Great job Pedrosa at taking your home race. A flawless ride in front of thousands of adoring fans and countrymen. But seriously what the hell is wrong with him? He looked about as excited as someone that just found out both their parents had been killed. Do they keep him in a box like the gimp when he isn't racing? I really want to like him, I appreciate his riding skills, but the guys never seems like he is having any fun. For crying out loud man, you just won a GP, show some emotion. Why do people like Rossi? Because he is real. He is despondent when he loses and overjoyed when he wins, he is human.
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He looked pretty happy to me!!
Can't win can he ..... he rides a cut above erverone else and some loons out there want a show as well
Dani Pedrosa is currently number 1 in the ranks of motogp riders ..... he's got quite a few points up on the next guy. I think the way Dani is more like the behaviour of a champion ... besides its him .... thats what you get.
You should watch more TV theres lots of showmen on there ..... try a cabaret show or two
Can't win can he ..... he rides a cut above erverone else and some loons out there want a show as well
Dani Pedrosa is currently number 1 in the ranks of motogp riders ..... he's got quite a few points up on the next guy. I think the way Dani is more like the behaviour of a champion ... besides its him .... thats what you get.
You should watch more TV theres lots of showmen on there ..... try a cabaret show or two
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Mar 31 2008, 04:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Great job Pedrosa at taking your home race. A flawless ride in front of thousands of adoring fans and countrymen. But seriously what the hell is wrong with him? He looked about as excited as someone that just found out both their parents had been killed. Do they keep him in a box like the gimp when he isn't racing? I really want to like him, I appreciate his riding skills, but the guys never seems like he is having any fun. For crying out loud man, you just won a GP, show some emotion.
you are joking right?
the only bit where he wasnt smiling was the press conference. he even had a grin on his face when the king of spain put his hand on lorenzo's!
you are joking right?
the only bit where he wasnt smiling was the press conference. he even had a grin on his face when the king of spain put his hand on lorenzo's!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bootsakah @ Mar 31 2008, 04:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Why do people like Rossi? Because he is real.
Thats debatable. The Rossi we see is a showman, he is always concious of his image, his popularity and his PR. That great because he's so entertaining, everyone is excited by him and wants to see more. This could be the "real" Rossi, but it could also be the manufactured persona he uses to increase his success. Dani gets on with it in his own way and that way could just as easily be the "real" Dani as it could be his race face. Everyone critisizes Dani for not being a clown, but when someone like Lorenzo shows a bit of character they get shot down for wishing they were Rossi.
Thats debatable. The Rossi we see is a showman, he is always concious of his image, his popularity and his PR. That great because he's so entertaining, everyone is excited by him and wants to see more. This could be the "real" Rossi, but it could also be the manufactured persona he uses to increase his success. Dani gets on with it in his own way and that way could just as easily be the "real" Dani as it could be his race face. Everyone critisizes Dani for not being a clown, but when someone like Lorenzo shows a bit of character they get shot down for wishing they were Rossi.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 31 2008, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Thats debatable. The Rossi we see is a showman, he is always concious of his image, his popularity and his PR. That great because he's so entertaining, everyone is excited by him and wants to see more. This could be the "real" Rossi, but it could also be the manufactured persona he uses to increase his success. Dani gets on with it in his own way and that way could just as easily be the "real" Dani as it could be his race face. Everyone critisizes Dani for not being a clown, but when someone like Lorenzo shows a bit of character they get shot down for wishing they were Rossi.
When it comes to showing feelings I suspect that few if anyone in the paddock does it better. The way you express them are a reflection of your personality. Of course he is a showman but that IS his personality not a PR invented stunt that he just perform. That's the real thing presented in a funny way. Hell, the best vitory stunts were invented late at night over a bear with good friends.
You may call it concious but hardly in the meaning calculated or manufatured. Rather as a the joy or iritation he want to share with everyone else.
Pedrosa don't want to share anything and the MotoGP fans doesn't like that. I agree with you that it's his choise to make but he is paying the price. I'm of the few (it seems) that respect his choise and don't think he deserves all the .... he is getting at places like here, but you take it too far when you say everyone ciritsizes him for not being a clown. I think it has been well expressed here at the forum: Show some excitement and happines when you win the race. That's not the same as being a clown. As for Lorenzo, well that also reflect his personality but it's a bit to much like a "Cecar" show. His whole attitude and the way he express it doesnt look as it is about pure joy and excitment but more like a demonstration of invincibility.
When it comes to showing feelings I suspect that few if anyone in the paddock does it better. The way you express them are a reflection of your personality. Of course he is a showman but that IS his personality not a PR invented stunt that he just perform. That's the real thing presented in a funny way. Hell, the best vitory stunts were invented late at night over a bear with good friends.
You may call it concious but hardly in the meaning calculated or manufatured. Rather as a the joy or iritation he want to share with everyone else.
Pedrosa don't want to share anything and the MotoGP fans doesn't like that. I agree with you that it's his choise to make but he is paying the price. I'm of the few (it seems) that respect his choise and don't think he deserves all the .... he is getting at places like here, but you take it too far when you say everyone ciritsizes him for not being a clown. I think it has been well expressed here at the forum: Show some excitement and happines when you win the race. That's not the same as being a clown. As for Lorenzo, well that also reflect his personality but it's a bit to much like a "Cecar" show. His whole attitude and the way he express it doesnt look as it is about pure joy and excitment but more like a demonstration of invincibility.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 31 2008, 07:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Dani Pedrosa is currently number 1 in the ranks of motogp riders ..... he's got quite a few points up on the next guy.
A whopping 5 points!!!!
A whopping 5 points!!!!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 31 2008, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>When it comes to showing feelings I suspect that few if anyone in the paddock does it better. The way you express them are a reflection of your personality. Of course he is a showman but that IS his personality not a PR invented stunt that he just perform. That's the real thing presented in a funny way. Hell, the best vitory stunts were invented late at night over a bear with good friends.
You may call it concious but hardly in the meaning calculated or manufatured. Rather as a the joy or iritation he want to share with everyone else.
Pedrosa don't want to share anything and the MotoGP fans doesn't like that. I agree with you that it's his choise to make but he is paying the price. I'm of the few (it seems) that respect his choise and don't think he deserves all the .... he is getting at places like here, but you take it too far when you say everyone ciritsizes him for not being a clown. I think it has been well expressed here at the forum: Show some excitement and happines when you win the race. That's not the same as being a clown. As for Lorenzo, well that also reflect his personality but it's a bit to much like a "Cecar" show. His whole attitude and the way he express it doesnt look as it is about pure joy and excitment but more like a demonstration of invincibility.
So you belive that Rossi is totally genuine and that Dani is holding back all the time?
You may call it concious but hardly in the meaning calculated or manufatured. Rather as a the joy or iritation he want to share with everyone else.
Pedrosa don't want to share anything and the MotoGP fans doesn't like that. I agree with you that it's his choise to make but he is paying the price. I'm of the few (it seems) that respect his choise and don't think he deserves all the .... he is getting at places like here, but you take it too far when you say everyone ciritsizes him for not being a clown. I think it has been well expressed here at the forum: Show some excitement and happines when you win the race. That's not the same as being a clown. As for Lorenzo, well that also reflect his personality but it's a bit to much like a "Cecar" show. His whole attitude and the way he express it doesnt look as it is about pure joy and excitment but more like a demonstration of invincibility.
So you belive that Rossi is totally genuine and that Dani is holding back all the time?
its called humility.. try it one day.
he knows its a long season. he wants the WC not race wins.
hayden on the other hand winning a race would pretty much mean he secure in his job for another 2 years. thats his race wins to year on motogp ratio going so far LOL
he knows its a long season. he wants the WC not race wins.
hayden on the other hand winning a race would pretty much mean he secure in his job for another 2 years. thats his race wins to year on motogp ratio going so far LOL
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 31 2008, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>So you belive that Rossi is totally genuine and that Dani is holding back all the time?
I think Rossi is quite genuine, yes. I think you grossly overrate the organization around riders and therby asuming that he must have had a huge PR department around him, instead of the reality - bear drinking friends. Things probably isn't like that all the time these days but it was when his public personality were noticed and for years after.
Dani is holding back when he is holding back or maybe he doesn't have any feelings. I don't know, and I don't care. I don't have an opinion on that, but what ever he does most people doesn't like that he show as little emotion as he does. Personally I couldn't care less. Let him play it the way he wants.
I think Rossi is quite genuine, yes. I think you grossly overrate the organization around riders and therby asuming that he must have had a huge PR department around him, instead of the reality - bear drinking friends. Things probably isn't like that all the time these days but it was when his public personality were noticed and for years after.
Dani is holding back when he is holding back or maybe he doesn't have any feelings. I don't know, and I don't care. I don't have an opinion on that, but what ever he does most people doesn't like that he show as little emotion as he does. Personally I couldn't care less. Let him play it the way he wants.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 31 2008, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think Rossi is quite genuine, yes. I think you grossly overrate the organization around riders and therby asuming that he must have had a huge PR department around him, instead of the reality - bear drinking friends. Things probably isn't like that all the time these days but it was when his public personality were noticed and for years after.
Dani is holding back when he is holding back or maybe he doesn't have any feelings. I don't know, and I don't care. I don't have an opinion on that, but what ever he does most people doesn't like that he show as little emotion as he does. Personally I couldn't care less. Let him play it the way he wants.
I don't think Rossi necessarily has a PR department telling him what to do, but i think he is very clever in creating his own image in the sport. I think it rediculous for people to say they like Rossi because he is more real then the other riders, when in fact we only ever see what he wants us to see just as with all the other riders. That is a massive double standard, i think caused by the fact that Rossi has sold his image better than anyone else.
Dani is holding back when he is holding back or maybe he doesn't have any feelings. I don't know, and I don't care. I don't have an opinion on that, but what ever he does most people doesn't like that he show as little emotion as he does. Personally I couldn't care less. Let him play it the way he wants.
I don't think Rossi necessarily has a PR department telling him what to do, but i think he is very clever in creating his own image in the sport. I think it rediculous for people to say they like Rossi because he is more real then the other riders, when in fact we only ever see what he wants us to see just as with all the other riders. That is a massive double standard, i think caused by the fact that Rossi has sold his image better than anyone else.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 31 2008, 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I don't think Rossi necessarily has a PR department telling him what to do, but i think he is very clever in creating his own image in the sport. I think it rediculous for people to say they like Rossi because he is more real then the other riders, when in fact we only ever see what he wants us to see just as with all the other riders. That is a massive double standard, i think caused by the fact that Rossi has sold his image better than anyone else.
Sure, a 17 year old kid entering the circus of MotoGP and find it far to serious for his liking carefully planned and created his image! If so it seems to me that you give him far more credit than anyone else.
Sure, a 17 year old kid entering the circus of MotoGP and find it far to serious for his liking carefully planned and created his image! If so it seems to me that you give him far more credit than anyone else.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pinky @ Mar 31 2008, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>its called humility.. try it one day.
he knows its a long season. he wants the WC not race wins.
hayden on the other hand winning a race would pretty much mean he secure in his job for another 2 years. thats his race wins to year on motogp ratio going so far LOL
Oh wow.
Pot. Kettle. Black
he knows its a long season. he wants the WC not race wins.
hayden on the other hand winning a race would pretty much mean he secure in his job for another 2 years. thats his race wins to year on motogp ratio going so far LOL
Oh wow.
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Maybe we need a thread asking for ideas for "cellebrations" for Dani when he wins to appease those who love the "fairytale" side of motogp
Or maybe we can insist that Dorna provide a PR coach to change his personality to become more the real Dani that our fairtytale requires!!??
Crazy!! ....... the guy just won a GP and is leading the WC .... and some folk are whinging he didn't put on a free pantomine
How about this .... we go back to the days of Doohan and make him re-enact his wins and provide a little dance for us ....... or Shwantz, or Hailwood .....
can't some of you folk see that not everyone carries on like the "fairytale panto" set
and its weird to see it ........ pretty corny at best
I don't see Pedrosa as the "cornball" personality .... why do you guys want him to change?
Or maybe we can insist that Dorna provide a PR coach to change his personality to become more the real Dani that our fairtytale requires!!??
Crazy!! ....... the guy just won a GP and is leading the WC .... and some folk are whinging he didn't put on a free pantomine
How about this .... we go back to the days of Doohan and make him re-enact his wins and provide a little dance for us ....... or Shwantz, or Hailwood .....
can't some of you folk see that not everyone carries on like the "fairytale panto" set
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Babelfish @ Mar 31 2008, 01:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>Sure, a 17 year old kid entering the circus of MotoGP and find it far to serious for his liking carefully planned and created his image! If so it seems to me that you give him far more credit than anyone else.
I think the riders develop their PR skills as they mature in the paddoock, and i think Dani is an intelligent man, similar to many of the other riders. Rossi is special because his persona captures more peoples's hearts, not because he is the only one being "real".
I think the riders develop their PR skills as they mature in the paddoock, and i think Dani is an intelligent man, similar to many of the other riders. Rossi is special because his persona captures more peoples's hearts, not because he is the only one being "real".
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BarryMachine @ Mar 31 2008, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>why do you guys want him to change?
that is the million dollar question, surely it would get really annoying if everyone was like rossi or lorenzo etc. its good to have a mix
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 31 2008, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think the riders develop their PR skills as they mature in the paddoock, and i think Dani is an intelligent man, similar to many of the other riders. Rossi is special because his persona captures more peoples's hearts, not because he is the only one being "real".
bingo!
that is the million dollar question, surely it would get really annoying if everyone was like rossi or lorenzo etc. its good to have a mix
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 31 2008, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think the riders develop their PR skills as they mature in the paddoock, and i think Dani is an intelligent man, similar to many of the other riders. Rossi is special because his persona captures more peoples's hearts, not because he is the only one being "real".
bingo!
People should stop complaining about Pedrosa's attitude. There's nothing wrong with him. He's no Rossi, but so many aren't. I like Rossi because he's a great rider, and his crazy attitude is more a bonus, I don't like him because of that. I also like Dani, he's on of my favourite rides, and I like him because he's just good at what he does, riding a bike!!
Dani is probably as much ''real'' as Rossi, they just have different characters, what's the big deal?? So he doesn't jump up and down and act silly when he won...soooo?? He's in Moto to win, and of course he's happy when he won, he shows it in his own way, and yesterday he was happy, maybe you should look better.
Dani is probably as much ''real'' as Rossi, they just have different characters, what's the big deal?? So he doesn't jump up and down and act silly when he won...soooo?? He's in Moto to win, and of course he's happy when he won, he shows it in his own way, and yesterday he was happy, maybe you should look better.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tom @ Mar 31 2008, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><div class='quotemain'>I think the riders develop their PR skills as they mature in the paddoock, and i think Dani is an intelligent man, similar to many of the other riders. Rossi is special because his persona captures more peoples's hearts, not because he is the only one being "real".
I can agree to that, and I sure doesn't hope everyone turn out to be like Rossi of his copy cat, but when others complain about pedrosa I guess they find it more then a little strange that he can sit totally serious without a smile on the press conference. It doesn't matter if it's real or not as long as it doesn't appear real to others. As I said before I couldn't care less, but others dooesn't agree and of course that cost him in popularity and goodwill and that again probably worry the sponsors.
Some here (not you) seems to live under the illusion that this is all about the fastest and best rider, and that public appeal is something that is totally irelevant for the riders. Nothing could be more wrong.
I can agree to that, and I sure doesn't hope everyone turn out to be like Rossi of his copy cat, but when others complain about pedrosa I guess they find it more then a little strange that he can sit totally serious without a smile on the press conference. It doesn't matter if it's real or not as long as it doesn't appear real to others. As I said before I couldn't care less, but others dooesn't agree and of course that cost him in popularity and goodwill and that again probably worry the sponsors.
Some here (not you) seems to live under the illusion that this is all about the fastest and best rider, and that public appeal is something that is totally irelevant for the riders. Nothing could be more wrong.
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The whole serious think works a bit better when you're not comically child-like. A serious normal-sized guy with less adolescent features might come across as a bit evil or intimidating or something. With Dani it's more like he crapped his diaper or something. If he had the appearance to better play the role of "evil rider" or somesuch the whole serious thing would probably be perceived a bit differently.
I'm never going to hold a serious approach against someone. Different people concentrate and focus in different ways. The lack of obvious emotion may certainly seem really weird at times, but we've all got our own personal quirks. I don't particularly care for the guy, heck I even dislike him, but there's a lot more to that than how wide his smile is when he wins.
I'm never going to hold a serious approach against someone. Different people concentrate and focus in different ways. The lack of obvious emotion may certainly seem really weird at times, but we've all got our own personal quirks. I don't particularly care for the guy, heck I even dislike him, but there's a lot more to that than how wide his smile is when he wins.
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