolades based on finishing order, lets at least talk about some were running with lead boots and various handicaps and advantages.


 
rezonator636
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I'm afraid that isn't true. When I was 18, I tried joining the military, but being an immigrant (and still going through the long and laborious green card process), I couldn't "produce paper" as you term it. Even when the Iraq war was at its worst and the Army was desperate for bodies, I was still denied entry. I finally got in eight years later, when the process was done.


 


BTW, I may be a war vet, but I'm also a registered Democrat in one of the most liberal states in the US (New York). I'm all for maximizing voting, but I still see the value of having to produce ID in order to vote, especially in local elections where only the residents of the state have the right to vote on their representatives. Every legal resident of the US is required to have some kind of identification. Is it so hard to make sure you have that ID in your pocket before you leave for the voting booth?


 


<span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;One more thought on this whole ID thing: I really don't get why some say an ID is difficult to obtain. It's not as if you have to run a marathon or negotiate an obstacle course to get one. In most cases, it simply means going to the DMV (or another government institution, as appropriate) and waiting in line. Anyone who finds this too difficult isn't destined to accomplish much in life.


 


Well good sir, my 2 cents.


 


Simple, because its a form of voter suppression buddy.  Are you familiar with Jim Crow laws?  At one time there was a literacy test to vote.  Sound like a great idea?  Of course right? I mean, if you can't read, you won't be "destined to accomplish much in life."  Thing is that all these ploys and tactics have little to nothing to do with "fraud" (look it up, you will see its an insignificant issue UNLIKE say election stealing: see 2000 presidential election; Florida).  Getting an ID may seem easy enough, like say getting an education "in the richest nation" as you say.  But its still a form of voter suppression.  Are you familiar with a "think tank"?  These are political operatives who literally sit around and "think" of ways they can gain political elections by any means possible.  They may sell you on it as combating "voter fraud" ( where none really exist).  .... if you want to talk rigging elections, you should see how these "think tanks" gerrymander the game.  I don't know how old you are, but do you remember when a rash of advertisements suddenly came out offering you "free checking" accounts?  Well, that was produced by a "think tank".  You see, through "thinking" about it, they figured out they could get more costumers by offering "free" accounts, but subtly they increased fees and fines.  The account holders were screwed.  But Pov would say, well they didn't have to get an account.  Not recognizing that this is a ploy by executives who employ sophisticated means to screw people.  Its not different with the creations of "think tanks" who propose certain requirements that on the surface seem benign.  


 
Again: why are citizens in the wealthiest nation on earth finding it difficult to obtain identification?


 


Yeah, what's the problem with getting a photo ID?  Easy right?  Just like a literacy test.  Whats the big deal? Lets require people pass a minimum reading test, I know how to read.  Everyboby should know how to read, right? I can come up with 10 other things voters should be "required to have" seemingly more important than an ID.  But like the tires argument, lets put the cart before the horse, shall we. First of all, its not a significant voter fraud problem, so you are solving nothing with requiring IDs.  Second, you are being naive if you think this is not purposefully devised to suppress votes.  Check out how voter eligibility has changed throughout American history.  Pov won't see it, but perhaps you will pick up on a pattern, of attempts to restrict the vote.  Its not a coincidence my friend.
 
Jumkie
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Allow me to quote myself as my premise: Because my position is: they should ALL have a <u>fighting chance</u> for a win, period.


 


Friend, I was responding to J4rno who was discussing the situation with the inconsistent tire performance which had an effect on the results.  My point being, even if they all had great performing tires (after all, they get the spec tires allotted) they'd still be subject to the disparity of the machines.  It seems trivial to me to point an inconsistency in tires (when they all have the same specs to choose from accordingly) while the larger issue is the built in disparity surrounding whatever tires used. The reality of the parity is not in question here, it exist, the point was of mere discussion regarding what plays the significant role in results (finishing order, one we have come to 'expect' the question is why...).  Now contrast this with the likes of Povo's premise which is affirmation of disparity to be built into the system by any means (power lobbying, collusion, financial leveraging, etc.)  Its curious, but Pov sides with the tactics of executives who find creative ways to subjugate the line workers as his life's perspective.  Great if he were an executive, but he's a line worker.  Its the same why he believes unions are the devil's work (curious indeed).  This is the man's starting point, and those of his ilk.  You are not providing any insight by pointing out that disparity exists except to the people who don't believe it exist or worse, don't understand its impact (as do several members here).  The question is, do riders have a fighting chance?  That doesn't mean they all need to be on equal machinery, nor should you interprets it as such.  Lets take your analogy in reverse, put Marquez on Broc Parks bike.  How many races would he have a fighting chance at a win?  We are talking about several tiers of machines built into the system.  Sure you are correct in stating the obvious that there is s spectrum of talent, but the way the disparity is stacked in the field today, the assumptions are easily made devoid coupling the finishing order with the disparity of machine.  The best I can describe it is this way, its not a foot race, though it seems most people talk about the finishing order as if it is.  If we insist on giving all the acolades based on finishing order, lets at least talk about some were running with lead boots and various handicaps and advantages.


 


 


Well good sir, my 2 cents.


 


Simple, because its a form of voter suppression buddy.  Are you familiar with Jim Crow laws?  At one time there was a literacy test to vote.  Sound like a great idea?  Of course right? I mean, if you can't read, you won't be "destined to accomplish much in life."  Thing is that all these ploys and tactics have little to nothing to do with "fraud" (look it up, you will see its an insignificant issue UNLIKE say election stealing: see 2000 presidential election; Florida).  Getting an ID may seem easy enough, like say getting an education "in the richest nation" as you say.  But its still a form of voter suppression.  Are you familiar with a "think tank"?  These are political operatives who literally sit around and "think" of ways they can gain political elections by any means possible.  They may sell you on it as combating "voter fraud" ( where none really exist).  .... if you want to talk rigging elections, you should see how these "think tanks" gerrymander the game.  I don't know how old you are, but do you remember when a rash of advertisements suddenly came out offering you "free checking" accounts?  Well, that was produced by a "think tank".  You see, through "thinking" about it, they figured out they could get more costumers by offering "free" accounts, but subtly they increased fees and fines.  The account holders were screwed.  But Pov would say, well they didn't have to get an account.  Not recognizing that this is a ploy by executives who employ sophisticated means to screw people.  Its not different with the creations of "think tanks" who propose certain requirements that on the surface seem benign.  


 


 


Yeah, what's the problem with getting a photo ID?  Easy right?  Just like a literacy test.  Whats the big deal? Lets require people pass a minimum reading test, I know how to read.  Everyboby should know how to read, right? I can come up with 10 other things voters should be "required to have" seemingly more important than an ID.  But like the tires argument, lets put the cart before the horse, shall we. First of all, its not a significant voter fraud problem, so you are solving nothing with requiring IDs.  Second, you are being naive if you think this is not purposefully devised to suppress votes.  Check out how voter eligibility has changed throughout American history.  Pov won't see it, but perhaps you will pick up on a pattern, of attempts to restrict the vote.  Its not a coincidence my friend.


 


Allow me to tackle your comments, section by section. 


 


1) There is a huge disparity between machines. That's the way it's always been, and always will be, as long as no other manufacturer is willing to spend the kind of money on racing that Honda does. The multi-tier system we have in place, with factory, factory 2 (or whatever), and open class is Dorna's way of filling up the grid and trying to at least somewhat equalize performance between the machines, but as we saw yesterday, these efforts have been proven useless. HRC has the two best bikes on the grid by far, and there's nothing anyone else can do about it, especially given that Honda writes the rulebook and that Yamaha, for whatever reason, complies with their wishes. 


 


As for Marc on Broc Parkes' bike-no, he wouldn't win, the same way Fernando Alonso wasn't going to win anything driving for Minardi ('scuse the old F1 reference). Just like Alonso and Minardi, however, MM would have shown flashes of being an alien, which hopefully would have gotten him noticed by a higher-level manufacturer and allowed him to climb up the ladder. That's the system in place today; you have to prove your worth in either a lower formula or a lower-tier team, and hopefully get a chance at a better bike. It's a far from perfect system, but the best riders still do wind up on the best bikes. 


 


2) Yes, I am aware of Jim Crow laws, grandfather laws, and all kinds of ploys to restrict voting. Having an ID isn't one of them. Let me give you an example: should I, as an illegal alien, be allowed to vote? Because at one point, that's exactly what I was. I'm white, was educated in the US, and speak and write English better than most native-born citizens, but when I was eighteen years old I was facing deportation due to my lack of legal status (I won't get into why, it's a long story). Should I have been allowed to walk into a voting booth and cast a vote, despite the fact that I wasn't a citizen? And without an ID check, how would anyone have known of my lack of eligibility? 


 


3) I'm not naive. As I said, I'm well aware of attempts to restrict voting, especially in the South, but I won't absolve the citizens of this country from their responsibility (and requirement) to have some kind of ID. Again, I bring up local and state elections. I shouldn't be able to drive to Georgia and cast a vote for one of their senators in an election. That's a right reserved for the residents of that state only. I believe Pov pointed out earlier that without some kind of residency check, a shrewd politician could rally a few hundred (or even thousand) of his supporters into a certain district and essentially stuff the ballot in his favor. There has to be a way for election officials to verify that you are who you say you are. 


 


Again: obtaining legal ID is neither difficult nor expensive. I'm against voter restriction, but I'm also against voter fraud. An ID is a reasonable measure against fraud. As someone who spent his childhood in a Communist country that was truly poor, I can tell you this: if you can't muster the fortitude to get an ID card in the US, then it's unlikely you can summon the will to be successful at anything. 
 
All of that, and he still hasnt said what is so difficult about getting an ID. Why?, because it isnt. Suppressing illegal voters is not voter suppression. Its just common sense that illegals dont want you to know they are illegal, so they will stay in the shadows. Requiring them to get an ID puts them in the system they are so desperately trying to avoid.
 
Prof Pov. the fraud you speak of is not happening as you imagine, its insignificant.  You are attempting to solve a problem that only exist in scale of the hypothetical---worse (and not surprisingly), mainly because a think tank came up with the idea and sold you on it.  Perhaps they should have Southerners pass a basic logic test.  One that surely you and your ilk would fail spectacularly.


 


Rez, there is no requirement to have an ID in this country.  You say you're against voter "fraud"?  As in rigging the outcomes? Sir, its a concept I've argued to no avail with Prof Pov, even in simple terms as arbitrary GP rules that favor one manufacture: ie the current parity in MotoGP.  That is "rigging"!  Its no different in politics.  Its just done more nuanced and with the collusion of the official powers.  You are worried about single cases of "voter fraud" and hypotheticals while gerrymandering and voter suppression (subtle but effective) rig at a larger scale the outcomes.  Look up the number of cases of voter fraud through the means you and Prof. Pov are so worried about.  Then compare this to the effects of voter suppression.  Do you think an ID cannot be faked?  What makes you think that an ID guarantees no voter fraud?--as if single voter fraud is even an issue.  Look up the vulnerability of voting machines.  Especially Diebold voter machines.  You want to attempt to avoid a problem that is not really happening while elections get stolen at mass scale by other means.
 
Again, as a registered Democrat, I watched in horror as hanging chads decided the election in 2000, the results of which led us into a pointless war in Iraq (a war in which I fought, by the way). So yes, I am aware of election shenanigans. Things like gerrymandering and voter suppression (which has happened, I completely agree) are wrong.


 


But that doesn't make IDs hard to get! That's what I don't understand about this debate. Jum, you're right, you're not required by law to have ID. But you're required to have one in order to do anything meaningful, whether it's to drive a car, apply for a job, travel outside the country-anything of any import requires some kind of identification. Schools issue IDs. ID is required for government assistance. If you pass out in the street, having an ID may save your life.


 


Back to the voting issue: you should be able to produce ID in order to vote. It's proof that you are a resident of the state, important if you are voting in state elections. It's proof that you're a resident of the country, if you're voting for the president. This isn't asking a dust bowl sharecropper to read Lord Byron. It's asking a functionally literate (well, hopefully) individual (in 2014 USA) to make a minimum effort and obtain a document which they need in order to do anything even remotely useful with their lives.
 
rezonator636
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Again, as a registered Democrat, I watched in horror as hanging chads decided the election in 2000, the results of which led us into a pointless war in Iraq (a war in which I fought, by the way). So yes, I am aware of election shenanigans. Things like gerrymandering and voter suppression (which has happened, I completely agree) are wrong.

 

But that doesn't make IDs hard to get! That's what I don't understand about this debate. Jum, you're right, you're not required by law to have ID. But you're required to have one in order to do anything meaningful, whether it's to drive a car, apply for a job, travel outside the country-anything of any import requires some kind of identification. Schools issue IDs. ID is required for government assistance. If you pass out in the street, having an ID may save your life.

 

Back to the voting issue: you should be able to produce ID in order to vote. It's proof that you are a resident of the state, important if you are voting in state elections. It's proof that you're a resident of the country, if you're voting for the president. This isn't asking a dust bowl sharecropper to read Lord Byron. It's asking a functionally literate (well, hopefully) individual (in 2014 USA) to make a minimum effort and obtain a document which they need in order to do anything even remotely useful with their lives.


It wasn't just hanging chads that lost the election in Florida. If Jeb "Gestapo" Bush was not the governor of the state, his brother never would have been president. They disenfranchised thousands of African American voters that showed up to vote And were turned away Because they were mislabeled as felons. Much like they do today with the no-fly list if you possess a very common name that is on the list then you will be pulled aside every time you fly. It doesn't matter that your middle name is different, they only go by the first and the last name. Take for example you have a very common name like Brian Wilson. Well in Florida good old Brian Wilson's, all across the state showed up to vote but were turned away because of the one Brian Wilson that was a felon. Florida Also made sure that convicted felons lose their right to vote because everyone knows the africans have a high percentage of felons and they like to vote democratic.

I'm sure our resident professor will say that that They got what they deserved and I don't necessarily disagree but not every state has laws where a felon cannot vote. So if you sell weed on the florida side of the border you will lose your voting privileges forever. If you sell weed 5 feet away, but just across the border to Georgia then you can have your rights restored. It makes no sense, especially in a national election
 
If it is so important to be able to vote is the flip side important as well?  Meaning if an ineligible person votes, that may cancel out my vote.  Would it be out of line to be concerned about this? Voter fraud may not be significant but it's hard to tell because of the intense pressure not to investigate it.  
 
steeeeeve
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If it is so important to be able to vote is the flip side important as well?  Meaning if an ineligible person votes, that may cancel out my vote.  Would it be out of line to be concerned about this? Voter fraud may not be significant but it's hard to tell because of the intense pressure not to investigate it.  



Hi Steeeeeve, good to read your takes buddy. Uhm, I know having an ID sounds intuitive, as Rez said, its needed for so many things. Most of those things however are not Constitutionally guaranteed rights, consider the implications. But are/ is your (and Rez) intention in favoring requiring IDs to avoid voter fraud, and do you believe these proposals are conceived/designed to avoid said fraud? (Please answer this one question). If so, why not install fingerprint scanning machines as well, given photo IDs are so easily counterfeited. The technology is readily available, inexpensive, and iron clad identification (in fact I had my finger print run today at the DMV for a drivers lic., took 3 secs to scan my finger, after waiting in line for 2 hours). How about retina scans at voter booths, to really make sure no voter impersonation is happening? (Btw, while you're at it, try convincing gun rights proponents, virtually the same people who favor voter IDs, to increase documentations and safeguards for gun ownership beyond what is required now, to forgo gun fraud related concerns and all. I mean because when gun fraud happens its not a vote nullified, it usually involves a dead person. I bet they'll come screaming about Constitutionally guaranteed rights. [full disclosure: I own guns and for increased gun restrictions]) Now lets take a look at the scale of the problem that seems to be driving the impetus for this ID requirement proposal. Its to avoid voter fraud, right? Between 2000-2010, there were roughly 650,000,000 (650 million) votes cast. And in that time there have been 17 or so cases of voter impersonation. The numbers dont lie. So why not install fingerprint scanning machines at every voting station, just to be sure, that is to solve this problem. 


Regarding voter impersonation investigations, quite the contrary, as the Republican party would love nothing more than to find rampant voter impersonation fraud to fuel the case for IDs (and as u know, would spare no expense to find it). Do you find it interesting voter ID proposals always crop up in Republican states, swing states, and those proposed most always funded (often in secret) and sought by Republicans? Coincidence perhaps.  Well consider this then, Don Yelton, former Republican executive committee member, in a stunning moment of candid admission said in an interview, voter ID laws are NOT about fraud, but rather suppression the Democratic vote, in his words saying the law's designs were to "kick the Democrats in the butt."


So I ask u guys in favor of IDs to vote, is your intention to thwart fraud? If so, does proposing an ID solve this 17 cases out of 650 million votes cast "problem"?


 


Friend, you want to rid fraud?  Why worry yourself with 17 cases out of 650 million, which had zeeero effect on elections?  Why not ask, "Hey, where is my MISSING $9,000,000,000,000? (9 TRILLION DOLLARS!)


 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QK4bblyfsc
 
I'm perfectly fine with the idea of fingerprint and/or retinal scanners in voting areas. By the same token, I'm also for increased gun control measures. Gun control has become a whole other kind of issue now, however, especially given that these fancy new 3-d printers can print functioning guns.
 
povol
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All of that, and he still hasnt said what is so difficult about getting an ID. Why?, because it isnt. Suppressing illegal voters is not voter suppression. Its just common sense that illegals dont want you to know they are illegal, so they will stay in the shadows. Requiring them to get an ID puts them in the system they are so desperately trying to avoid.


So you are saying illegals are voting?

Unless someone finds a way to put voting booths in Home Depot and give out free churros for each vote, thats not going to happen.

Most first-generation immigrants are more concerned with whats happening in their home country then here. Two or three generations down the line their legal offspring may vote, but they certainly arent now
 
JohnnyKnockdown
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So you are saying illegals are voting?

Unless someone finds a way to put voting booths in Home Depot and give out free churros for each vote, thats not going to happen.

Most first-generation immigrants are more concerned with whats happening in their home country then here. Two or three generations down the line their legal offspring may vote, but they certainly arent now


You ......., we are two and three generations down the line and yes they are voting, along with dead people and legal voters who vote in 2=3 different states 
 
Just want to point out that all illegals aren't necessarily Mexican day laborers. I'm as white as they come but I was illegal once upon a time.
 
rezonator636
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Just want to point out that all illegals aren't necessarily Mexican day laborers. I'm as white as they come but I was illegal once upon a time.

I think Jknock was baiting Prof Dr. Pov into exposing his greatest fears, that being of "illegals" voting (defined by the professor as anybody voting who "looks" illegal). Sounds like u are safe.
 
povol
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You ......., we are two and three generations down the line and yes they are voting, along with dead people and legal voters who vote in 2=3 different states 



Im curious, Dr Professor Kropovol, why you decided to become a climate change scientist. Was your first choice of major, southern change and then you found out there's no such thing as southern change?

Maybe you are too busy memorizing your Bible otherwise known as Hondas rule book and your not aware of this, but the United States also has a rulebook called the Constitution. In that rulebook it states that any person born on US soil is automatically a citizen. So to be a 2nd and 3rd generation illegal is impossible.

I know you're having trouble digesting this and i think i know why. When you went to kindergarten in the south the crayons you were given had names on them, The brown crayon color was called illegal.

The black crayons had a different name too.

So mistakenly you Southerners just refer to everything brown as illegal.


I was thinking that with your knowledge and background, You should pitch the idea to Hollywood to star in a remake of Gilligans Island. Think about it. You could cast yourself in the role as the skipper, the professor and the buffoon Gilligan. The Deal may make a better Gilligan, because nobody plays buffoon like him, but he may run off the set if things don't go his way.

I could help you out in writing some episodes.

We could do one about Thurston Howell. He owns the most coconuts on the island and wants more so you can give him breaks so he can get himself more coconuts, Even though you don't have many coconuts yourself.

We could have an episode of you chastising Ginger for being a Hollywood liberal after she adopts some of the islands monkeys.

Since you and Maryanne are like-minded Southerners, we can do an episode where you capture all the islands monkeys, force them to work for free and start a war against all those that believe monkeys should be free.
 
rezonator636
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I'm perfectly fine with the idea of fingerprint and/or retinal scanners in voting areas. By the same token, I'm also for increased gun control measures. Gun control has become a whole other kind of issue now, however, especially given that these fancy new 3-d printers can print functioning guns.
 

Incidentally Rez, you reminded me of an innovation here in California regarding gun user 'identification'.  Its a "smart gun" that uses technology to 'identify' the owner of the gun (or authorized users) which would safety lock the gun if its not being used by its rightful owner.  The parallels are ironic, given we are talking about 'identification' and the exercising of Constitutional rights.  Guess who opposed such "identification" technology... 

 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/us/politics/smart-firearm-draws-wrath-of-the-gun-lobby.html?_r=1

 

Actually, I would think Pov and other gun advocates would be in favor of this, surely it would save more than 17 Republican voters over a 10 year period who otherwise die in gun related accidents.
 
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