Congratulations, Binder!
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Out of Nowhere
Long time since Ekerold and Ballington. Hocking was Rhodesian, sorry, Zimbabwean of course.
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Tennessee
To his credit, he stayed on the bike which the other top riders were unable to do, and as a result, he had a great year but not as dominant as it would appear. There are 3-4 riders in the 16-17 year range that i would pick over him for the future. Another Moto3 lifer who hung around long enough till it fell his way kind of like Danny Kent last year and Tito in Moto2 couple of years ago. Im a firm believer that if you are a future Moto GP championship contender, you will be winning races, getting podiums and contending for top 5 staus by your second year in any of the lower classes.
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Out of Nowhere
Moto3 is not class anyone can dominate unless you can break the draft, which is almost impossible to do. These bikes do not have the power to pull away even with a superior drive out of a corner. Binder did what he needed to do and when he needed to do it. He also rides his bike differently than the others which tells me he's going to be very good in Moto2. The dude is special and I look forward to his progress into MotoGP. Be nice to see him win the 2018 MGP championship on the KTM.
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Out of Nowhere
Why? What particular qualities do they have over Binder? I'd be particularly interested in your appraisal of Quartararo.
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Tennessee
Its not really that different in that respect compared to the 125's. All about corner speed and momentum. I didnt say the kid was no good, i said until he just dominates a series, i dont see him as a GP contender and i dont think he is special. He will have a huge opportunity next year in Moto2 as most of the top riders are moving on. If he is special, he should contend right away
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Its taken him 5 years, thats far to long, the previous 4 seasons he was nowhere in contention. I can't see him doing much in moto2
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unda cheese
So, by the Povol Video Game Rating system, he isn't good enough? Are you forgetting, that with all his wins, he was the only rider good enough to unlock the Bouncing Fish mini game?
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A caravan on an island
Its taken him 5 years, thats far to long, the previous 4 seasons he was nowhere in contention. I can't see him doing much in moto2
I know it's a long time but I think his first win from the back of the grid in sunny conditions gave him that spark he needed, in all but 3 races he has been on the podium and contending for the win.
It's such a marked difference from his 1st 4 seasons and I believe he'll carry on to greater things.
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Tennessee
YOUTH, YOUTH and more YOUTH. They are all 3 years younger than Binder and have speed. Quartararo made a mistake changing teams this year plus i think he is a little gunshy from a bad injury but the talent is undeniable.
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NJ
I'd also argue that success even early on from the get-go is not necessarily a guarantor of future performance. Look no further than the career arc of one Marco Melandri who met all of the criteria you look for. He did win 5 GP races, but found himself simply incapable of riding the Desmosedici in the ultimate test of ability. He had success in GP early on before flaming out. But if you had to make a prediction of where he would go after viewing his 125cc and 250cc success at the end of 2002, a world championship in GP wasn't an outlandish claim to make, and was probably to be expected...till it wasn't.
Moto3 and Moto2 success is definitely a good sign, but to say a rider is not worthy by virtue of only being 21? I can't agree with that. I'm willing to concede that winning the Moto3 title might turn out to be the peak of his career. But, it also might not be. I certainly hope it's not as it's been fun to watch him progress the way he has, even if he is "old".
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I'd like Enea to do more he has at times shown himself capable, but then he goes and spoils it the following race by making stupid errors.
IMO if you can keep up with the dominant racer of the season, it would be better to stay behind and watch what he does regardless of if you could win.
IMO if you can keep up with the dominant racer of the season, it would be better to stay behind and watch what he does regardless of if you could win.
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Out of Nowhere
Three years younger than Binder and have speed you say. Not sure what point you are making here. They are far from the finished product...perhaps because they are three years younger. In fact you are never the finished product in this game which is iterative in its nature. You never stop learning, evolving, adapting - that's prototype racing. There's a whole list of young riders that 'had speed' - similar speed to Quatararo, Canet and Bugela, some more so. All similar riders, all youthful - went on to achieve little.
Indeed the talent is undeniable - Fabio's style is practically indistinguishable from Redding who had won a GP by the age of 15 and who you now don't rate.
Neither is Binder's talent undeniable and his has appreciably more in the way of racecraft, finesse, and rider intelligence that any of the three that you have mentioned. Perhaps that will come to them in time. Binder has exhibited the qualities that you would look for in a MotoGp rider elect. As have many before and many since. That's all anyone is suggesting. To me, the three you mentioned stand out no more than say the likes of Hector Barbera at a comparable age when he was mentored by Aspar and substantially less than a seventeen year old Alex Márquez in 2013. He of course went on to win the title the following year and he still had youth, youth, youth! - Moto2, remind me, how did that go?
Of the riders you mentioned - Bulega perhaps may make inroads into GP and win races...but that's equally to do with the VR on the back of his leathers as much as talent.
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Tennessee
In bike racing , the years between 15-20 is when a rider usually shows the progression that determines if he is special or not. Most if not all of the greats dont get stuck in lower classes for 4-5 years, they come in, ride at the front and move on. Like i said, i didnt say the guy sucks, im saying i dont think he is special, just like i dont think Zarco is special even if he goes back to back. I have reservations about Rins as well as he has shown that he is more of a points racer than a racer at heart.
